Currently our 2025 first round pick is....
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With all eyes on Mendoza, I wanted to know what makes the machine go.
His LT - Carter Smith
His C - Pat Coogan
Really standing out to me.
I wondered who you might like in the IU trenches. Coogan transferred from Notre Dame. Do you think Smith has the feet to stick at OT or is he another “might be better as a Guard” guy?
I wondered who you might like in the IU trenches. Coogan transferred from Notre Dame. Do you think Smith has the feet to stick at OT or is he another “might be better as a Guard” guy?
Building my QB, OL & WR viewing list for this off-season including the website work. So far, my thoughts are from just watching live and some sky cam replays. So a bit "rough draft-ish"... but early impressions on his arch step are solid.
Myself, @flugel...possibly @dutch-oven (and anyone else that's willing to join) will be tagging along with me for some film review for OTs on my RunThe9 channel either tonight or tomorrow.
I'll give you an expanded review once I've charted more snaps for Smith.
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It should be interesting to see how he does against Miami's edge Reuben Bain,Jr and or others along their DL.
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So we can’t fix this unless we reach for a left tackle at 6?
I say reach because it appears the left tackle prospects aren’t Top 10 material.I'm not trying to be obnoxious here; unfortunately, that comes more easily than I'd like it to sometimes. Okay, so I'm feeling like I'm trying to sell tanning beds in the tropics here. No worries, I love every DAMN 1 of yuz. I just want to challenge our collective minds here to dig deeper on what's stopping the show via our personnel on the field aside from any coaches you feel are responsible. In particular, what position(s) are doing that so I'll try to guide you here. If you're not interested - I understand...
What's the most important position in an NFL Offense today? If you don't have 1 before the draft - do you reach to get 1 in a very limited supply for a big demand? Why or why not?
What other position(s) do you protect this investment best from on the field? If you don't have one or two do you reach if there's a limited supply of this/these position(s)? If not, could trading back a little for an additional pick or 2 help us out?
I'm not trying to be obnoxious here; unfortunately, that comes more easily than I'd like it to sometimes. Okay, so I'm feeling like I'm trying to sell tanning beds in the tropics here. No worries, I love every DAMN 1 of yuz. I just want to challenge our collective minds here to dig deeper on what's stopping the show via our personnel on the field aside from any coaches you feel are responsible. In particular, what position(s) are doing that so I'll try to guide you here. If you're not interested - I understand...
What's the most important position in an NFL Offense today? If you don't have 1 before the draft - do you reach to get 1 in a very limited supply for a big demand? Why or why not?
What other position(s) do you protect this investment best from on the field? If you don't have one or two do you reach if there's a limited supply of this/these position(s)? If not, could trading back a little for an additional pick or 2 help us out?
Follow me.I’ll humor you…Two most important components of football in 2026 1. The passer 2. Affecting the Passer (getting after him and protecting him.
We partially agree but we have a core difference. I agree we are bad because we can’t block and we can’t catch the football and sometimes we can’t throw the ball. And I’ve said a few days ago we are repeatedly in this cycle not just because of the things mentioned above but because we repeatedly fumble the gift we are given over and over again picking at or near the top of the draft. You take elite talent I say gold jacket type talent at or near 6 overall. If there is a tackle that emerges as gold jacket type talent that should be the tiebreaker between say Caleb Downs and unknown elite tackle. Take Elite talent over good talent. Even if good talent quenches the largest thirst.
Having said all this in different way again. I said Downs at 6…but maximizing positional value of picking at 6 I wouldn’t take a WR, QB or OT but I’d trade back and grab preferably a tackle may consider a WR.
where did we draft Bitonio? Where did Buffalo draft Teller? Mitchell Schwartz wasn’t too shabby where was he drafted?
If we need a center sometimes it isn’t wise to force it and take a cam Irving or tackle and take Jed Wills.
The draft can still be heavily (and it should) invested in OT, G and WR spots
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It should be interesting to see how he does against Miami's edge Reuben Bain,Jr and or others along their DL.
It should be interesting to see how he does against Miami's edge Reuben Bain,Jr and or others along their DL.
Bain is a problem now and likely next season at the next level. Knock is he’s compact short arms but the burst and violence with hands - he’s good. I’m going to upset too many people in here but having a Meh attitude to what I’ve seen from WRs and Oline prospects at the top of the draft. Hes entering Downs territory for me.
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I'm not trying to be obnoxious here; unfortunately, that comes more easily than I'd like it to sometimes. Okay, so I'm feeling like I'm trying to sell tanning beds in the tropics here. No worries, I love every DAMN 1 of yuz. I just want to challenge our collective minds here to dig deeper on what's stopping the show via our personnel on the field aside from any coaches you feel are responsible. In particular, what position(s) are doing that so I'll try to guide you here. If you're not interested - I understand...
What's the most important position in an NFL Offense today? If you don't have 1 before the draft - do you reach to get 1 in a very limited supply for a big demand? Why or why not?
What other position(s) do you protect this investment best from on the field? If you don't have one or two do you reach if there's a limited supply of this/these position(s)? If not, could trading back a little for an additional pick or 2 help us out?
Follow me.I’ll humor you…Two most important components of football in 2026 1. The passer 2. Affecting the Passer (getting after him and protecting him.
We partially agree but we have a core difference. I agree we are bad because we can’t block and we can’t catch the football and sometimes we can’t throw the ball. And I’ve said a few days ago we are repeatedly in this cycle not just because of the things mentioned above but because we repeatedly fumble the gift we are given over and over again picking at or near the top of the draft. You take elite talent I say gold jacket type talent at or near 6 overall. If there is a tackle that emerges as gold jacket type talent that should be the tiebreaker between say Caleb Downs and unknown elite tackle. Take Elite talent over good talent. Even if good talent quenches the largest thirst.
Having said all this in different way again. I said Downs at 6…but maximizing positional value of picking at 6 I wouldn’t take a WR, QB or OT but I’d trade back and grab preferably a tackle may consider a WR.
where did we draft Bitonio? Where did Buffalo draft Teller? Mitchell Schwartz wasn’t too shabby where was he drafted?
If we need a center sometimes it isn’t wise to force it and take a cam Irving or tackle and take Jed Wills.
The draft can still be heavily (and it should) invested in OT, G and WR spots
Follow me.I’ll humor you…Two most important components of football in 2026 1. The passer 2. Affecting the Passer (getting after him and protecting him.
We partially agree but we have a core difference. I agree we are bad because we can’t block and we can’t catch the football and sometimes we can’t throw the ball. And I’ve said a few days ago we are repeatedly in this cycle not just because of the things mentioned above but because we repeatedly fumble the gift we are given over and over again picking at or near the top of the draft. You take elite talent I say gold jacket type talent at or near 6 overall. If there is a tackle that emerges as gold jacket type talent that should be the tiebreaker between say Caleb Downs and unknown elite tackle. Take Elite talent over good talent. Even if good talent quenches the largest thirst.
Having said all this in different way again. I said Downs at 6…but maximizing positional value of picking at 6 I wouldn’t take a WR, QB or OT but I’d trade back and grab preferably a tackle may consider a WR.
where did we draft Bitonio? Where did Buffalo draft Teller? Mitchell Schwartz wasn’t too shabby where was he drafted?
If we need a center sometimes it isn’t wise to force it and take a cam Irving or tackle and take Jed Wills.
The draft can still be heavily (and it should) invested in OT, G and WR spots
Thanks! Nice job with clarifying where you are coming from on this.
We're still going differ on what needs to happen with our 1st pick overall; and it is mostly due to the tiny supply of LTs in this draft. It's no secret that a limited supply on a big demand of certain positions often has us watching a run on those positions that puts BPA in the back seat until that run is over. We see it almost every year. IMO, this draft won't be any different so if a team wants any of these LTs: Caleb Lomu (Utah) or Carter Smith (Indiana) or Trevor Goosby (Texas) or Isaiah World (Oregon) or Austin Barber (Florida) or Kadyn Proctor (Alabama) and I know I missed 1 or 2 - they better grab their guy quickly. The following guys some sites are listing/leading people to believe they're LTs but only played RT in 2025 are Ben Miller (Clemson), Spencer Fano (Utah), Gennings Dunker (Iowa) so make sure you double-check these guys.
Now to answer your questions. The Browns drafted Nevada Tackle (Bitonio) to play Guard in round 2 at the 35th overall pick (and he's frequented Pro Bowls). Teller is an OG that Dorsey made a trade with Buffalo to acquire and he has also frequented Pro Bowls here. Schwartz was a RT they drafted in upper 2nd round at #37 overall. Joe Thomas was drafted at #3 overall - he was drafted to play LT here so he went very high being the best one in his draft class. After starting his career with a 10-6 record in Cleveland he made the Pro Bowl 10 consecutive years and landed in the HOF. Now for the Alabama RT the Browns drafted at #10 overall to play LT here - he actually had a solid rookie year and the Browns went to the playoffs with an 11-5 record and beat Pittsburgh. After that season, he had nagging injuries and just never looked like he returned with any desire or passion to continue to build on the rookie season. That picked turned out to be a stinker - especially knowing Tampa drafted Wirfs at #13 overall. (I already provided how many Pro Bowls he made at Right Tackle & Left Tackle as well Super Bowls/playoffs played in earlier in this thread). The team that did it's homework on OTs got the better guy 3 spots after the unnecessary knee jerk from the Browns.
When the Buckeyes got dominated by Miami on the line of scrimmage - did the greatness of Caleb Downs matter more to the outcome of that game than the line of scrimmage? That line of scrimmage was so disruptive Justin Sayin threw 2 INTs, was sacked 5 times and pressured all night. None of that is a knock on Caleb because I agree he's a great player and what that dynamic at Safety can do for the secondary; HOWEVER it's a reality that nothing else matters if you can't block on the line of scrimmage. That said, when you can reliably block for the running game or protect a passer you can help control time of possession and with scoring points in the process. This allows our defense to rest more than it was able to in 2024 and 2025. I'm sticking with getting our 2 Tackles and WR within our 1st 3 picks then going BPA the rest of the draft.
If the OT positions don't get upgraded - we're used to disappointing offense in Cleveland so at least we'll be very experienced watching the inevitable pretending maybe next year 1 more time...
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I'm not trying to be obnoxious here; unfortunately, that comes more easily than I'd like it to sometimes. Okay, so I'm feeling like I'm trying to sell tanning beds in the tropics here. No worries, I love every DAMN 1 of yuz. I just want to challenge our collective minds here to dig deeper on what's stopping the show via our personnel on the field aside from any coaches you feel are responsible. In particular, what position(s) are doing that so I'll try to guide you here. If you're not interested - I understand...
What's the most important position in an NFL Offense today? If you don't have 1 before the draft - do you reach to get 1 in a very limited supply for a big demand? Why or why not?
What other position(s) do you protect this investment best from on the field? If you don't have one or two do you reach if there's a limited supply of this/these position(s)? If not, could trading back a little for an additional pick or 2 help us out?
Follow me.I’ll humor you…Two most important components of football in 2026 1. The passer 2. Affecting the Passer (getting after him and protecting him.
We partially agree but we have a core difference. I agree we are bad because we can’t block and we can’t catch the football and sometimes we can’t throw the ball. And I’ve said a few days ago we are repeatedly in this cycle not just because of the things mentioned above but because we repeatedly fumble the gift we are given over and over again picking at or near the top of the draft. You take elite talent I say gold jacket type talent at or near 6 overall. If there is a tackle that emerges as gold jacket type talent that should be the tiebreaker between say Caleb Downs and unknown elite tackle. Take Elite talent over good talent. Even if good talent quenches the largest thirst.
Having said all this in different way again. I said Downs at 6…but maximizing positional value of picking at 6 I wouldn’t take a WR, QB or OT but I’d trade back and grab preferably a tackle may consider a WR.
where did we draft Bitonio? Where did Buffalo draft Teller? Mitchell Schwartz wasn’t too shabby where was he drafted?
If we need a center sometimes it isn’t wise to force it and take a cam Irving or tackle and take Jed Wills.
The draft can still be heavily (and it should) invested in OT, G and WR spots
Follow me.
I’ll humor you…Two most important components of football in 2026 1. The passer 2. Affecting the Passer (getting after him and protecting him.
...and there you have it. Modern NFL football in a nutshell. Said by Joe Banner years ago, Pass & Rush The Passer.
We've got that Rush The Passer thing going...but we struggle passing. Because we have too many things Affecting the Passer. With pick 6 we need the best OLineman or WR avaiable. The two worst position groups in the league. Addressing any other position will not change the W/L record and thus will not be making the 'team' any better. MHO
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Follow me.I’ll humor you…Two most important components of football in 2026 1. The passer 2. Affecting the Passer (getting after him and protecting him.
We partially agree but we have a core difference. I agree we are bad because we can’t block and we can’t catch the football and sometimes we can’t throw the ball. And I’ve said a few days ago we are repeatedly in this cycle not just because of the things mentioned above but because we repeatedly fumble the gift we are given over and over again picking at or near the top of the draft. You take elite talent I say gold jacket type talent at or near 6 overall. If there is a tackle that emerges as gold jacket type talent that should be the tiebreaker between say Caleb Downs and unknown elite tackle. Take Elite talent over good talent. Even if good talent quenches the largest thirst.
Having said all this in different way again. I said Downs at 6…but maximizing positional value of picking at 6 I wouldn’t take a WR, QB or OT but I’d trade back and grab preferably a tackle may consider a WR.
where did we draft Bitonio? Where did Buffalo draft Teller? Mitchell Schwartz wasn’t too shabby where was he drafted?
If we need a center sometimes it isn’t wise to force it and take a cam Irving or tackle and take Jed Wills.
The draft can still be heavily (and it should) invested in OT, G and WR spots
Thanks! Nice job with clarifying where you are coming from on this.
We're still going differ on what needs to happen with our 1st pick overall; and it is mostly due to the tiny supply of LTs in this draft. It's no secret that a limited supply on a big demand of certain positions often has us watching a run on those positions that puts BPA in the back seat until that run is over. We see it almost every year. IMO, this draft won't be any different so if a team wants any of these LTs: Caleb Lomu (Utah) or Carter Smith (Indiana) or Trevor Goosby (Texas) or Isaiah World (Oregon) or Austin Barber (Florida) or Kadyn Proctor (Alabama) and I know I missed 1 or 2 - they better grab their guy quickly. The following guys some sites are listing/leading people to believe they're LTs but only played RT in 2025 are Ben Miller (Clemson), Spencer Fano (Utah), Gennings Dunker (Iowa) so make sure you double-check these guys.
Now to answer your questions. The Browns drafted Nevada Tackle (Bitonio) to play Guard in round 2 at the 35th overall pick (and he's frequented Pro Bowls). Teller is an OG that Dorsey made a trade with Buffalo to acquire and he has also frequented Pro Bowls here. Schwartz was a RT they drafted in upper 2nd round at #37 overall. Joe Thomas was drafted at #3 overall - he was drafted to play LT here so he went very high being the best one in his draft class. After starting his career with a 10-6 record in Cleveland he made the Pro Bowl 10 consecutive years and landed in the HOF. Now for the Alabama RT the Browns drafted at #10 overall to play LT here - he actually had a solid rookie year and the Browns went to the playoffs with an 11-5 record and beat Pittsburgh. After that season, he had nagging injuries and just never looked like he returned with any desire or passion to continue to build on the rookie season. That picked turned out to be a stinker - especially knowing Tampa drafted Wirfs at #13 overall. (I already provided how many Pro Bowls he made at Right Tackle & Left Tackle as well Super Bowls/playoffs played in earlier in this thread). The team that did it's homework on OTs got the better guy 3 spots after the unnecessary knee jerk from the Browns.
When the Buckeyes got dominated by Miami on the line of scrimmage - did the greatness of Caleb Downs matter more to the outcome of that game than the line of scrimmage? That line of scrimmage was so disruptive Justin Sayin threw 2 INTs, was sacked 5 times and pressured all night. None of that is a knock on Caleb because I agree he's a great player and what that dynamic at Safety can do for the secondary; HOWEVER it's a reality that nothing else matters if you can't block on the line of scrimmage. That said, when you can reliably block for the running game or protect a passer you can help control time of possession and with scoring points in the process. This allows our defense to rest more than it was able to in 2024 and 2025. I'm sticking with getting our 2 Tackles and WR within our 1st 3 picks then going BPA the rest of the draft.
If the OT positions don't get upgraded - we're used to disappointing offense in Cleveland so at least we'll be very experienced watching the inevitable pretending maybe next year 1 more time...
Thanks! Nice job with clarifying where you are coming from on this.
We're still going differ on what needs to happen with our 1st pick overall; and it is mostly due to the tiny supply of LTs in this draft. It's no secret that a limited supply on a big demand of certain positions often has us watching a run on those positions that puts BPA in the back seat until that run is over. We see it almost every year. IMO, this draft won't be any different so if a team wants any of these LTs: Caleb Lomu (Utah) or Carter Smith (Indiana) or Trevor Goosby (Texas) or Isaiah World (Oregon) or Austin Barber (Florida) or Kadyn Proctor (Alabama) and I know I missed 1 or 2 - they better grab their guy quickly. The following guys some sites are listing/leading people to believe they're LTs but only played RT in 2025 are Ben Miller (Clemson), Spencer Fano (Utah), Gennings Dunker (Iowa) so make sure you double-check these guys.
Now to answer your questions. The Browns drafted Nevada Tackle (Bitonio) to play Guard in round 2 at the 35th overall pick (and he's frequented Pro Bowls). Teller is an OG that Dorsey made a trade with Buffalo to acquire and he has also frequented Pro Bowls here. Schwartz was a RT they drafted in upper 2nd round at #37 overall. Joe Thomas was drafted at #3 overall - he was drafted to play LT here so he went very high being the best one in his draft class. After starting his career with a 10-6 record in Cleveland he made the Pro Bowl 10 consecutive years and landed in the HOF. Now for the Alabama RT the Browns drafted at #10 overall to play LT here - he actually had a solid rookie year and the Browns went to the playoffs with an 11-5 record and beat Pittsburgh. After that season, he had nagging injuries and just never looked like he returned with any desire or passion to continue to build on the rookie season. That picked turned out to be a stinker - especially knowing Tampa drafted Wirfs at #13 overall. (I already provided how many Pro Bowls he made at Right Tackle & Left Tackle as well Super Bowls/playoffs played in earlier in this thread). The team that did it's homework on OTs got the better guy 3 spots after the unnecessary knee jerk from the Browns.
When the Buckeyes got dominated by Miami on the line of scrimmage - did the greatness of Caleb Downs matter more to the outcome of that game than the line of scrimmage? That line of scrimmage was so disruptive Justin Sayin threw 2 INTs, was sacked 5 times and pressured all night. None of that is a knock on Caleb because I agree he's a great player and what that dynamic at Safety can do for the secondary; HOWEVER it's a reality that nothing else matters if you can't block on the line of scrimmage. That said, when you can reliably block for the running game or protect a passer you can help control time of possession and with scoring points in the process. This allows our defense to rest more than it was able to in 2024 and 2025. I'm sticking with getting our 2 Tackles and WR within our 1st 3 picks then going BPA the rest of the draft.
If the OT positions don't get upgraded - we're used to disappointing offense in Cleveland so at least we'll be very experienced watching the inevitable pretending maybe next year 1 more time...
...and there you have it. Modern NFL football in a nutshell. Said by Joe Banner years ago, Pass & Rush The Passer.
We've got that Rush The Passer thing going...but we struggle passing. Because we have too many things Affecting the Passer. With pick 6 we need the best OLineman or WR avaiable. The two worst position groups in the league. Addressing any other position will not change the W/L record and thus will not be making the 'team' any better. MHO
You can fix the problem without picking the OT at 6. I’m trying to say this but is coming off as nonsense?
You guys are hellbent on picking a prospect that might be 18 or 20 on most boards because we need it.
For instance you can trade back increase your assets for 27 when we may need a passer. Or add some draft pieces to increase the depth at OT, G and WR in Day 2.
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Follow me.
I’ll humor you…Two most important components of football in 2026 1. The passer 2. Affecting the Passer (getting after him and protecting him.
...and there you have it. Modern NFL football in a nutshell. Said by Joe Banner years ago, Pass & Rush The Passer.
We've got that Rush The Passer thing going...but we struggle passing. Because we have too many things Affecting the Passer. With pick 6 we need the best OLineman or WR avaiable. The two worst position groups in the league. Addressing any other position will not change the W/L record and thus will not be making the 'team' any better. MHO
...and there you have it. Modern NFL football in a nutshell. Said by Joe Banner years ago, Pass & Rush The Passer.
We've got that Rush The Passer thing going...but we struggle passing. Because we have too many things Affecting the Passer. With pick 6 we need the best OLineman or WR avaiable. The two worst position groups in the league. Addressing any other position will not change the W/L record and thus will not be making the 'team' any better. MHO
Agree with the part in bold
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Thanks! Nice job with clarifying where you are coming from on this.
We're still going differ on what needs to happen with our 1st pick overall; and it is mostly due to the tiny supply of LTs in this draft. It's no secret that a limited supply on a big demand of certain positions often has us watching a run on those positions that puts BPA in the back seat until that run is over. We see it almost every year. IMO, this draft won't be any different so if a team wants any of these LTs: Caleb Lomu (Utah) or Carter Smith (Indiana) or Trevor Goosby (Texas) or Isaiah World (Oregon) or Austin Barber (Florida) or Kadyn Proctor (Alabama) and I know I missed 1 or 2 - they better grab their guy quickly. The following guys some sites are listing/leading people to believe they're LTs but only played RT in 2025 are Ben Miller (Clemson), Spencer Fano (Utah), Gennings Dunker (Iowa) so make sure you double-check these guys.
Now to answer your questions. The Browns drafted Nevada Tackle (Bitonio) to play Guard in round 2 at the 35th overall pick (and he's frequented Pro Bowls). Teller is an OG that Dorsey made a trade with Buffalo to acquire and he has also frequented Pro Bowls here. Schwartz was a RT they drafted in upper 2nd round at #37 overall. Joe Thomas was drafted at #3 overall - he was drafted to play LT here so he went very high being the best one in his draft class. After starting his career with a 10-6 record in Cleveland he made the Pro Bowl 10 consecutive years and landed in the HOF. Now for the Alabama RT the Browns drafted at #10 overall to play LT here - he actually had a solid rookie year and the Browns went to the playoffs with an 11-5 record and beat Pittsburgh. After that season, he had nagging injuries and just never looked like he returned with any desire or passion to continue to build on the rookie season. That picked turned out to be a stinker - especially knowing Tampa drafted Wirfs at #13 overall. (I already provided how many Pro Bowls he made at Right Tackle & Left Tackle as well Super Bowls/playoffs played in earlier in this thread). The team that did it's homework on OTs got the better guy 3 spots after the unnecessary knee jerk from the Browns.
When the Buckeyes got dominated by Miami on the line of scrimmage - did the greatness of Caleb Downs matter more to the outcome of that game than the line of scrimmage? That line of scrimmage was so disruptive Justin Sayin threw 2 INTs, was sacked 5 times and pressured all night. None of that is a knock on Caleb because I agree he's a great player and what that dynamic at Safety can do for the secondary; HOWEVER it's a reality that nothing else matters if you can't block on the line of scrimmage. That said, when you can reliably block for the running game or protect a passer you can help control time of possession and with scoring points in the process. This allows our defense to rest more than it was able to in 2024 and 2025. I'm sticking with getting our 2 Tackles and WR within our 1st 3 picks then going BPA the rest of the draft.
If the OT positions don't get upgraded - we're used to disappointing offense in Cleveland so at least we'll be very experienced watching the inevitable pretending maybe next year 1 more time...
...and there you have it. Modern NFL football in a nutshell. Said by Joe Banner years ago, Pass & Rush The Passer.
We've got that Rush The Passer thing going...but we struggle passing. Because we have too many things Affecting the Passer. With pick 6 we need the best OLineman or WR avaiable. The two worst position groups in the league. Addressing any other position will not change the W/L record and thus will not be making the 'team' any better. MHO
You can fix the problem without picking the OT at 6. I’m trying to say this but is coming off as nonsense?
You guys are hellbent on picking a prospect that might be 18 or 20 on most boards because we need it.
For instance you can trade back increase your assets for 27 when we may need a passer. Or add some draft pieces to increase the depth at OT, G and WR in Day 2.
You can fix the problem without picking the OT at 6. I’m trying to say this but is coming off as nonsense?
You guys are hellbent on picking a prospect that might be 18 or 20 on most boards because we need it.
For instance you can trade back increase your assets for 27 when we may need a passer. Or add some draft pieces to increase the depth at OT, G and WR in Day 2.
If the Browns need OTackles & a WR most - the players in these positions the Browns scouts, coaches & GM rank highest should be our 1st 3 picks that will all be completed by pick #38 overall barring any trading back. Then they can go BPA for the next 5 rounds.
When you go grocery shopping do you put things you need on the list? Or, the things most of your neighbors need and have on their lists?
You're talking depth on positions the Browns need starters at. I thought I mentioned in 1 of my replies in this thread I'm not opposed to a slight trade back for an additional pick.
You wouldn't be replying to either one of us if the Browns haven't been so negligent to the OL. We can think of excuses to keep blowing off drafting OT & an early round WR forever. It's non-competitive football right now. Supply and demand isn't always compatible with what the Browns need in order to compete.
Every week the discussions are the Browns can't block anybody and the WRs can't get open (except Bond) and no matter who played QB even Flacco - people weren't happy.
Pass Pro on the edges has to improve. That simple.
That was my last post on the subject. It's okay to disagree. I have no idea what they will do.
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Thanks! Nice job with clarifying where you are coming from on this.
We're still going differ on what needs to happen with our 1st pick overall; and it is mostly due to the tiny supply of LTs in this draft. It's no secret that a limited supply on a big demand of certain positions often has us watching a run on those positions that puts BPA in the back seat until that run is over. We see it almost every year. IMO, this draft won't be any different so if a team wants any of these LTs: Caleb Lomu (Utah) or Carter Smith (Indiana) or Trevor Goosby (Texas) or Isaiah World (Oregon) or Austin Barber (Florida) or Kadyn Proctor (Alabama) and I know I missed 1 or 2 - they better grab their guy quickly. The following guys some sites are listing/leading people to believe they're LTs but only played RT in 2025 are Ben Miller (Clemson), Spencer Fano (Utah), Gennings Dunker (Iowa) so make sure you double-check these guys.
Now to answer your questions. The Browns drafted Nevada Tackle (Bitonio) to play Guard in round 2 at the 35th overall pick (and he's frequented Pro Bowls). Teller is an OG that Dorsey made a trade with Buffalo to acquire and he has also frequented Pro Bowls here. Schwartz was a RT they drafted in upper 2nd round at #37 overall. Joe Thomas was drafted at #3 overall - he was drafted to play LT here so he went very high being the best one in his draft class. After starting his career with a 10-6 record in Cleveland he made the Pro Bowl 10 consecutive years and landed in the HOF. Now for the Alabama RT the Browns drafted at #10 overall to play LT here - he actually had a solid rookie year and the Browns went to the playoffs with an 11-5 record and beat Pittsburgh. After that season, he had nagging injuries and just never looked like he returned with any desire or passion to continue to build on the rookie season. That picked turned out to be a stinker - especially knowing Tampa drafted Wirfs at #13 overall. (I already provided how many Pro Bowls he made at Right Tackle & Left Tackle as well Super Bowls/playoffs played in earlier in this thread). The team that did it's homework on OTs got the better guy 3 spots after the unnecessary knee jerk from the Browns.
When the Buckeyes got dominated by Miami on the line of scrimmage - did the greatness of Caleb Downs matter more to the outcome of that game than the line of scrimmage? That line of scrimmage was so disruptive Justin Sayin threw 2 INTs, was sacked 5 times and pressured all night. None of that is a knock on Caleb because I agree he's a great player and what that dynamic at Safety can do for the secondary; HOWEVER it's a reality that nothing else matters if you can't block on the line of scrimmage. That said, when you can reliably block for the running game or protect a passer you can help control time of possession and with scoring points in the process. This allows our defense to rest more than it was able to in 2024 and 2025. I'm sticking with getting our 2 Tackles and WR within our 1st 3 picks then going BPA the rest of the draft.
If the OT positions don't get upgraded - we're used to disappointing offense in Cleveland so at least we'll be very experienced watching the inevitable pretending maybe next year 1 more time...
...and there you have it. Modern NFL football in a nutshell. Said by Joe Banner years ago, Pass & Rush The Passer.
We've got that Rush The Passer thing going...but we struggle passing. Because we have too many things Affecting the Passer. With pick 6 we need the best OLineman or WR avaiable. The two worst position groups in the league. Addressing any other position will not change the W/L record and thus will not be making the 'team' any better. MHO
You can fix the problem without picking the OT at 6. I’m trying to say this but is coming off as nonsense?
You guys are hellbent on picking a prospect that might be 18 or 20 on most boards because we need it.
For instance you can trade back increase your assets for 27 when we may need a passer. Or add some draft pieces to increase the depth at OT, G and WR in Day 2.
You can fix the problem without picking the OT at 6. I’m trying to say this but is coming off as nonsense?
No, you're stating it fine. I'm just saying that until you start drafting OL or WR, the W/L record won't get any better.
I'm the owner and I say to my GM, When the 6th pick comes, if we can't trade out, will there be an OLineman or WR that could come in and start, day 1, and thus make my team better?
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You can fix the problem without picking the OT at 6. I’m trying to say this but is coming off as nonsense?
You guys are hellbent on picking a prospect that might be 18 or 20 on most boards because we need it.
For instance you can trade back increase your assets for 27 when we may need a passer. Or add some draft pieces to increase the depth at OT, G and WR in Day 2.
If the Browns need OTackles & a WR most - the players in these positions the Browns scouts, coaches & GM rank highest should be our 1st 3 picks that will all be completed by pick #38 overall barring any trading back. Then they can go BPA for the next 5 rounds.
When you go grocery shopping do you put things you need on the list? Or, the things most of your neighbors need and have on their lists?
You're talking depth on positions the Browns need starters at. I thought I mentioned in 1 of my replies in this thread I'm not opposed to a slight trade back for an additional pick.
You wouldn't be replying to either one of us if the Browns haven't been so negligent to the OL. We can think of excuses to keep blowing off drafting OT & an early round WR forever. It's non-competitive football right now. Supply and demand isn't always compatible with what the Browns need in order to compete.
Every week the discussions are the Browns can't block anybody and the WRs can't get open (except Bond) and no matter who played QB even Flacco - people weren't happy.
Pass Pro on the edges has to improve. That simple.
That was my last post on the subject. It's okay to disagree. I have no idea what they will do.
If the Browns need OTackles & a WR most - the players in these positions the Browns scouts, coaches & GM rank highest should be our 1st 3 picks that will all be completed by pick #38 overall barring any trading back. Then they can go BPA for the next 5 rounds.
When you go grocery shopping do you put things you need on the list? Or, the things most of your neighbors need and have on their lists?
You're talking depth on positions the Browns need starters at. I thought I mentioned in 1 of my replies in this thread I'm not opposed to a slight trade back for an additional pick.
You wouldn't be replying to either one of us if the Browns haven't been so negligent to the OL. We can think of excuses to keep blowing off drafting OT & an early round WR forever. It's non-competitive football right now. Supply and demand isn't always compatible with what the Browns need in order to compete.
Every week the discussions are the Browns can't block anybody and the WRs can't get open (except Bond) and no matter who played QB even Flacco - people weren't happy.
Pass Pro on the edges has to improve. That simple.
That was my last post on the subject. It's okay to disagree. I have no idea what they will do.
In regard to grocery shopping don’t send me….if there is a rib roast on sale I’m buying and going home and putting the chuck roast I bought in the freezer for another time
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I'm of the view that we should address it starting with the off season hiring of free agents to address these two areas well before the draft so it can be used to augment needs still needing shoring up through BPA. This is what we did with the D and it clearly needs to continue on the O side.
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I'm of the view that we should address it starting with the off season hiring of free agents to address these two areas well before the draft so it can be used to augment needs still needing shoring up through BPA. This is what we did with the D and it clearly needs to continue on the O side.
I'm of the view that we should address it starting with the off season hiring of free agents to address these two areas well before the draft so it can be used to augment needs still needing shoring up through BPA. This is what we did with the D and it clearly needs to continue on the O side.
And that's a good idea for WR and/or maybe RT. But last year the Browns did sign a journeyman FA OT in his early 30s (Cornelius Lucas) and that wasn't the answer at all. Lucas started at LT for Washington on the blind side of a rookie QB that became NFL Rookie of the Year. That said, Washington didn't even try to keep him making him available for the 1st team that thinks about OT the way the Browns do. Why that? Because their plan was to trade with Houston for LT Laremy Tunsil whom they got (and overpaid); and then they drafted Oregon LT Josh Connerly Jr whom they started at RT in 2025. IF Tunsil was playing like a keeper for the $ in Houston - they don't trade him. In fact, Houston (not possessing a 1st round pick) used a 2nd round pick on Minnesota LT Aireontae Ersery who beat out projected starter Cam Robinson (yes the same guy who wore #68 for the Browns late in the year). Houston will be moving on to the 2nd round of the playoffs after beating the Steelers 30-6. The desperate Cleveland Browns went after Cam Robinson and he couldn't move to save his career. BUT he was a 2nd veteran FA LT the Browns signed. Lucky for him, Berry probably thinks he pacified Browns fans that don't understand bad performances from OTs have a lot to do with poor QB play. Last draft saved Berry's career in Cleveland because he should have been fired. He's the one that traded away all the picks so obviously the Owner only thought Stefanski needed to be fired. It's a sequel that keeps on giving.
All the guys that want Caleb Downs at #6 can rest easy unless he goes before then.
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I'm of the view that we should address it starting with the off season hiring of free agents to address these two areas well before the draft so it can be used to augment needs still needing shoring up through BPA. This is what we did with the D and it clearly needs to continue on the O side.
I'm of the view that we should address it starting with the off season hiring of free agents to address these two areas well before the draft so it can be used to augment needs still needing shoring up through BPA. This is what we did with the D and it clearly needs to continue on the O side.
It will sound like I’m arguing against my point (which I sometimes do) I don’t think we will find a LT or RT in free agency that We can afford and has more ability than what we can pick at 24 and/or the top of the second round. Maybe a quality guard or center in FA but not a good edge protector.
So while I’m a Caleb Downs guy (right now) I am not opposed to trading back and scratching the right/left tackle itch or making that pick at 24 and/or in the second.
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The issue in regards to BPA vs need becomes more complex with the situation the Browns brass has put themselves in.
When you've allowed the deterioration of an entire position group, to the point the OL state currently is; unless there's serious traction in Free Agency, you've almost set yourself up to HAVE to address the position group if there is 1st round talent available.
Sadly that might mean passing on a player as talented as Downs.
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The issue in regards to BPA vs need becomes more complex with the situation the Browns brass has put themselves in.
When you've allowed the deterioration of an entire position group, to the point the OL state currently is; unless there's serious traction in Free Agency, you've almost set yourself up to HAVE to address the position group if there is 1st round talent available.
Sadly that might mean passing on a player as talented as Downs.
The issue in regards to BPA vs need becomes more complex with the situation the Browns brass has put themselves in.
When you've allowed the deterioration of an entire position group, to the point the OL state currently is; unless there's serious traction in Free Agency, you've almost set yourself up to HAVE to address the position group if there is 1st round talent available.
Sadly that might mean passing on a player as talented as Downs.
THANK YOU!!!! This is what I've been saying.
Our OL & WR groups are rated at the very bottom of the league. It's impossible to win games consistently.
First comes free agency. See what you can do for the positions there. Depending how much you can get done there dictates what you HAVE TO DO in the draft.
Yes, the Safety might be very good. But if we can't block or catch, then he can't help the W/L record. ( Sadly )
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The issue in regards to BPA vs need becomes more complex with the situation the Browns brass has put themselves in.
When you've allowed the deterioration of an entire position group, to the point the OL state currently is; unless there's serious traction in Free Agency, you've almost set yourself up to HAVE to address the position group if there is 1st round talent available.
Sadly that might mean passing on a player as talented as Downs.
THANK YOU!!!! This is what I've been saying.
Our OL & WR groups are rated at the very bottom of the league. It's impossible to win games consistently.
First comes free agency. See what you can do for the positions there. Depending how much you can get done there dictates what you HAVE TO DO in the draft.
Yes, the Safety might be very good. But if we can't block or catch, then he can't help the W/L record. ( Sadly )
THANK YOU!!!! This is what I've been saying.
Our OL & WR groups are rated at the very bottom of the league. It's impossible to win games consistently.
First comes free agency. See what you can do for the positions there. Depending how much you can get done there dictates what you HAVE TO DO in the draft.
Yes, the Safety might be very good. But if we can't block or catch, then he can't help the W/L record. ( Sadly )
Be careful…Don’t make two mistakes.
Staying at 6 what tackle are you taking?
Does LT or RT matter?
Does “he project as a guard at the next level” matter?
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THANK YOU!!!! This is what I've been saying.
Our OL & WR groups are rated at the very bottom of the league. It's impossible to win games consistently.
First comes free agency. See what you can do for the positions there. Depending how much you can get done there dictates what you HAVE TO DO in the draft.
Yes, the Safety might be very good. But if we can't block or catch, then he can't help the W/L record. ( Sadly )
Be careful…Don’t make two mistakes.
Staying at 6 what tackle are you taking?
Does LT or RT matter?
Does “he project as a guard at the next level” matter?
Does LT or RT matter?
We need both. (at least)
If after your evaluations, Combine, Pro Days, Interviews, tape watching, tea-leaves reading, etc. ...and you're on the clock....is there an OLineman or WR available that can step in and start, day 1, and make your offense better, then pick the one that you grade the highest.
IMO, that's how we make the W/ L record better. And that's all predicated on what we were able to accomplish in free agency and whether we wanted to trade out but couldn't, or not.
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THANK YOU!!!! This is what I've been saying.
Our OL & WR groups are rated at the very bottom of the league. It's impossible to win games consistently.
First comes free agency. See what you can do for the positions there. Depending how much you can get done there dictates what you HAVE TO DO in the draft.
Yes, the Safety might be very good. But if we can't block or catch, then he can't help the W/L record. ( Sadly )
Be careful…Don’t make two mistakes.
Staying at 6 what tackle are you taking?
Does LT or RT matter?
Does “he project as a guard at the next level” matter?
Be careful…Don’t make two mistakes.
Staying at 6 what tackle are you taking?
Does LT or RT matter?
Does “he project as a guard at the next level” matter?
If Jones can get healthy and get back to LT, it matters.
and "projects as a guard at the next level" only matters if it is definitely true.
Wirfs was talked about as being a T or G.
Mauigoa has been compared to Penei Sewell, OT, Detroit lions.
"Francis Mauigoa has been compared to NFL offensive tackle Penei Sewell, noted for their similar size and athletic abilities. Both players have shown strong potential in their respective college careers."
Penei was taken with the 7th overall pick in the first round.
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Penei Sewell
Nfl BiographyPenei Elama Sewell is an American Samoan professional football offensive tackle for the Detroit Lions of the National Football League. He played college football for the Oregon Ducks, winning the Outland and Morris trophies in 2019. Sewell was selected with the seventh overall pick by the Lions in the first round in the 2021 NFL draft. He earned four Pro Bowl selections from 2022 to 2025, and was a first-team All-Pro in 2023, 2024, and 2025. He is the brother of Nephi and Noah Sewell, who both have also played professional football. Continued in Wikipedia" -
Be careful…Don’t make two mistakes.
Staying at 6 what tackle are you taking?
Does LT or RT matter?
Does “he project as a guard at the next level” matter?
If Jones can get healthy and get back to LT, it matters.
and "projects as a guard at the next level" only matters if it is definitely true.
Wirfs was talked about as being a T or G.
Mauigoa has been compared to Penei Sewell, OT, Detroit lions.
"Francis Mauigoa has been compared to NFL offensive tackle Penei Sewell, noted for their similar size and athletic abilities. Both players have shown strong potential in their respective college careers."
Penei was taken with the 7th overall pick in the first round.
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"
Penei Sewell
Nfl BiographyPenei Elama Sewell is an American Samoan professional football offensive tackle for the Detroit Lions of the National Football League. He played college football for the Oregon Ducks, winning the Outland and Morris trophies in 2019. Sewell was selected with the seventh overall pick by the Lions in the first round in the 2021 NFL draft. He earned four Pro Bowl selections from 2022 to 2025, and was a first-team All-Pro in 2023, 2024, and 2025. He is the brother of Nephi and Noah Sewell, who both have also played professional football. Continued in Wikipedia"If Jones can get healthy and get back to LT, it matters.
and "projects as a guard at the next level" only matters if it is definitely true.
Wirfs was talked about as being a T or G.
Mauigoa has been compared to Penei Sewell, OT, Detroit lions.
"Francis Mauigoa has been compared to NFL offensive tackle Penei Sewell, noted for their similar size and athletic abilities. Both players have shown strong potential in their respective college careers."
Penei was taken with the 7th overall pick in the first round.
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"
Penei Sewell
Nfl BiographyPenei Elama Sewell is an American Samoan professional football offensive tackle for the Detroit Lions of the National Football League. He played college football for the Oregon Ducks, winning the Outland and Morris trophies in 2019. Sewell was selected with the seventh overall pick by the Lions in the first round in the 2021 NFL draft. He earned four Pro Bowl selections from 2022 to 2025, and was a first-team All-Pro in 2023, 2024, and 2025. He is the brother of Nephi and Noah Sewell, who both have also played professional football. Continued in Wikipedia"He's definitely the type of Tackle Dan Campbell is proud to have! Very good example to use Cal and he's actually a RT in the NFL after being a LT at Oregon - maybe I need to flip my Utah Tackles to Fano at #6 and hoping Lomu kick slides back to us in the 20s.
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