Browns FA signings

gumby73

Browns Special Teams ranked near bottom of NFL.. Yet, Berry keeps bringing these special JAG's back ?‍️

@DanielOyefusi

The Browns are re-signing cornerback Tre Avery, as

@mzenitz reported.

Avery appeared in 10 games last season, primarily on special teams.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/article/cleveland-browns-free-agency-tre-avery-277460610/

Orion

@dutch-oven said:

I agree with the title. From Bad to Pretty Good. But we have to wait and see them play together with any draft additions. All and all I'm quite pleased that they've attacked the OL so heavily in FA. (obviously they had to because they didn't have anyone - except Jones...and he's only like having half a guy since he'll be out at least half the season)

gumby73

@dutch-oven said:

Berry just overpaid for 2 of 3 lineman just to cover up his own doings.. Berry gave them 2 & 3 year contracts.. This Lineman draft class (it's good!), AB needs to hit on 2 of 3 just to avoid the same mess in 2 years..

Find your future Tackle. And 2 scrappy kids to push Wyp & Zinter.

Build it (OL) & stop paying top dollar on it

TexasAg1969

@orion said:

Well, it's not a disaster if he was brought in mainly as a blocker. Unless he can't block well...

I was actually referring to Conklin since he has now been let go. Never seemed healthy enough to contribute when needed.

Dutch Oven

@gumby73 said:

Berry just overpaid for 2 of 3 lineman just to cover up his own doings.. Berry gave them 2 & 3 year contracts.. This Lineman draft class (it's good!), AB needs to hit on 2 of 3 just to avoid the same mess in 2 years..

Find your future Tackle. And 2 scrappy kids to push Wyp & Zinter.

Build it (OL) & stop paying top dollar on it

He tried but whiffed on Zinter and Dawand Jones -while talented - can’t stay healthy.

Then he just ignored the OLine last draft, when the whole world knew the current line at that moment was about to hit their collective expiration date.

Dutch Oven

@orion said:

I agree with the title. From Bad to Pretty Good. But we have to wait and see them play together with any draft additions. All and all I'm quite pleased that they've attacked the OL so heavily in FA. (obviously they had to because they didn't have anyone - except Jones...and he's only like having half a guy since he'll be out at least half the season)

I’d like to move Elton Jenkins to Guard, where he is a two time Pro Bowler, have Kelvin Jenkins as our #6 guy, draft a center and LTackle. Dawand Jones would be our tackle sub.

I know, I know. “You want to start TWO rookies on the OLine Dutch. You sir are a silly goose!”

It’s true. I’m the silliest of gooses.

SdBacker80

@dutch-oven said:

I’d like to move Elton Jenkins to Guard, where he is a two time Pro Bowler, have Kelvin Jenkins as our #6 guy, draft a center and LTackle. Dawand Jones would be our tackle sub.

I know, I know. “You want to start TWO rookies on the OLine Dutch. You sir are a silly goose!”

It’s true. I’m the silliest of gooses.

This is where I’m at- Packers Jenkins is a far better guard than center. And Two rookies is the limit for me.

Tackle at 24, Center in round 3 and a day 3 development tackle and lets put a bow on it.

syd

@gumby73 said:

Berry just overpaid for 2 of 3 lineman just to cover up his own doings.. Berry gave them 2 & 3 year contracts.. This Lineman draft class (it's good!), AB needs to hit on 2 of 3 just to avoid the same mess in 2 years..

Find your future Tackle. And 2 scrappy kids to push Wyp & Zinter.

Build it (OL) & stop paying top dollar on it

well we improved the o-line and there is not a damn thing we can do about the past, as far as contracts go ? who freaking cares, what was their guaranteed money ? and did it really hurt our bottom line ? we are where, where we are, so let it be written so let it be done

gumby73

@dutch-oven said:

He tried but whiffed on Zinter and Dawand Jones -while talented - can’t stay healthy.

Then he just ignored the OLine last draft, when the whole world knew the current line at that moment was about to hit their collective expiration date.

Zinter & Jones still on rookie deals cost us a million/year ..

Tytus Howard & Zion Johnson are now being paid top 7th at RT & LG positions..18.6M & 16.5M

Haslam's never been a cheap owner.. Ya just hope a few more deals would go his way

Ibleedbrown

@gumby73 said:

Browns Special Teams ranked near bottom of NFL.. Yet, Berry keeps bringing these special JAG's back ?‍️

@DanielOyefusi

The Browns are re-signing cornerback Tre Avery, as
@mzenitz reported.

Avery appeared in 10 games last season, primarily on special teams.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/article/cleveland-browns-free-agency-tre-avery-277460610/

Meh, it’s just a contract, not a marriage proposal. They’ll draft guys and sign some udfas to compete with him. We’ll see what shakes out.

I’m more concerned with getting a punt/kick return guy that can compete with the legend of Josh Cribbs. He was a gunner too.

Axe

@orion said:

Band income? What's that?

I understand. $.008 per stream ?

gumby73

@ibleedbrown said:

I’m more concerned with getting a punt/kick return guy that can compete with the legend of Josh Cribbs. He was a gunner too.

Watching Seahawks WR/PR Rashid Shaheed gave me the vibes of watching Josh Cribbs ? Both went undrafted

The Saints passed & both could find a faster gear on football fields..

like KC Conception & Zachariah Branch as PR/WR's that can take it to The CriBB this draft !

Orion

@dutch-oven said:

“You want to start TWO rookies on the OLine Dutch. You sir are a silly goose!”

Ya know, if you can surround the rookies with veterans it could work. And let's face it, they're all getting brand new playbooks and position coaches.

Maybe we'll draft Hetch, the center. The biggest ass in the draft.

Ibleedbrown

@orion said:

Maybe we'll draft Hetch, the center. The biggest ass in the draft.

A big ass is an asset in sports. I’m serious. It’s a center of gravity thing.

Even for major league pitchers. Bartolo Colon?

Flugel

@jjmac28 said:

I am not a fan of this resigning can he kick the hell out of the ball yes, IMO most of the long punt returns last year was him outkicking the coverage, long line drive kicks killed us on special teams, I was hoping of drafting a new punter in the 7th round this year

FWIW JJ, he's been here longer than just last year; and he's been good at pinning opponents deep and/or flipping a bad field position situation. Now, if someone happens to field that and return it - there's 2 things to rely on: 1) coverage as a unit per teacher's (coach's) instructions and practice repetitions of it; 2) talent on the team empowered to cover punts - and let's be honest how often this unit wasn't as talented or as well coached as the opponent's return unit pesonnel. When the NYJs not only embarrassed the Browns' punt coverage unit - they also did it to the KO coverage. Same coach (Bubba) - same summer school students low on the depth charts exposed.

Another important responsibility this punter handled well here is holding for FGs/PATs.

gumby73

@texasag1969 said:

I was actually referring to Conklin since he has now been let go. Never seemed healthy enough to contribute when needed.

It'd be hard to find a 31 year old nfl player as beat up as Jack Conkin played thru the last 2 seasons..

Looks like his contract fell off too.. But look at the Cash Haslam paid ?

https://overthecap.com/player/jack-conklin/4721

Dutch Oven

In Conklin's six seasons with the Browns, he missed 44 of 101 possible games.

TexasAg1969

@dutch-oven said:

In Conklin's six seasons with the Browns, he missed 44 of 101 possible games.

That's something I'd expect out of a beat up RB, not an OL. And how many has Jones missed so far?

Flugel

@dutch-oven said:

In Conklin's six seasons with the Browns, he missed 44 of 101 possible games.

Aside from that, many of those that he did play in - it was at an age and injury depreciated value. This is/was a GOOD player that had a lot of bad luck on the field. Dawand Jones showed up like a Bear that just finished hibernating on a couch all offseason when he wasn't snacking between snacks (while sleeping of course). He's the one that frustrated me the most due to the amount of talent he has wasted (very similar to Josh "Potsy" Gordon). One has to at least LIKE this game to be a dependable/reliable player. Yeah, his injuries can also be attributed to bad luck but a lot of off season strength and conditioning is aimed at preventing via stretching and keep agonist and antagonist muscle groups within specified strength proportion. For example, if the quads exceed the recommended 3 to 1 strength proportion to that of the hamstrings - the knee becomes vulnerable to injury.

There's also colliding philosophies where ballistic Olympic Lifts (that have even injured some of the best in the world competing at the Olympics or trials have suffered serious injuries doing these lifts even though they're among the best in the world at it. Now, imagine high school football programs that could be teaching kids improper form on top of it all and it's a hot mess. Anyway, it has been argued very successfully IMO that there is no proof any of the ballistic lifts thought to be mimicking specific blocking techniques actually carries over to the field. Tell that to a roided up Joe Rockhead "hey Joe, I'm bleedin - I'm pissing blood man." That's okay, doesn't hurt - does it Jimmy?" "No." "You're good - you got a great attitude!"