Who do we have to play the offensive line?

[calfoxwc]

@orion said:

I should've taken the picture before clearing the driver's side.  It was totally buried.  Looked like a lump in the snow.  (my new CX-5)  You can just see the tips of my windshield wipers sticking out of the snow.  All of a sudden, leaving one's windshield wipers up and off of the windshield so they don't freeze to it doesn't seem like such a good idea.     Radar looks like it'll keep snowing until around 7pm.  (from 8pm yesterday)

WOW. I wish we could get that much snow, I want to use our snowblower more. lol

I suggest a Bluetti solar generator. We have a small one, a 55, it's light enough to take camping, but it is strong enough that we had an outage for a few days once, and used it to get our fridge and freezer running again to keep them cold. There are bigger ones, but the Bluetti has the lithium batteries that will last longer and work better. 

We can still heat our home, with the wood-burning fireplace insert, which is enclosed and use the Bluetti to run the little fan that puts out that hot air. Plus, we could cook over the front 5" edge of the insert. Good luck with all that snow. That's amazing.

[Orion]

@dutch-oven said:

Holy shitballs!

Last month we got hammered one weekend, where I live in NE Ohio got 9-10", my buddy in Clarion, PA got 23".

But you got ANNIHILATED. 

Yeah.  At 1 pm at the Providence airport (TF Green, 9 miles away) they reported 32.8 inches.  A new single storm record for the Providence area.  (I'm 2 towns from Prov.)

I'm going back outside to peck away at making a path from our back porch door, around to the driveway.  It's way too high for my (good sized) snow thrower.  And then after that, to the shed and behind it where my dog likes to do his business.  The friggin' drifts are chest high.  

I Want A Dome!    

[SdBacker80]

@dutch-oven said:

I swear if I took over a high school team I'd just grab a 1962 Green Bay Packers playbook and run the Oklahoma drill in practice every day, and just dare the opposing teams to stop us. 

I hear you.  
 

but You would get run out by a Mom that cries to the school board.  

[ballpeen]

@ibleedbrown said:

I hope l never have to watch KT Leveston play football again.

It would be cool if Zinter flips the switch and earns the job. Wypler too.

Jones has had moments, but injuries.

Tevin Jenkins showed some promise, yeah?

I also do not want to watch Cornelius Lucas play football again. 

I don’t know who the other guys are but l think Jeremiah Byers makes the team.

At least at tackle.  I think he has some of the traits needed to be decent at guard.

[Orion]

I can almost hit a golf ball to East Providence from my house.  ( I'd have to play a fade around the trees and then have it draw back in again )  

[Flugel]

@gumby73 said:

Good news--under rookie contract.. Bad news-- Week 17 knee injury

All we got left with, in a season ending win in a January at Natty was... Wypler suffered a traumatic knee injury in 4th qtr...He was replaced by Zak Zinter playing Center...

Let's just hope he's ready at OTA's .. ? (we'd take any good OL news! )

Starting back to when Bill Callahan walked into Berra from 2020 to 2023.. You'd think Berry could sponge something off his OL wit?

OL Drafted since 2020 Callahan era..

Jed Wills 1st round. Nick Harris 5th.

James Hudson 4th.

Dawson Deaton 7th.

Past Callahan exit..

Dawand Jones 4th Luke Wypler 7th 

Zak Zinter 3rd

2025 0 drafted...

Berry see's OL like WR's .. Mid to late rounds, with a Wiff on Wills ?  Who's scouting these Offensive Lineman? maybe fix that too?

Gumbs, Callahan didn't leave until 2024 when he joined his son's Staff for a couple years. 

In 2023, Bill Callahan was the OL Coach here when Dawand Jones showed up as an extremely overweight and out of shape as a rookie attending his very 1st professional football training camp.  Needless to say, news travelled that Callahan was NOT impressed - coincidentally Jones has 3 consecutive IR shortened seasons.   Luke Wypler was also drafted in 2023 (190th overall in round 6). 

Zak Zinter was post Callahan in 2024.

[Flugel]

@dutch-oven said:

I like your idea of trading for a vet OLineman.

But boy oh boy, I hate the idea of trading the #24 pick for AJ Brown. He's a headcase. If he didn't like playing for a Super Bowl winner, he'd hate playing here. 

Agreed!  He's a very tough guy to please.  Is this really a good idea for a QB that is only 7 starts old?  

[tiamat63]

@tiamat63 said:

edit:  Forgot cover 8.    Seattle calls it 'Trix'.     I'll try to make this shorter & easier 

- Your cover 2 gets call to the formation strength.  So if it's trips, you call cover 2 to trips and quarters backside to formation weakness.

- Biggest difference is that your backside quarters safety is going to roll and quasi "poach" that strongside #3 pushing vertical & over (provided there is no "fast" threat from his side #2)   You can play a MOD to the boundary corner to cap the fade AND, depending on how routes develop, "buy back" the Trix safety to double a boundary #1.     That's another big difference between 6 & 8. 

@ibleedbrown   Great video example of cover 8. 

Cover 2 to the bunch (strength) side.   Quarters backside.   When the backside #2 doesn't push vertical, that backside quarters safety plays back to the bunch side (trix) building an integrity that resembles Cover 3 looking for any Over or vertical route to his hash.  

https://x.com/The_Coach_A/status/2026326256237563941

[Ibleedbrown]

@tiamat63 said:

@ibleedbrown   Great video example of cover 8. 

Cover 2 to the bunch (strength) side.   Quarters backside.   When the backside #2 doesn't push vertical, that backside quarters safety plays back to the bunch side (trix) building an integrity that resembles Cover 3 looking for any Over or vertical route to his hash.  

https://x.com/The_Coach_A/status/2026326256237563941

The visual was helpful. I got that it’s a scheme used against bunch formations.

[Orion]

So, after week 1 of FA, who are our starters?  Do we want Elgton Jenkins at C or G (G to go along with Zion Johnson)?  Then there's Dawand Jones & Tytus Howard.  

Kingsley Eguakun 65 C 6-3 305 24 2 Florida        Luke Wypler 56 C 6-3 303 24 4 Ohio State

Elgton Jenkins -- C/G 6-5 310 30 8 Mississippi State

Jack Conley 67 G 6-7 333 24 1 Boston College     Teven Jenkins 74 G 6-6 321 28 6 Oklahoma State

Zion Johnson -- G 6-3 315 26 5 Boston College     Zak Zinter 70 G 6-6 310 24 3 Michigan

Kendrick Green 52 OL 6-4 315 27 5 Illinois

Jeremiah Byers 63 OT 6-4 320 24 1 Florida State     Tytus Howard -- OT 6-5 320 29 8 Alabama State

Dawand Jones 79 T 6-8 374 24 4 Ohio State      KT Leveston 72 T 6-4 335 26 3 Kansas State

Tyre Phillips 69 T 6-5 330 29 4 Mississippi State

[Dutch Oven]

I'd want E. Jenkins to play guard if possible. It seems like he played at a higher level there than center.

There's a good chance IMO he plays center though, unless Wypler comes back from his injury better than expected or the Browns draft a center who is able to start sooner than normal. 

[TexasAg1969]

@dutch-oven said:

I'd want E. Jenkins to play guard if possible. It seems like he played at a higher level there than center.

There's a good chance IMO he plays center though, unless Wypler comes back from his injury better than expected or the Browns draft a center who is able to start sooner than normal. 

Pick up A&M's Trey Zuhn III later rounds. Played mostly LT, but also a lot of time at C and sometimes LG. Very versatile.

[Orion]

Here's the top offensive tackles in the draft.  We need one of 'em.  But who?  And when?  This is where I see these players being ranked, but you can find differences between draft rankers. Because of the combine Freeling made a big jump in people's rankings.  

IMO, we're looking for a LT.  Fano played LT, then moved to RT for Lomu to play LT.  Kiper thinks Fano's arm length might make him a Guard in the NFL.

Who do we draft and where?

Francis Mauigoa    RT   6’6  335
Spencer Fano     RT/LT   6’6    308
Caleb Lomu    LT     6’6   308
Monroe Freeling   LT   6’7   315
Kadyn Proctor        LT   6’7   330  
Max Iheanachor   RT     6’6    330

[Dutch Oven]

@orion said:

Here's the top offensive tackles in the draft.  We need one of 'em.  But who?  And when?  This is where I see these players being ranked, but you can find differences between draft rankers. Because of the combine Freeling made a big jump in people's rankings.  

IMO, we're looking for a LT.  Fano played LT, then moved to RT for Lomu to play LT.  Kiper thinks Fano's arm length might make him a Guard in the NFL.

Who do we draft and where?

Francis Mauigoa    RT   6’6  335
Spencer Fano     RT/LT   6’6    308
Caleb Lomu    LT     6’6   308
Monroe Freeling   LT   6’7   315
Kadyn Proctor        LT   6’7   330  
Max Iheanachor   RT     6’6    330

I'd love to trade down a little, pick up another pick and take Freeling.

I just wish he had more experience. 

[Flugel]

@dutch-oven said:

I'd love to trade down a little, pick up another pick and take Freeling.

I just wish he had more experience. 

Me too but I'm at the point I'll be equally happy with Lomu or Freeling. Lomu has more starts; but I think Freeling faced more challenging battle tests.  

[Flugel]

@orion said:

Here's the top offensive tackles in the draft.  We need one of 'em.  But who?  And when?  This is where I see these players being ranked, but you can find differences between draft rankers. Because of the combine Freeling made a big jump in people's rankings.  

IMO, we're looking for a LT.  Fano played LT, then moved to RT for Lomu to play LT.  Kiper thinks Fano's arm length might make him a Guard in the NFL.

Who do we draft and where?

Francis Mauigoa    RT   6’6  335
Spencer Fano     RT/LT   6’6    308
Caleb Lomu    LT     6’6   308
Monroe Freeling   LT   6’7   315
Kadyn Proctor        LT   6’7   330  
Max Iheanachor   RT     6’6    330

The arm length might have also been a reason they had Fano snapping the ball in some drills at the Combine.

[Orion]

@dutch-oven said:

I'd love to trade down a little, pick up another pick and take Freeling.

I just wish he had more experience. 

My thoughts exactly.  

I would like to wind up with Fano, Lomu or Freeling.  I don't want to have to settle for Proctor.  I fear that if we wait until #24, Proctor will be the only true LT left.  I'm not crazy about drafting a RT with the intention of making him something else...especially in the 1st round.  

Where would you guys pick Fano, Lomu or Freeling?

[Dutch Oven]

@orion said:

My thoughts exactly.  

I would like to wind up with Fano, Lomu or Freeling.  I don't want to have to settle for Proctor.  I fear that if we wait until #24, Proctor will be the only true LT left.  I'm not crazy about drafting a RT with the intention of making him something else...especially in the 1st round.  

Where would you guys pick Fano, Lomu or Freeling?

Would I be irate if they took any of these guys at #6? No. 
 

But I’d love to take those three around #9-13. 

[gumby73]

@orion said:

IMO, we're looking for a LT.  Fano played LT, then moved to RT for Lomu to play LT.  Kiper thinks Fano's arm length might make him a Guard in the NFL.

Who do we draft and where?

Francis Mauigoa    RT   6’6  335   
Spencer Fano     RT/LT   6’6    308
Caleb Lomu    LT     6’6   308
Monroe Freeling   LT   6’7   315
Kadyn Proctor        LT   6’7   330  
Max Iheanachor   RT     6’6    330

 games played & game tape don't change! They'll all have rookie warts & weaknesses.

Mauigoa or Spencer Fano are still the top tackle options imo.. (Hell, most/me wanted us to draft Jack Conklin when we traded pick #8)

Monroe Freeling would prefer trade down. Not up from 24. He's just not top 10 in this draft class

The oldest players Berry has ever drafted? Were barely over 23 years old (3).. Caleb Lomu reads as a redshirt solphmore..But also, Lomu ages over 24 years old. IMO, Berry would board Bama's Proctor ahead of Lomu..

just my 2 cents.. Love to Titans  Tate to Giants

[Flugel]

@gumby73 said:

 games played & game tape don't change! They'll all have rookie warts & weaknesses.

Mauigoa or Spencer Fano are still the top tackle options imo.. (Hell, most/me wanted us to draft Jack Conklin when we traded pick #8)

Monroe Freeling would prefer trade down. Not up from 24. He's just not top 10 in this draft class

The oldest players Berry has ever drafted? Were barely over 23 years old (3).. Caleb Lomu reads as a redshirt solphmore..But also, Lomu ages over 24 years old. IMO, Berry would board Bama's Proctor ahead of Lomu..

just my 2 cents.. Love to Titans  Tate to Giants

VERY INTERESTING!  I WISH Mauigoa would have worked out at the Combine so we could see if he has the hips, feet and agility to move laterally as an ELITE NFL Tackle worthy of being the 1st or 2nd OL being drafted for the massive need on the edge.  All OTackles needed for NFL starting lineups may not be protected by teammates/help on their outside shoulders at the next level. For example, Will Campbell's culture shock in the NFL for all to see more than once. That was a 4th overall pick I think. 

I'm not saying you're wrong about him; I'm saying I don't know enough about him or many of the OTackles in this draft.  I did notice at times Miami had an entourage of teammates lined up to his right inclusive of a TE, Wingback or H-back 1 yard over from TE's hip and 1 yard back - and sometimes another receiver/flanker was added.  Like a magician's slight of hand, closing up all that space to the right of Mauigoa makes pass blocking in tighter space way more doable especially for a beast like him.  I don't question his straight ahead 40 speed - I question if he can kick-slide to his right or left at the speed of the NFL game (notice I'm more worried about that than his am length because footwork/base can compensate for arm length in some instances like Lomu - who does it consistently).  The on-going question with Lomu is - is he strong/powerful enough?  And why?  He's compensating for his 33 3/8" arm length with quick and lateral footwork keeping him well positioned in spite of those Gator-armed punches (looking less forceful but consistently doing the job which is why he's a pain in the ass to his opponents wondering why they can't get past his ass).  As for Mauigoa, the consensus where there is no dispute - when his team puts him in a favorable situation he wins very consistently. Quite often any talk about him as an NFL draft prospect tends to mention the possibility of moving him inside to OG.  Usually they only credit his arm length for that; but never forget how important the feet/lateral movement/hips/agility are to his ability to pass protection with a lot of space to his right at the next level.

What I don't know about Mauigoa is can he move laterally?  If he can and the Browns draft him - I'd be thrilled.  If he can't and the Browns draft him - I'd still welcome one of our new starting Guards (or possibly RT) with a great future here.  Then, I'd hope we draft a LT next or that this move was done following a trade-back for an additional 1st round pick others have mentioned as a possibility. I think there's similar questions about Proctor except he played LT and has longer arms than Mauigoa. That said, I think if a lot of space on his outside shoulder is removed in pass pro - the next Nate Newton at OG wouldn't suck.  

If for some reason, there's an early run on LTs and we don't get one of the oft-mentioned prospects in here - Northwestern's 6'7" Caleb Tiernan 325 pound LT has 43 starts with most of them at LT; Arizona State's Max Iheanachor is 6'6" 330 lbs and very athletic despite not playing organized football until college. Don't give me any "GEE THANKS FLUGEL!" At least research the feller and allow thyselves to be pleasantly surprised; or try some of the turbo fueled coffee I'm drinking.  

There's 2 Draft Guides/Magazines that hit the shelves last week for any draft enthusiasts here: Athlon Sports 2026 Draft Preview & Lindy's Sports Pro Football Draft 2026. Both are good imo. Athlon shows college career stats for all skilled positions.  Just as a warning, Lindy's forgot to include 1st Round  W Prospect - Washington's Denzel Boston at 6'4" 210 pounds. Hard guy to miss - just ask his previous opponent.  They didn't miss him at all after facing him for 60 minutes...