The Official Browns at Jaguars Game 1 Thread
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It is an inherent contradiction to want your team to be good with 2026 Watson as QB
Unless you have the QB room that we have. And the HC is telling you, As much as we may want Sanders to be the starter, he's just not as good as Watson. That's where we're at. And I don't want Haslam telling Monken who to play. We've got to let this season play out and then attack the QB position next April. (if it turns out that that's what's needed...and so far, in the early going, it looks like that's what's needed)
Unless you have the QB room that we have. And the HC is telling you, As much as we may want Sanders to be the starter, he's just not as good as Watson. That's where we're at. And I don't want Haslam telling Monken who to play. We've got to let this season play out and then attack the QB position next April. (if it turns out that that's what's needed...and so far, in the early going, it looks like that's what's needed)
We may as well lose with Gabriel, Sanders and Greene. Then it becomes abundantly clear who to draft or trade. Unless you are certain that they are worthless as starters, you may as well play them. With Watson starting, the issue is in doubt.
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Unless you have the QB room that we have. And the HC is telling you, As much as we may want Sanders to be the starter, he's just not as good as Watson. That's where we're at. And I don't want Haslam telling Monken who to play. We've got to let this season play out and then attack the QB position next April. (if it turns out that that's what's needed...and so far, in the early going, it looks like that's what's needed)
We may as well lose with Gabriel, Sanders and Greene. Then it becomes abundantly clear who to draft or trade. Unless you are certain that they are worthless as starters, you may as well play them. With Watson starting, the issue is in doubt.
We may as well lose with Gabriel, Sanders and Greene.
That's the 'fan' view...from 5000 feet. But Monken is not trying to lose. He's trying to win. And he thinks that Watson gives him his best chance. Monken won't allow himself to think like that until he knows that he can't make the playoffs....which of course, is waiting way too long in the 5000' fan view. It's not easy being a HC. Your fired or not fired based on how many wins and losses you get. Not on setting up your franchise for a high draft pick which will benefit the team in the long run.
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We may as well lose with Gabriel, Sanders and Greene.
That's the 'fan' view...from 5000 feet. But Monken is not trying to lose. He's trying to win. And he thinks that Watson gives him his best chance. Monken won't allow himself to think like that until he knows that he can't make the playoffs....which of course, is waiting way too long in the 5000' fan view. It's not easy being a HC. Your fired or not fired based on how many wins and losses you get. Not on setting up your franchise for a high draft pick which will benefit the team in the long run.
That's the 'fan' view...from 5000 feet. But Monken is not trying to lose. He's trying to win. And he thinks that Watson gives him his best chance. Monken won't allow himself to think like that until he knows that he can't make the playoffs....which of course, is waiting way too long in the 5000' fan view. It's not easy being a HC. Your fired or not fired based on how many wins and losses you get. Not on setting up your franchise for a high draft pick which will benefit the team in the long run.
The Browns are NOT going to win with Watson now or in the future. Monken has 2-3 years. He better find out if he can win with the other 3 QBS in the room. Watson will not be here in 2027
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Her name isn't Laurie is it? A 10 grade girlfriend of that name moved to Toledo. Oh wait, she's in Dallas now twice divorced.
Never mind.?
No, the wife grew up in Toledo. Went to Miami (Ohio) and worked at the same hospital I did at the time. How we met. Somehow, we've managed to not get divorced after many years. Our 40th wedding anniversary is next month.
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It is an inherent contradiction to want your team to be good with 2026 Watson as QB
Unless you have the QB room that we have. And the HC is telling you, As much as we may want Sanders to be the starter, he's just not as good as Watson. That's where we're at. And I don't want Haslam telling Monken who to play. We've got to let this season play out and then attack the QB position next April. (if it turns out that that's what's needed...and so far, in the early going, it looks like that's what's needed)
Unless you have the QB room that we have. And the HC is telling you, As much as we may want Sanders to be the starter, he's just not as good as Watson. That's where we're at. And I don't want Haslam telling Monken who to play. We've got to let this season play out and then attack the QB position next April. (if it turns out that that's what's needed...and so far, in the early going, it looks like that's what's needed)
Anymore Orion, I'm not buying the corporate BS Monken- or anyone else in the Browns organization is spewing. Said it as soon as Watson was named the starter. It's tank-a-thon time. Obvious to this fan. Great- Watson had a garbage time TD to pad his stats. Call me not impressed. You've seen it on this board- that a bunch of us old timers just don't care anymore. And the young 'uns have never seen a Browns team that's been consistently good, so why should they care either? Haslam has pretty much lost what used to be the most loyal and dedicated fan base. You can only put up with shit football for so long.
If some of you still have your rose colored glasses on, I'll lay heavy odds when the NFL Power Rankings come out in a few days the Browns will solidly be the #32 team- and it won't be close. We're going to get laughed at- so get ready for it.
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Her name isn't Laurie is it? A 10 grade girlfriend of that name moved to Toledo. Oh wait, she's in Dallas now twice divorced.
Never mind.?
No, the wife grew up in Toledo. Went to Miami (Ohio) and worked at the same hospital I did at the time. How we met. Somehow, we've managed to not get divorced after many years. Our 40th wedding anniversary is next month.
No, the wife grew up in Toledo. Went to Miami (Ohio) and worked at the same hospital I did at the time. How we met. Somehow, we've managed to not get divorced after many years. Our 40th wedding anniversary is next month.
Well congratulations Larry. My wife and have our 57th coming up on Valentines Day.
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As I have said before here, the Clowns are the losingest team in the NFL over the last 20 years
I watched the Bengals game yesterday , only to check the Clowns to see how badly they were getting beat.
As someone else mentioned, we old timers that used to be loyal Browns fans are just plain sick of it..and I see another on here already saying wait till next year....
So pathetic and so real because this team stinks, again
You can blame Hasalem if you like..but I wonder every year how Andrew Berry keeps his job.
Because he is pathetic and he is the GM...Thank him for the aftermath of the worst deal in pro sports history and look at HIS legacy
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"THEY ARE WHO WE (I)THOUGHT THEY WERE".
Guys, I've been a Browns fan for 70 years of my life. I finally learned to not get emotionally involved in Browns wins or losses- the losses will be many this year. Can we have another 0-17 parade? Really glad I dumped my season tickets. That performance today can only be described as a CLOWN SHOW. Horrible in every way. I've seen enough great qb play after just one game to say Watson SUCKS. Unless by some miracle- I can say this guys is the most overpaid bum in the NFL. washed up more than a beached whale. Told the guys everyone should do a shot for every interception Watson threw. Didn't take long, did it? Didn't help that the defense played like crap either. Penalties galore. I actually dozed off the end of the 4th quarter. ?
"THEY ARE WHO WE (I)THOUGHT THEY WERE".
Guys, I've been a Browns fan for 70 years of my life. I finally learned to not get emotionally involved in Browns wins or losses- the losses will be many this year. Can we have another 0-17 parade? Really glad I dumped my season tickets. That performance today can only be described as a CLOWN SHOW. Horrible in every way. I've seen enough great qb play after just one game to say Watson SUCKS. Unless by some miracle- I can say this guys is the most overpaid bum in the NFL. washed up more than a beached whale. Told the guys everyone should do a shot for every interception Watson threw. Didn't take long, did it? Didn't help that the defense played like crap either. Penalties galore. I actually dozed off the end of the 4th quarter. ?
I turned the game off, had to clean the grill
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that didn't take long.
after being projected at #28 power rating,
the Browns are 32nd.
worse than dismal. All that talent, new coaches, changes....
same old qb crises.
https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/nfl-power-rankings-bills-no-130138418.html
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That's the 'fan' view...from 5000 feet. But Monken is not trying to lose. He's trying to win. And he thinks that Watson gives him his best chance. Monken won't allow himself to think like that until he knows that he can't make the playoffs....which of course, is waiting way too long in the 5000' fan view. It's not easy being a HC. Your fired or not fired based on how many wins and losses you get. Not on setting up your franchise for a high draft pick which will benefit the team in the long run.
The Browns are NOT going to win with Watson now or in the future. Monken has 2-3 years. He better find out if he can win with the other 3 QBS in the room. Watson will not be here in 2027
The Browns are NOT going to win with Watson now or in the future. Monken has 2-3 years. He better find out if he can win with the other 3 QBS in the room. Watson will not be here in 2027
I hear that. And I agree almost 100%. Again though, fan view from 5000'. And that's not how you coach. You have to play the best players at each position (for the job at hand). That's what the HC owes the players. Sure, when the game is hopelessly lost you can sub in some backups to get them some playing time to see how they do. And the same holds true for the season. Once the season is lost you can give more time to backups. It's a little different if you've just drafted one of the best QB's in the draft who is to become your long term franchise QB. You'll be wanting to get him on the field as soon as you can....without rushing him in there before he's ready. So, he may go in there before he's technically better than the current veteran starter. (Sanders was drafted in the 5th round)
So, at this point in the season (the very beginning) the argument is about Who is the better QB. Not who is the most popular with the fans. Not who might be here next year and who may not. We're one game out of first. The new HC, with no loyalty, no ties to either player, has determined that neither Sanders, Gabriel, or Green had shown to be better than Watson.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
The Browns are NOT going to win with Watson now or in the future. Monken has 2-3 years. He better find out if he can win with the other 3 QBS in the room. Watson will not be here in 2027
I hear that. And I agree almost 100%. Again though, fan view from 5000'. And that's not how you coach. You have to play the best players at each position (for the job at hand). That's what the HC owes the players. Sure, when the game is hopelessly lost you can sub in some backups to get them some playing time to see how they do. And the same holds true for the season. Once the season is lost you can give more time to backups. It's a little different if you've just drafted one of the best QB's in the draft who is to become your long term franchise QB. You'll be wanting to get him on the field as soon as you can....without rushing him in there before he's ready. So, he may go in there before he's technically better than the current veteran starter. (Sanders was drafted in the 5th round)
So, at this point in the season (the very beginning) the argument is about Who is the better QB. Not who is the most popular with the fans. Not who might be here next year and who may not. We're one game out of first. The new HC, with no loyalty, no ties to either player, has determined that neither Sanders, Gabriel, or Green had shown to be better than Watson.
I hear that. And I agree almost 100%. Again though, fan view from 5000'. And that's not how you coach. You have to play the best players at each position (for the job at hand). That's what the HC owes the players. Sure, when the game is hopelessly lost you can sub in some backups to get them some playing time to see how they do. And the same holds true for the season. Once the season is lost you can give more time to backups. It's a little different if you've just drafted one of the best QB's in the draft who is to become your long term franchise QB. You'll be wanting to get him on the field as soon as you can....without rushing him in there before he's ready. So, he may go in there before he's technically better than the current veteran starter. (Sanders was drafted in the 5th round)
So, at this point in the season (the very beginning) the argument is about Who is the better QB. Not who is the most popular with the fans. Not who might be here next year and who may not. We're one game out of first. The new HC, with no loyalty, no ties to either player, has determined that neither Sanders, Gabriel, or Green had shown to be better than Watson.
Monken two three years? He may not last the season Orion. I heard a clip of his post game presser- and he's on some sort of drugs starting Watson again for a damn near guaranteed loss. Buccaneers -5.5, 78% probability to win outright.
A more objective look from NFL.com...
"Watson's first start goes even worse than expected. Deshaun Watson's selection as Browns starter defied logic, and his performance Sunday only made reality more frustrating for Browns fans. Watson threw an ugly interception on his third pass attempt of the season, routinely appeared overwhelmed by the speed of the game and a pass rush that eagerly feasted on his unusually long pass drops, and frequently missed his targets even when free from pressure. His only high-quality throw of the game came in garbage time, when he launched a deep ball to Denzel Boston for the rookie's first touchdown. Sure, the Browns didn't help themselves (11 accepted penalties for 75 yards), but in any other scenario with any other team, there would be no reason Watson is playing. These Browns are a unique case, though, and they'll likely subject their fans to this misery again for at least one more week."
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I hear that. And I agree almost 100%. Again though, fan view from 5000'. And that's not how you coach. You have to play the best players at each position (for the job at hand). That's what the HC owes the players. Sure, when the game is hopelessly lost you can sub in some backups to get them some playing time to see how they do. And the same holds true for the season. Once the season is lost you can give more time to backups. It's a little different if you've just drafted one of the best QB's in the draft who is to become your long term franchise QB. You'll be wanting to get him on the field as soon as you can....without rushing him in there before he's ready. So, he may go in there before he's technically better than the current veteran starter. (Sanders was drafted in the 5th round)
So, at this point in the season (the very beginning) the argument is about Who is the better QB. Not who is the most popular with the fans. Not who might be here next year and who may not. We're one game out of first. The new HC, with no loyalty, no ties to either player, has determined that neither Sanders, Gabriel, or Green had shown to be better than Watson.
Monken two three years? He may not last the season Orion. I heard a clip of his post game presser- and he's on some sort of drugs starting Watson again for a damn near guaranteed loss. Buccaneers -5.5, 78% probability to win outright.
A more objective look from NFL.com...
"Watson's first start goes even worse than expected. Deshaun Watson's selection as Browns starter defied logic, and his performance Sunday only made reality more frustrating for Browns fans. Watson threw an ugly interception on his third pass attempt of the season, routinely appeared overwhelmed by the speed of the game and a pass rush that eagerly feasted on his unusually long pass drops, and frequently missed his targets even when free from pressure. His only high-quality throw of the game came in garbage time, when he launched a deep ball to Denzel Boston for the rookie's first touchdown. Sure, the Browns didn't help themselves (11 accepted penalties for 75 yards), but in any other scenario with any other team, there would be no reason Watson is playing. These Browns are a unique case, though, and they'll likely subject their fans to this misery again for at least one more week."
and frequently missed his targets even when free from pressure.
umm...he completed 73% of his passes.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
umm...he completed 73% of his passes.
Including the 3rd pass of the game??
BTW I've been walking daughter's dog before sunrise during our ongoing drought recently and have seen your namesake very clearly including of course Betelgeuse, which most don't know is part of Orion.
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32. Cleveland Browns (0-1)
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Including the 3rd pass of the game??
BTW I've been walking daughter's dog before sunrise during our ongoing drought recently and have seen your namesake very clearly including of course Betelgeuse, which most don't know is part of Orion.
LOL, the long time astronomer in me- I can rattle off the other major stars in Orion starting at Betelguese and going clockwise.. Bellatrix, Rigel, Saiph. My Starry Night program tells me the belt stars have names too, as well as several other stars in Orion. Then you get just numbers like 47 Oriontis. And if you're out in the country away from city lights, you can make out the Orion Nebula without binoculars or a telescope. ?
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And scored 3 points- until garbage time.
The thing I wanted/want this year is for our QB's to have no excuses. But I'm about to make some:
We couldn't run the ball. Watson was our leading rusher. (Don't worry, it's only a matter of time before the backup QB is in the game. Watson will get hurt while running with the ball) We NEED the running game to take some pressure off of the passing game. That kinda' points to our newly revamped OL. And with the amount of play Watson has had in the last 3 years it might not be absurd to think that it may take a little time to catch back up to the speed of the live games.
We have a new HC. He's got a ton of NFL experience. He's got pretty much a clean slate right now. (though he should've called TO on 3rd & 2 near the opponent's goal line) And he thinks that Watson is the best QB we have right now. So, I've gotta trust him for now.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
The Browns are NOT going to win with Watson now or in the future. Monken has 2-3 years. He better find out if he can win with the other 3 QBS in the room. Watson will not be here in 2027
I hear that. And I agree almost 100%. Again though, fan view from 5000'. And that's not how you coach. You have to play the best players at each position (for the job at hand). That's what the HC owes the players. Sure, when the game is hopelessly lost you can sub in some backups to get them some playing time to see how they do. And the same holds true for the season. Once the season is lost you can give more time to backups. It's a little different if you've just drafted one of the best QB's in the draft who is to become your long term franchise QB. You'll be wanting to get him on the field as soon as you can....without rushing him in there before he's ready. So, he may go in there before he's technically better than the current veteran starter. (Sanders was drafted in the 5th round)
So, at this point in the season (the very beginning) the argument is about Who is the better QB. Not who is the most popular with the fans. Not who might be here next year and who may not. We're one game out of first. The new HC, with no loyalty, no ties to either player, has determined that neither Sanders, Gabriel, or Green had shown to be better than Watson.
I hear that. And I agree almost 100%. Again though, fan view from 5000'. And that's not how you coach. You have to play the best players at each position (for the job at hand). That's what the HC owes the players. Sure, when the game is hopelessly lost you can sub in some backups to get them some playing time to see how they do. And the same holds true for the season. Once the season is lost you can give more time to backups. It's a little different if you've just drafted one of the best QB's in the draft who is to become your long term franchise QB. You'll be wanting to get him on the field as soon as you can....without rushing him in there before he's ready. So, he may go in there before he's technically better than the current veteran starter. (Sanders was drafted in the 5th round)
So, at this point in the season (the very beginning) the argument is about Who is the better QB. Not who is the most popular with the fans. Not who might be here next year and who may not. We're one game out of first. The new HC, with no loyalty, no ties to either player, has determined that neither Sanders, Gabriel, or Green had shown to be better than Watson.
Something, something, tank and rebuild.
The question is not "Who is the better QB," the question is: "who is the better scapegoat?" The obvious answer being Watson.
You were absolutely right that the team would have been better off doing that last season to get Mendoza, but that level of decision making is beyond this ownership and their cronies.
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