Why is it so hard to believe that Quinn could be a bust?
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@jadbf said:
Sure . but 17 starts longer? Russel has PROVEN beyaond a shadow of doubt he's not a QB in this league. he's played 23 games, 20 of them starts. with 16 TOTAL TD's in his career.He's wrapped the leash around the tree, around the porch, and is stuck under the lamp panting and can't reach his water.
Agree totally. JaMarcus is a total train wreck.
And he got 20 starts.
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Noway 5 1/2 games is enough to see what Quinn is capable of
But ,he has had 2 1/2 training camps with 2 different coaching staffs
and no one has seen the "IT" ,the glimpse of greatness to come
that they obvoiusly saw from Manning & Breeze.
Hell ,maybe new town,new team ,new offense, Quinn gets it all together
Don't Care,time to move on ,Pick wasted
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As much as we have seen of DA its hard to tell yet if he can learn or is a bust...and as little that we have seen of BQ its impossible to tell...it is possible bq could be a bust and it is possible DA could never learn and be a pro bowler thats a bust overall...
As an avid nfl fan and a bq fan i can say from what i have seen of bq in his 10 quarters was unimpressive and that theres a real probability that he may be just an average nfl qb but there is no way to tell without sticking with him for at least 6 to 8 games...
DA has started 2 seasons worth of games but seems to have improved little until sundays game...would bq be better for the longrun?
I dont know...but if DA keeps playing well and loses the tunnelvision and making bad decisions he will be our guy and BQ will be traded for better or worse..im a DA fag too..i like them both but DA is looking better at the moment...
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As much as we have seen of DA its hard to tell yet if he can learn or is a bust...and as little that we have seen of BQ its impossible to tell...it is possible bq could be a bust and it is possible DA could never learn and be a pro bowler thats a bust overall...
As an avid nfl fan and a bq fan i can say from what i have seen of bq in his 10 quarters was unimpressive and that theres a real probability that he may be just an average nfl qb but there is no way to tell without sticking with him for at least 6 to 8 games...
DA has started 2 seasons worth of games but seems to have improved little until sundays game...would bq be better for the longrun?
I dont know...but if DA keeps playing well and loses the tunnelvision and making bad decisions he will be our guy and BQ will be traded for better or worse..im a DA fag too..i like them both but DA is looking better at the moment...
As much as we have seen of DA its hard to tell yet if he can learn or is a bust...and as little that we have seen of BQ its impossible to tell...it is possible bq could be a bust and it is possible DA could never learn and be a pro bowler thats a bust overall...
As an avid nfl fan and a bq fan i can say from what i have seen of bq in his 10 quarters was unimpressive and that theres a real probability that he may be just an average nfl qb but there is no way to tell without sticking with him for at least 6 to 8 games...
DA has started 2 seasons worth of games but seems to have improved little until sundays game...would bq be better for the longrun?
I dont know...but if DA keeps playing well and loses the tunnelvision and making bad decisions he will be our guy and BQ will be traded for better or worse..im a DA fag too..i like them both but DA is looking better at the moment...
Uh, how did DA "improve" yesterday? Looked like good ole DA to me.
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Quinn is our personal Ryan Leaf, or Tim Couch.
No, he is not, Tim Couch and Ryan leaf both started 2 full seasons, Quinn never even got that chance
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As much as we have seen of DA its hard to tell yet if he can learn or is a bust...and as little that we have seen of BQ its impossible to tell...it is possible bq could be a bust and it is possible DA could never learn and be a pro bowler thats a bust overall...
As an avid nfl fan and a bq fan i can say from what i have seen of bq in his 10 quarters was unimpressive and that theres a real probability that he may be just an average nfl qb but there is no way to tell without sticking with him for at least 6 to 8 games...
DA has started 2 seasons worth of games but seems to have improved little until sundays game...would bq be better for the longrun?
I dont know...but if DA keeps playing well and loses the tunnelvision and making bad decisions he will be our guy and BQ will be traded for better or worse..im a DA fag too..i like them both but DA is looking better at the moment...
Uh, how did DA "improve" yesterday? Looked like good ole DA to me.
Uh, how did DA "improve" yesterday? Looked like good ole DA to me.
He found a WR in Massaquoi that can actually hang on to his 5 yard rocket shots
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Uh, how did DA "improve" yesterday? Looked like good ole DA to me.
He found a WR in Massaquoi that can actually hang on to his 5 yard rocket shots
He found a WR in Massaquoi that can actually hang on to his 5 yard rocket shots
Just like with Winslow and Edwards, he'll grow tired of the hits and develope gattor arms
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He found a WR in Massaquoi that can actually hang on to his 5 yard rocket shots
Just like with Winslow and Edwards, he'll grow tired of the hits and develope gattor arms
Masters said:
Just like with Winslow and Edwards, he'll grow tired of the hits and develope gattor armsIsn't that what might have happened to Cribbs?
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It's certainly possible the Quinn is a bust. Mangini didnt give him a fair shot, imo and whatever. If we win with DA then who cares. We haven't, but that's what we're up against now.
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Quinn's still brand new. He has more upside than DA. DA is who yinz thought he was. Who knows what BQ will turn out to be.
I know one thing for sure, if this kid gets too screwed up - forget it. He'll go the Tim Couch route.
The entire stains roster has problems. If Mangina has any coaching sense, he'll recognize undeveloped potential in BQ. I'm just not sure Mangina has that sense.
Yinz are 0-4. Quarter way through the season. Think it's turn-aroundable? Probably not and playing DA at this point is a panic move. Just like when Mangina brought Brett into NJ - panic move, an attempt to save his own ass.
Regards
.... an'at
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Masters said:
Just like with Winslow and Edwards, he'll grow tired of the hits and develope gattor armsIsn't that what might have happened to Cribbs?
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Quinn's still brand new. He has more upside than DA. DA is who yinz thought he was. Who knows what BQ will turn out to be.
I know one thing for sure, if this kid gets too screwed up - forget it. He'll go the Tim Couch route.
The entire stains roster has problems. If Mangina has any coaching sense, he'll recognize undeveloped potential in BQ. I'm just not sure Mangina has that sense.
Yinz are 0-4. Quarter way through the season. Think it's turn-aroundable? Probably not and playing DA at this point is a panic move. Just like when Mangina brought Brett into NJ - panic move, an attempt to save his own ass.
Regards
.... an'at
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Steeler SChuck said:
Quinn's still brand new. He has more upside than DA. DA is who yinz thought he was. Who knows what BQ will turn out to be.I know one thing for sure, if this kid gets too screwed up - forget it. He'll go the Tim Couch route.
The entire stains roster has problems. If Mangina has any coaching sense, he'll recognize undeveloped potential in BQ. I'm just not sure Mangina has that sense.
Yinz are 0-4. Quarter way through the season. Think it's turn-aroundable? Probably not and playing DA at this point is a panic move. Just like when Mangina brought Brett into NJ - panic move, an attempt to save his own ass.
One flaw there. The owner and GM brought Favre to the NYJ, not Mangini. Mangini just hung w/ him too long when he knew Brett was hurt.
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Steeler SChuck said:
Quinn's still brand new. He has more upside than DA. DA is who yinz thought he was. Who knows what BQ will turn out to be.I know one thing for sure, if this kid gets too screwed up - forget it. He'll go the Tim Couch route.
The entire stains roster has problems. If Mangina has any coaching sense, he'll recognize undeveloped potential in BQ. I'm just not sure Mangina has that sense.
Yinz are 0-4. Quarter way through the season. Think it's turn-aroundable? Probably not and playing DA at this point is a panic move. Just like when Mangina brought Brett into NJ - panic move, an attempt to save his own ass.
One flaw there. The owner and GM brought Favre to the NYJ, not Mangini. Mangini just hung w/ him too long when he knew Brett was hurt.
Quinn's still brand new. He has more upside than DA. DA is who yinz thought he was. Who knows what BQ will turn out to be.
I know one thing for sure, if this kid gets too screwed up - forget it. He'll go the Tim Couch route.
The entire stains roster has problems. If Mangina has any coaching sense, he'll recognize undeveloped potential in BQ. I'm just not sure Mangina has that sense.
Yinz are 0-4. Quarter way through the season. Think it's turn-aroundable? Probably not and playing DA at this point is a panic move. Just like when Mangina brought Brett into NJ - panic move, an attempt to save his own ass.
Masters said:
One flaw there. The owner and GM brought Favre to the NYJ, not Mangini. Mangini just hung w/ him too long when he knew Brett was hurt.Oh there is more than one flaw there. You forgot to go after the idea that Quinn has undeveloped potential. Quinn has peaked. I've seen the same flaws in his game from his rookie year as I do now. The kid just can't play at this level. Lerner wanted his boy in there and he got em. He sold a million tickets and let Mangini pull the plug. Playing DA was not a panic move it was the original plan. ANY unbias fan who watched preseason and training camp could see beyond a shadow of a doubt that DA was outperforming Quinn. There simply is no way Mangini could have missed it. It was clear and he is a lot smarter than us. BQ is the future for nobody's team. He, like Frye, is a career backup. In my opinion.
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Quinn's still brand new. He has more upside than DA. DA is who yinz thought he was. Who knows what BQ will turn out to be.
I know one thing for sure, if this kid gets too screwed up - forget it. He'll go the Tim Couch route.
The entire stains roster has problems. If Mangina has any coaching sense, he'll recognize undeveloped potential in BQ. I'm just not sure Mangina has that sense.
Yinz are 0-4. Quarter way through the season. Think it's turn-aroundable? Probably not and playing DA at this point is a panic move. Just like when Mangina brought Brett into NJ - panic move, an attempt to save his own ass.
Masters said:
One flaw there. The owner and GM brought Favre to the NYJ, not Mangini. Mangini just hung w/ him too long when he knew Brett was hurt.Oh there is more than one flaw there. You forgot to go after the idea that Quinn has undeveloped potential. Quinn has peaked. I've seen the same flaws in his game from his rookie year as I do now. The kid just can't play at this level. Lerner wanted his boy in there and he got em. He sold a million tickets and let Mangini pull the plug. Playing DA was not a panic move it was the original plan. ANY unbias fan who watched preseason and training camp could see beyond a shadow of a doubt that DA was outperforming Quinn. There simply is no way Mangini could have missed it. It was clear and he is a lot smarter than us. BQ is the future for nobody's team. He, like Frye, is a career backup. In my opinion.
. Quinn has peaked. I've seen the same flaws in his game from his rookie year as I do now.
Please tell me you didn't just say that, yet will pump up DA?
Dude, DA has the same flaws since his sophmore year in college. The same flaws since he started his first game in 2006.
I won't even touch the Lerner conspiracy garbage. Because if there is any truth to that, this team is just as screwed and Managini is an automatic failure, because any coach that goes along w/ that crap has no business being and NFL coach. You don't succeed by sabotaging yourself.
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Whether he's a bust or not his days are numbered as a browns guy.
What he is,he is the most mismanaged player i can remember. He's a question mark in many people eye's. Who really knows and at this juncture(0-4), and who cares?
Would i like to see a feel good story develop with Quinn? Sure, but the groundwork has been laid to build a team first and finish it off with another QB in a later draft.
I don't see us drafting a QB next year unless our current squad materializes into something worth building around.
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Whether he's a bust or not his days are numbered as a browns guy.
What he is,he is the most mismanaged player i can remember. He's a question mark in many people eye's. Who really knows and at this juncture(0-4), and who cares?
Would i like to see a feel good story develop with Quinn? Sure, but the groundwork has been laid to build a team first and finish it off with another QB in a later draft.
I don't see us drafting a QB next year unless our current squad materializes into something worth building around.
I don't see us drafting a QB next year unless our current squad materializes into something worth building around.
And if that means CLE is going into next year w/ DA at the helm, I see CLE getting a new HC in 2011.
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Masters said:
He'd actually have to get open first.You know assume that how?
I know better. I know that in week #1 the kid ran hard, ran hard with no looks and a late throw his way in garbage time. I pointed it out here.
Cribbs has been replaced by MoMass because of Massaquoi emergence and development. When you are getting your ass handed to you, down by several scores and you still can't find kids like Massaquoi or put the ball into the hands of one of your best play makers (Cribbs), you find yourself on the bench. Both ran good routes and ran them hard in week #1 ... they didn't just fall out of the sky in week #4.
The coaches saw that too.
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Masters said:
He'd actually have to get open first.You know assume that how?
I know better. I know that in week #1 the kid ran hard, ran hard with no looks and a late throw his way in garbage time. I pointed it out here.
Cribbs has been replaced by MoMass because of Massaquoi emergence and development. When you are getting your ass handed to you, down by several scores and you still can't find kids like Massaquoi or put the ball into the hands of one of your best play makers (Cribbs), you find yourself on the bench. Both ran good routes and ran them hard in week #1 ... they didn't just fall out of the sky in week #4.
The coaches saw that too.
The coaches saw that too.
You mean that Cribbs can't get seperation and open, yeah, the coaches obviously saw that. Notice Cribbs had little involvement this week as a WR. That must be a coincindence.... All MoMass had to do is lace up his shoes and step between the lines in order to progress as better than Cribbs at WR. You do realize Cribbs went from #2 WR on the depth chart to #4.
You don't need more than an educated guess (or to watch the games) to figure this one out.
And it's you that knows assumes that all that running around you pointed out was anything close to what he was supposed to be doing out there. Moving from 2 to 4 tells me all that running around was not even close to where he was supposed to be.
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Noway 5 1/2 games is enough to see what Quinn is capable of
But ,he has had 2 1/2 training camps with 2 different coaching staffs
and no one has seen the "IT" ,the glimpse of greatness to come
that they obvoiusly saw from Manning & Breeze.
Hell ,maybe new town,new team ,new offense, Quinn gets it all together
Don't Care,time to move on ,Pick wasted
Noway 5 1/2 games is enough to see what Quinn is capable of
But ,he has had 2 1/2 training camps with 2 different coaching staffs
and no one has seen the "IT" ,the glimpse of greatness to come
that they obvoiusly saw from Manning & Breeze.
Hell ,maybe new town,new team ,new offense, Quinn gets it all together
Don't Care,time to move on ,Pick wasted
Great point. We see the EXACT dilemna training air traffic controllers. I've trained dozens over the past 20 yrs. (Even trained Billy Bob Thornton for Pushing Tin) We refer to it as the "Light" going on. The problem with this "Light" is that there's no way to assess if someone's LIGHT comes on unless they have the opportunity to be tested under fire. Can they make the STEP to the next level. Whether it's the FAA in the USA or our own system in Canada, they've been trying to figure out how to get the LIGHT on for trainees for years. Can you duplicate all the skills you possess under stress.I'm not pro or anti anyone. The idea of making such a final decision given such a small body of work isn't wise.
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