QB Discussion (pre Oct 11th game)
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College history big game flop at Notre Dame.
Quinn went 19-6 in his two seasons under Weis, but his critics underscore those six losses, all in so-called "big games" — twice against Southern California, the Sugar Bowl to Russell-led LSU, the Fiesta Bowl to Ohio State and to Michigan and Michigan State in the regular season.
What would Quinn tell a GM who asked why he should be taken ahead of Russell?
"I'd tell them I'm the most prepared collegiate player for the NFL in the draft," Quinn said at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "There's not one other player that's had the kind of coaching that I've had the past couple of years.
"I feel that I am the best leader for a team that needs someone to step in."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/dr...ady-quinn_N.htm
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flacco was a rookie....queen's been doing commercials longer than he's been in the league.
guess all that hard work studying paid off....
flacco was a rookie....queen's been doing commercials longer than he's been in the league.
guess all that hard work studying paid off....
Real playing time is real playing time. There is no substitute for live games in the regular season. All the playbook and film study doesn't give you a feel for real game speed.
Not implying BQ would turn into Flacco. But the notion that 5 1/2 real games is enough time to judge a QB in the NFL is just silly at best.
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DA is more likely to be traded. Actually it fits Mangini's mold, start DA for a few games, if he plays well, it builds his value, then trade him. We're rebuilding.
DA is more likely to be traded. Actually it fits Mangini's mold, start DA for a few games, if he plays well, it builds his value, then trade him. We're rebuilding.
A lot of people have said that Quinn fits Mangini's mold and I'm not sure why. It can only be based on how NY's offense ran with Pennington and you make do with what you have. When he had Favre healthy it was a different offensive "mold". I think winning fits Mangini's mold more than anything. If DA wins games this year, he isn't going anywhere. If he flounders, hello Kevin Kolb!
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flacco was a rookie....queen's been doing commercials longer than he's been in the league.
guess all that hard work studying paid off....
Real playing time is real playing time. There is no substitute for live games in the regular season. All the playbook and film study doesn't give you a feel for real game speed.
Not implying BQ would turn into Flacco. But the notion that 5 1/2 real games is enough time to judge a QB in the NFL is just silly at best.
Masters said:
Real playing time is real playing time. There is no substitute for live games in the regular season. All the playbook and film study doesn't give you a feel for real game speed.Not implying BQ would turn into Flacco. But the notion that 5 1/2 real games is enough time to judge a QB in the NFL is just silly at best.
If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
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College history big game flop at Notre Dame.
Quinn went 19-6 in his two seasons under Weis, but his critics underscore those six losses, all in so-called "big games" — twice against Southern California, the Sugar Bowl to Russell-led LSU, the Fiesta Bowl to Ohio State and to Michigan and Michigan State in the regular season.
What would Quinn tell a GM who asked why he should be taken ahead of Russell?
"I'd tell them I'm the most prepared collegiate player for the NFL in the draft," Quinn said at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "There's not one other player that's had the kind of coaching that I've had the past couple of years.
"I feel that I am the best leader for a team that needs someone to step in."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/dr...ady-quinn_N.htm
College history big game flop at Notre Dame.
Quinn went 19-6 in his two seasons under Weis, but his critics underscore those six losses, all in so-called "big games" — twice against Southern California, the Sugar Bowl to Russell-led LSU, the Fiesta Bowl to Ohio State and to Michigan and Michigan State in the regular season.
What would Quinn tell a GM who asked why he should be taken ahead of Russell?
"I'd tell them I'm the most prepared collegiate player for the NFL in the draft," Quinn said at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "There's not one other player that's had the kind of coaching that I've had the past couple of years.
"I feel that I am the best leader for a team that needs someone to step in."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/dr...ady-quinn_N.htm
Hey mods - how about we clean this shit up. Not only is it 3 years old, it's largely inaccurate (for starters- the Bush Push), and it's from a fcuking Ratbirds fan.
I mean for-fcuks-sake Stan, if this Raven fan came in here spouting off this dumb shit about DA, you'd be crying in your beer so hard you'd get a nosebleed.
What does this even have to do with the current topic: which is, why are half of us Gay for Brady's shoes?
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WTF is that?
That my friend, is HILARIOUS!!!
Another one of Quinn's "HOLY SHIT I"M IN THE NFL?! I'M SCARED!" moments. Frye had a lot of those too.
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Masters said:
Real playing time is real playing time. There is no substitute for live games in the regular season. All the playbook and film study doesn't give you a feel for real game speed.Not implying BQ would turn into Flacco. But the notion that 5 1/2 real games is enough time to judge a QB in the NFL is just silly at best.
If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
Once again, see Joe Flacco's first 6 NFL starts last year. You did nothing here to disprove the basis of my statement.
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WTF is that?
That my friend, is HILARIOUS!!!
Another one of Quinn's "HOLY SHIT I"M IN THE NFL?! I'M SCARED!" moments. Frye had a lot of those too.
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Seeing Edwards traded and the other benchings its obvious Quinns failure in the 2.5 games this year was a major group effort.
We still may see more Quinn towards the end of the season.
Don't count him out yet.
Seeing Edwards traded and the other benchings its obvious Quinns failure in the 2.5 games this year was a major group effort.
We still may see more Quinn towards the end of the season.
Don't count him out yet.
I hope not. He had his chance and he sucked. If he had it, he would still be starting. Remember John Kitna with the Ben-Gals? He had a great year when Palmer was a rookie. But Palmer won the job in training camp the next year despite Kitna's great play the year before. Quinn was lucky to have won the job out of training camp this year. He's just not that good.
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Masters said:
I am sure the Ravens and their fans are glad they didn't think that about Joe Flacco after 5 1/2 games.The Ravens were at least scoring enough points to win some games.... Don't forget they made it to the AFC champioship last year.
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Masters said:
Real playing time is real playing time. There is no substitute for live games in the regular season. All the playbook and film study doesn't give you a feel for real game speed.Not implying BQ would turn into Flacco. But the notion that 5 1/2 real games is enough time to judge a QB in the NFL is just silly at best.
If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
exactly, Quin WAS NOT getting better, at all.
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Masters said:
I am sure the Ravens and their fans are glad they didn't think that about Joe Flacco after 5 1/2 games.The Ravens were at least scoring enough points to win some games.... Don't forget they made it to the AFC champioship last year.
The Ravens were at least scoring enough points to win some games.... Don't forget they made it to the AFC champioship last year.
Some of those first 6 weeks the O was some, but from little to no help from Flacco (let's not pretend the Browns D and running game is even in the same league as the Ravens). My simple point is, 5 1/2 games isn't enough time to judge a QB, and the Ravens are better off for not having that type of mentality.
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If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
Once again, see Joe Flacco's first 6 NFL starts last year. You did nothing here to disprove the basis of my statement.
Masters said:
Once again, see Joe Flacco's first 6 NFL starts last year. You did nothing here to disprove the basis of my statement.Rookie struggling is one thing but failing to improve in practice, preseason, and real games after 3 years in the league is another thing completely.
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Masters said:
Once again, see Joe Flacco's first 6 NFL starts last year. You did nothing here to disprove the basis of my statement.Rookie struggling is one thing but failing to improve in practice, preseason, and real games after 3 years in the league is another thing completely.
Rookie struggling is one thing but failing to improve in practice, preseason, and real games after 3 years in the league is another thing completely.
Sounds like both QB on the Browns roster.
If you haven't played live games at QB, you are essentially a rookie, imo.
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@jadbf said:
He got what he got, and didn't take advantage of it. Life's not fair, I'm teaching my 3 year old that, you'd think grown fans would understand the same.If he gets another chance and has a great career, either here or somewhere else, Good for Brady. If not, I could care less.
Maybe you could learn something from your 3 yr old called compassion. You are right, he got what he got and that was the shaft!!! It amazes me how you can NOT be pissed off that we spent what we did to get him and then not do what is necessary to find out if he is capable of being the franchise or not AND you CANNOT make that determination based on what has transpired up to today. If you can, well then you must be omnipotent (not!)
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@jadbf said:
He got what he got, and didn't take advantage of it. Life's not fair, I'm teaching my 3 year old that, you'd think grown fans would understand the same.If he gets another chance and has a great career, either here or somewhere else, Good for Brady. If not, I could care less.
Maybe you could learn something from your 3 yr old called compassion. You are right, he got what he got and that was the shaft!!! It amazes me how you can NOT be pissed off that we spent what we did to get him and then not do what is necessary to find out if he is capable of being the franchise or not AND you CANNOT make that determination based on what has transpired up to today. If you can, well then you must be omnipotent (not!)
Maybe you could learn something from your 3 yr old called compassion. You are right, he got what he got and that was the shaft!!! It amazes me how you can NOT be pissed off that we spent what we did to get him and then not do what is necessary to find out if he is capable of being the franchise or not AND you CANNOT make that determination based on what has transpired up to today. If you can, well then you must be omnipotent (not!)
It's kind of pointless to get pissed about it. It is what it is. I will only be pissed if Quinn turns out to be good while on other team.
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