QB Discussion (pre Oct 11th game)
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flacco was a rookie....queen's been doing commercials longer than he's been in the league.
guess all that hard work studying paid off....
Real playing time is real playing time. There is no substitute for live games in the regular season. All the playbook and film study doesn't give you a feel for real game speed.
Not implying BQ would turn into Flacco. But the notion that 5 1/2 real games is enough time to judge a QB in the NFL is just silly at best.
Masters said:
Real playing time is real playing time. There is no substitute for live games in the regular season. All the playbook and film study doesn't give you a feel for real game speed.Not implying BQ would turn into Flacco. But the notion that 5 1/2 real games is enough time to judge a QB in the NFL is just silly at best.
If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
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College history big game flop at Notre Dame.
Quinn went 19-6 in his two seasons under Weis, but his critics underscore those six losses, all in so-called "big games" — twice against Southern California, the Sugar Bowl to Russell-led LSU, the Fiesta Bowl to Ohio State and to Michigan and Michigan State in the regular season.
What would Quinn tell a GM who asked why he should be taken ahead of Russell?
"I'd tell them I'm the most prepared collegiate player for the NFL in the draft," Quinn said at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "There's not one other player that's had the kind of coaching that I've had the past couple of years.
"I feel that I am the best leader for a team that needs someone to step in."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/dr...ady-quinn_N.htm
College history big game flop at Notre Dame.
Quinn went 19-6 in his two seasons under Weis, but his critics underscore those six losses, all in so-called "big games" — twice against Southern California, the Sugar Bowl to Russell-led LSU, the Fiesta Bowl to Ohio State and to Michigan and Michigan State in the regular season.
What would Quinn tell a GM who asked why he should be taken ahead of Russell?
"I'd tell them I'm the most prepared collegiate player for the NFL in the draft," Quinn said at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. "There's not one other player that's had the kind of coaching that I've had the past couple of years.
"I feel that I am the best leader for a team that needs someone to step in."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/dr...ady-quinn_N.htm
Hey mods - how about we clean this shit up. Not only is it 3 years old, it's largely inaccurate (for starters- the Bush Push), and it's from a fcuking Ratbirds fan.
I mean for-fcuks-sake Stan, if this Raven fan came in here spouting off this dumb shit about DA, you'd be crying in your beer so hard you'd get a nosebleed.
What does this even have to do with the current topic: which is, why are half of us Gay for Brady's shoes?
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WTF is that?
That my friend, is HILARIOUS!!!
Another one of Quinn's "HOLY SHIT I"M IN THE NFL?! I'M SCARED!" moments. Frye had a lot of those too.
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Masters said:
Real playing time is real playing time. There is no substitute for live games in the regular season. All the playbook and film study doesn't give you a feel for real game speed.Not implying BQ would turn into Flacco. But the notion that 5 1/2 real games is enough time to judge a QB in the NFL is just silly at best.
If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
Once again, see Joe Flacco's first 6 NFL starts last year. You did nothing here to disprove the basis of my statement.
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WTF is that?
That my friend, is HILARIOUS!!!
Another one of Quinn's "HOLY SHIT I"M IN THE NFL?! I'M SCARED!" moments. Frye had a lot of those too.
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Seeing Edwards traded and the other benchings its obvious Quinns failure in the 2.5 games this year was a major group effort.
We still may see more Quinn towards the end of the season.
Don't count him out yet.
Seeing Edwards traded and the other benchings its obvious Quinns failure in the 2.5 games this year was a major group effort.
We still may see more Quinn towards the end of the season.
Don't count him out yet.
I hope not. He had his chance and he sucked. If he had it, he would still be starting. Remember John Kitna with the Ben-Gals? He had a great year when Palmer was a rookie. But Palmer won the job in training camp the next year despite Kitna's great play the year before. Quinn was lucky to have won the job out of training camp this year. He's just not that good.
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Masters said:
I am sure the Ravens and their fans are glad they didn't think that about Joe Flacco after 5 1/2 games.The Ravens were at least scoring enough points to win some games.... Don't forget they made it to the AFC champioship last year.
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Masters said:
Real playing time is real playing time. There is no substitute for live games in the regular season. All the playbook and film study doesn't give you a feel for real game speed.Not implying BQ would turn into Flacco. But the notion that 5 1/2 real games is enough time to judge a QB in the NFL is just silly at best.
If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
exactly, Quin WAS NOT getting better, at all.
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Masters said:
I am sure the Ravens and their fans are glad they didn't think that about Joe Flacco after 5 1/2 games.The Ravens were at least scoring enough points to win some games.... Don't forget they made it to the AFC champioship last year.
The Ravens were at least scoring enough points to win some games.... Don't forget they made it to the AFC champioship last year.
Some of those first 6 weeks the O was some, but from little to no help from Flacco (let's not pretend the Browns D and running game is even in the same league as the Ravens). My simple point is, 5 1/2 games isn't enough time to judge a QB, and the Ravens are better off for not having that type of mentality.
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If the QB in question continues to miss reads and throws over those 5-1/2 games, it's plenty of time. If he holds the ball too long out of of absolute fear, it's enough time. If said QB gets sacked an average of 4-1/2 times a game and the other guy gets sacked 1-1/2 times behind the same line, that's enough time. And if your QB has 16 completions for just over 100 yards on a regular basis, that's plenty of time. In a nutshell, Brady has had enough time. But, if your QB is the future of a franchise with no hope and he doesn't have a youg gunslinger with poise behind him, you ride it out.
Holy commas!
Once again, see Joe Flacco's first 6 NFL starts last year. You did nothing here to disprove the basis of my statement.
Masters said:
Once again, see Joe Flacco's first 6 NFL starts last year. You did nothing here to disprove the basis of my statement.Rookie struggling is one thing but failing to improve in practice, preseason, and real games after 3 years in the league is another thing completely.
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Masters said:
Once again, see Joe Flacco's first 6 NFL starts last year. You did nothing here to disprove the basis of my statement.Rookie struggling is one thing but failing to improve in practice, preseason, and real games after 3 years in the league is another thing completely.
Rookie struggling is one thing but failing to improve in practice, preseason, and real games after 3 years in the league is another thing completely.
Sounds like both QB on the Browns roster.
If you haven't played live games at QB, you are essentially a rookie, imo.
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@jadbf said:
He got what he got, and didn't take advantage of it. Life's not fair, I'm teaching my 3 year old that, you'd think grown fans would understand the same.If he gets another chance and has a great career, either here or somewhere else, Good for Brady. If not, I could care less.
Maybe you could learn something from your 3 yr old called compassion. You are right, he got what he got and that was the shaft!!! It amazes me how you can NOT be pissed off that we spent what we did to get him and then not do what is necessary to find out if he is capable of being the franchise or not AND you CANNOT make that determination based on what has transpired up to today. If you can, well then you must be omnipotent (not!)
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@jadbf said:
He got what he got, and didn't take advantage of it. Life's not fair, I'm teaching my 3 year old that, you'd think grown fans would understand the same.If he gets another chance and has a great career, either here or somewhere else, Good for Brady. If not, I could care less.
Maybe you could learn something from your 3 yr old called compassion. You are right, he got what he got and that was the shaft!!! It amazes me how you can NOT be pissed off that we spent what we did to get him and then not do what is necessary to find out if he is capable of being the franchise or not AND you CANNOT make that determination based on what has transpired up to today. If you can, well then you must be omnipotent (not!)
Maybe you could learn something from your 3 yr old called compassion. You are right, he got what he got and that was the shaft!!! It amazes me how you can NOT be pissed off that we spent what we did to get him and then not do what is necessary to find out if he is capable of being the franchise or not AND you CANNOT make that determination based on what has transpired up to today. If you can, well then you must be omnipotent (not!)
It's kind of pointless to get pissed about it. It is what it is. I will only be pissed if Quinn turns out to be good while on other team.
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He did not get a fair shot. He should have come into camp on time in 2007 and fought it out with Frye and Anderson. I don't feel bad for Quinn, and I wish him luck with the Browns or elsewhere, but he screwed himself in the long run by holding out.
He did not get a fair shot. He should have come into camp on time in 2007 and fought it out with Frye and Anderson. I don't feel bad for Quinn, and I wish him luck with the Browns or elsewhere, but he screwed himself in the long run by holding out.
If you recall, rumor was that the coaching staff played a part in not getting him signed and did not plan on letting him compete for the starting job anyhow, wanting to groom him over a yr or 2. I DO feel bad for him! I also feel bad for US (the fans) in that if the FO continues to make dumb ass decisions like this, we will never field a team we can get excited about. JMHO
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The coaches have seen him all spring, summer, preseason and 3 starts. That's plenty of time to get a feel for what the kid is capable of. The coaches could be thinking he's crap, the coaches could be thinking he just isn't the type of QB they need for what they want to do, the coaches could be thinking he needs to work on a few things in practice and develop a bit more before handing the reigns over to him permanently just yet. If the coaches think DA is the better player for now, it doesn't necessarily say they're giving up on Quinn, but the coaches are correct in playing the best player for now. All this talk about him deserving to be playing now to develop is silly, if he is as smart and hard working and capable as some on the board claim he is he'll be able to develop while on the bench.
The coaches have seen him all spring, summer, preseason and 3 starts. That's plenty of time to get a feel for what the kid is capable of. The coaches could be thinking he's crap, the coaches could be thinking he just isn't the type of QB they need for what they want to do, the coaches could be thinking he needs to work on a few things in practice and develop a bit more before handing the reigns over to him permanently just yet. If the coaches think DA is the better player for now, it doesn't necessarily say they're giving up on Quinn, but the coaches are correct in playing the best player for now. All this talk about him deserving to be playing now to develop is silly, if he is as smart and hard working and capable as some on the board claim he is he'll be able to develop while on the bench.
You ARE RetardED!!! After spring, summer & preseason they decided he was the better QB. AND how in the hell can he develop while on the bench? Oh yea, we'll be able to measure his bench development and decide to franchise him and with even more bench development, I'm quite sure that he will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Retard!!!
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The coaches have seen him all spring, summer, preseason and 3 starts. That's plenty of time to get a feel for what the kid is capable of. The coaches could be thinking he's crap, the coaches could be thinking he just isn't the type of QB they need for what they want to do, the coaches could be thinking he needs to work on a few things in practice and develop a bit more before handing the reigns over to him permanently just yet. If the coaches think DA is the better player for now, it doesn't necessarily say they're giving up on Quinn, but the coaches are correct in playing the best player for now. All this talk about him deserving to be playing now to develop is silly, if he is as smart and hard working and capable as some on the board claim he is he'll be able to develop while on the bench.
You ARE RetardED!!! After spring, summer & preseason they decided he was the better QB. AND how in the hell can he develop while on the bench? Oh yea, we'll be able to measure his bench development and decide to franchise him and with even more bench development, I'm quite sure that he will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Retard!!!
After spring, summer & preseason they decided he was the better QB.
I have strong doubts about that. It is almost beyond comprehension that someone could watch Quinn and Anderson play QB one after another and come to the conclusion that there is anything whatsoever that Quinn does better.
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imhso,
Quinn was pulled because of Edwards' not getting open, bouncing passes off his hands like a hunk of hardwood,
and with the right side of the oline failing to do the job in pass protection,
it is better for a veteran player with a lot of experience to handle it as best he can.
They decided to go with quick hitting plays, and DA is the veteran qb on the team.
DA is Vinny Testeverde, he will always be what he is. Quinn hasn't become what he will be yet.
Not that that makes sense to everybody, but it's what I'm thinking.
at our booth at the farmer's market, a Steeler fan came up with his jacket and hat. I had my jacket and hat for the Browns,
so, as he bought some big bell peppers, I told him "just so you know, the Browns are going to beat the Steelers at least once this year."
He laughed and said it wouldn't surprise him....
flunkedthetesteverde always was the guy who just flipped out under pressure, and threw int's. It never stopped.
But he did have streaks of success here and there.
imhso,
Quinn was pulled because of Edwards' not getting open, bouncing passes off his hands like a hunk of hardwood,
and with the right side of the oline failing to do the job in pass protection,
it is better for a veteran player with a lot of experience to handle it as best he can.
They decided to go with quick hitting plays, and DA is the veteran qb on the team.
DA is Vinny Testeverde, he will always be what he is. Quinn hasn't become what he will be yet.
Not that that makes sense to everybody, but it's what I'm thinking.
at our booth at the farmer's market, a Steeler fan came up with his jacket and hat. I had my jacket and hat for the Browns,
so, as he bought some big bell peppers, I told him "just so you know, the Browns are going to beat the Steelers at least once this year."
He laughed and said it wouldn't surprise him....
flunkedthetesteverde always was the guy who just flipped out under pressure, and threw int's. It never stopped.
But he did have streaks of success here and there.
Calf,
Well stated and spot on! DA is a clone of Testeverde and we do not have enough info on Quinn yet. I just hope that he gets another shot in Cleveland with the ability to call his own plays because the play calling he had to deal with the first two and a half games was not what was needed to give him any chance to succeed.
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