Bernie Kosar says Brady Quinn could use a fresh start
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I think that sums it up and makes me feel even stronger in the opinion Quinn has had some sharp words with the staff and or teammates.
Bernie is right..he needs a fresh start.
The "it's tough" comment in reference to a trade isn't good...sounds like the offers are few, and so small it is hardly worth making the trade.
I think other teams see the attitude and see that as a big negative.
Players talk to players...word spreads around the league.
He can still pick up his $11 Mil if he takes 70% or more of the snaps next season as well. So benching him this year with an early hook was NOT all because of money.
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I didn't know that...I thought it was in the first 3 years...
Anyway....No, it wasn't all about money.
This blurb was in Sunday's PD (and posted in a thread here about Browns Contracts):
<<<< Quinn's bonuses worked like this: He could have earned up to $11 million if he had played 45 percent of the team's snaps in 2007 and 55 percent in 2008. Since he didn't, the bonus now requires that he play 70 percent of the snaps in 2009. If he fails to do that, the $11 million is still available if he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010. If he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010, it's $5.8 million. I had reported he also could make $11 million in 2010, which is incorrect. His base salary makes him affordable as a backup, while he can get a huge boost if he becomes a regular here or elsewhere.
Fans have been writing that Quinn was sent to the bench to avoid paying his bonus. Well, the best way to do that was to play Anderson starting in Game 1. Or to trade Quinn over the summer to Denver when the Broncos called. >>>>
This blurb was in Sunday's PD (and posted in a thread here about Browns Contracts):
<<<< Quinn's bonuses worked like this: He could have earned up to $11 million if he had played 45 percent of the team's snaps in 2007 and 55 percent in 2008. Since he didn't, the bonus now requires that he play 70 percent of the snaps in 2009. If he fails to do that, the $11 million is still available if he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010. If he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010, it's $5.8 million. I had reported he also could make $11 million in 2010, which is incorrect. His base salary makes him affordable as a backup, while he can get a huge boost if he becomes a regular here or elsewhere.
Fans have been writing that Quinn was sent to the bench to avoid paying his bonus. Well, the best way to do that was to play Anderson starting in Game 1. Or to trade Quinn over the summer to Denver when the Broncos called. >>>>
Thanks..I saw that on your other thread...seems like new info...i had never seen that part..always just in the first 3 years.
Good find
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even in light of that new (at least to me) info, that doesn't mean its not about money. he takes enough snaps for this year, he gets paid. he wont be here next year, so i dont think that much of the consideration. he's not worth 11 million, so just because he has the option to take the escalator for 2 consecutive years lends no credence to benching him being solely a function of play.
his play didn't match the money, which is more likely.
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I didn't know that...I thought it was in the first 3 years...
Anyway....No, it wasn't all about money.
This blurb was in Sunday's PD (and posted in a thread here about Browns Contracts):
<<<< Quinn's bonuses worked like this: He could have earned up to $11 million if he had played 45 percent of the team's snaps in 2007 and 55 percent in 2008. Since he didn't, the bonus now requires that he play 70 percent of the snaps in 2009. If he fails to do that, the $11 million is still available if he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010. If he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010, it's $5.8 million. I had reported he also could make $11 million in 2010, which is incorrect. His base salary makes him affordable as a backup, while he can get a huge boost if he becomes a regular here or elsewhere.
Fans have been writing that Quinn was sent to the bench to avoid paying his bonus. Well, the best way to do that was to play Anderson starting in Game 1. Or to trade Quinn over the summer to Denver when the Broncos called. >>>>
This blurb was in Sunday's PD (and posted in a thread here about Browns Contracts):
<<<< Quinn's bonuses worked like this: He could have earned up to $11 million if he had played 45 percent of the team's snaps in 2007 and 55 percent in 2008. Since he didn't, the bonus now requires that he play 70 percent of the snaps in 2009. If he fails to do that, the $11 million is still available if he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010. His base salary makes him affordable as a backup, while he can get a huge boost if he becomes a regular here or elsewhere.
Fans have been writing that Quinn was sent to the bench to avoid paying his bonus. Well, the best way to do that was to play Anderson starting in Game 1. Or to trade Quinn over the summer to Denver when the Broncos called. >>>>
There it is in black and white.
Sorry Quinn "backers"
From Pluto's Monday column:
Terry Pluto said:
Getting it right: In my Sunday notes, I was wrong about the incentives in Brady Quinn's contract. Yes, he will receive $11 million if he takes 70 percent of the snaps this season. If he takes 70 percent of the snaps in 2010, it's $5.8 million. I had reported he also could make $11 million in 2010, which is incorrect. -
Thanks...I knew I had never seen that before so it came as a complete change-up.
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Bernie knows dick.. he is still suffering from post concussion syndrome from that fastball I beaned him with when I was 11 in Boardman little league.. Not to mention all the hit's babette gave him. I loved bernie as a brown.. I have serious doubts about this consulting thing.
It is probably no different than the roles that Jim Brown and Paul Warfield play, both of whom are also "consultants" for the Browns. The role of these guys is to try to evaluate people who can be the next Jim Brown, Paul Warfield, and Bernie Kosar for this team. JB and PW have been on their roles for several years, they have yet to find anyone as good as themselves....can Bernie do any better?
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Good to see Bernie is already shooting his mouth off in his first few weeks as a "consultant." I hope he keeps it coming with the off-the-cuff comments. You know that has to piss Mangini off.
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Bernie knows dick.. he is still suffering from post concussion syndrome from that fastball I beaned him with when I was 11 in Boardman little league.. Not to mention all the hit's babette gave him. I loved bernie as a brown.. I have serious doubts about this consulting thing.
It is probably no different than the roles that Jim Brown and Paul Warfield play, both of whom are also "consultants" for the Browns. The role of these guys is to try to evaluate people who can be the next Jim Brown, Paul Warfield, and Bernie Kosar for this team. JB and PW have been on their roles for several years, they have yet to find anyone as good as themselves....can Bernie do any better?
It is probably no different than the roles that Jim Brown and Paul Warfield play, both of whom are also "consultants" for the Browns. The role of these guys is to try to evaluate people who can be the next Jim Brown, Paul Warfield, and Bernie Kosar for this team. JB and PW have been on their roles for several years, they have yet to find anyone as good as themselves....can Bernie do any better?
I'd fire Daboll, and put Bernie in as offensive coordinator. I've also officially lost interest in the Browns for this season (& this coming from a season ticket holder) assuming Mangini is content to think this long time fan is going to continue to watch the last rated qb in the league stink it up week after week, and add in the worst defense in the NFL as a side benefit.
I wish we had a puke emoticon to show my true feelings about the Browns right now. -
It is probably no different than the roles that Jim Brown and Paul Warfield play, both of whom are also "consultants" for the Browns. The role of these guys is to try to evaluate people who can be the next Jim Brown, Paul Warfield, and Bernie Kosar for this team. JB and PW have been on their roles for several years, they have yet to find anyone as good as themselves....can Bernie do any better?
I'd fire Daboll, and put Bernie in as offensive coordinator. I've also officially lost interest in the Browns for this season (& this coming from a season ticket holder) assuming Mangini is content to think this long time fan is going to continue to watch the last rated qb in the league stink it up week after week, and add in the worst defense in the NFL as a side benefit.
I wish we had a puke emoticon to show my true feelings about the Browns right now. I'd fire Daboll, and put Bernie in as offensive coordinator. I've also officially lost interest in the Browns for this season (& this coming from a season ticket holder) assuming Mangini is content to think this long time fan is going to continue to watch the last rated qb in the league stink it up week after week, and add in the worst defense in the NFL as a side benefit.
I wish we had a puke emoticon to show my true feelings about the Browns right now.Ask and ye shall receive
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No weapons have hurt both QBs?
That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
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Except for perhaps this...
Eric Mangini reaffirms support for Browns QB Derek Anderson, regardless of statistics.
mangini reminds me of a train coming into the station late. He should have done something like this months ago. If he was going to go with Anderson, he should have had the reps all along. If he was going with Quinn who has much more upside than Anderson, he should have gone with him. He already said that whoever won the QB comp. would get his support and yet they did not. Mangini created this problem and is now making it worse.
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Except for perhaps this...
Eric Mangini reaffirms support for Browns QB Derek Anderson, regardless of statistics.
mangini reminds me of a train coming into the station late. He should have done something like this months ago. If he was going to go with Anderson, he should have had the reps all along. If he was going with Quinn who has much more upside than Anderson, he should have gone with him. He already said that whoever won the QB comp. would get his support and yet they did not. Mangini created this problem and is now making it worse.
Except for perhaps this...
mangini reminds me of a train coming into the station late. He should have done something like this months ago. If he was going to go with Anderson, he should have had the reps all along. If he was going with Quinn who has much more upside than Anderson, he should have gone with him. He already said that whoever won the QB comp. would get his support and yet they did not. Mangini created this problem and is now making it worse.
Takes a Steeler fan to insert some objectivity. Thanks.
Mangini's actons speak volumes. Effectively here's what he's telling Browns fans: " IMO Brady Quinn has less potential than a whale turd sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Trust me."
You had damn well better be right Eric. It's gonna get real ugly at home games if Anderson continues to stink.
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I would like to know what makes anybody think that BQ has more upside than DA? Now the way it has looked to me is that both QBs suck but Anderson at least allows the Browns to have some type of running game.
Neither is the long term answer and the way that DA is playing the coaches who see them both everyday must really see no potential in BQ.
I don't think you can blame the coach if both QBs suck and for playing the one that they think at least gives them a chance to win. DA is hot and cold but he does give them a chance to win if he gets hot. BQ has not shown that ability and must not have shown it in practice either.
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I would like to know what makes anybody think that BQ has more upside than DA? Now the way it has looked to me is that both QBs suck but Anderson at least allows the Browns to have some type of running game.
Neither is the long term answer and the way that DA is playing the coaches who see them both everyday must really see no potential in BQ.
I don't think you can blame the coach if both QBs suck and for playing the one that they think at least gives them a chance to win. DA is hot and cold but he does give them a chance to win if he gets hot. BQ has not shown that ability and must not have shown it in practice either.
I would like to know what makes anybody think that BQ has more upside than DA? Now the way it has looked to me is that both QBs suck but Anderson at least allows the Browns to have some type of running game.
Neither is the long term answer and the way that DA is playing the coaches who see them both everyday must really see no potential in BQ.
I don't think you can blame the coach if both QBs suck and for playing the one that they think at least gives them a chance to win. DA is hot and cold but he does give them a chance to win if he gets hot. BQ has not shown that ability and must not have shown it in practice either.
ummmm Da has 2 td's.....6 picks and 2 lost fumbles..... a three legged dog has more upside
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It is probably no different than the roles that Jim Brown and Paul Warfield play, both of whom are also "consultants" for the Browns. The role of these guys is to try to evaluate people who can be the next Jim Brown, Paul Warfield, and Bernie Kosar for this team. JB and PW have been on their roles for several years, they have yet to find anyone as good as themselves....can Bernie do any better?
I'd fire Daboll, and put Bernie in as offensive coordinator. I've also officially lost interest in the Browns for this season (& this coming from a season ticket holder) assuming Mangini is content to think this long time fan is going to continue to watch the last rated qb in the league stink it up week after week, and add in the worst defense in the NFL as a side benefit.
I wish we had a puke emoticon to show my true feelings about the Browns right now. I've also officially lost interest in the Browns for this season
You have a problem then....and the problem is me....like it or not you are a friend and I don't let friends quit.
Just letting you know....by morning the attitude needs to change.
Cowboy up man...dust off and give it another ride.
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