Let's give up on these guys
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Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
I'm in agreement with you. Seven starts for a guy drafted in the first round? Has to be the quickest hook for a quarterback drafted that high in the history of the NFL.
Career 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 48.4 3666 14 2.1 36 5.5 83 5.6 3.6 11.6 146.6 50.0 65 377 4.6 2.7 9.0 3
I'll save you the suspense on the above stats- they belong to Ryan Leaf, arguably the biggest qb bust ever. 21 starts, 50 qb rating.
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
I'm in agreement with you. Seven starts for a guy drafted in the first round? Has to be the quickest hook for a quarterback drafted that high in the history of the NFL.
Career 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 48.4 3666 14 2.1 36 5.5 83 5.6 3.6 11.6 146.6 50.0 65 377 4.6 2.7 9.0 3
I'll save you the suspense on the above stats- they belong to Ryan Leaf, arguably the biggest qb bust ever. 21 starts, 50 qb rating.
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
At least Leaf got 21 starts. Quinn has had only 6. One of the games Quinn appeared in was not a start.
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Bullshit. You have no more perception about this situation than anyone else, including me. Your prejudices do not constitute knowledge.
as evidenced by who's playing, the Quinn fans seem to have less perception.
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OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
Quinn's career stats: 7 games played. 6 starts. 93 of 171. 54.4% completion rate. 963 yards. 3 TDs. 1.8% TD%
5 Ints. 2.9% int. rate. 5.6 yds/att. 64.5 Rating
11 sacks. 6.0% sack rate.
Compare DA: 35 games played. 27 starts. 554 of 1035. 53.5% completion rate. 6701 yards. 45 TDs. 4.3% TD %
41 Ints. 4.0% Int.%. 6.5 yds/att. 71.7 Rating
42 sacks. 3.9% sack rate.
Look, who knows what could happen. Niether if these guys have had quality careers to date.
All I want to know is if Quinn can be the next Brett Favre...or the next Ryan Leaf. And I don't know either way. I say give him 20 games...same as was give Leaf, same as was given Charlie Frye, to find out.
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Brady Quinn sat on the bench for 2 years, he should have performed better than a rookie
nmills said:
Brady Quinn sat on the bench for 2 years, he should have performed better than a rookieSome would say he has performed as well or better than the 5 year veteran we have starting! When is that vet going to start performing better than a rookie?
Any QB, coach, whatever, will tell you that EXPERIENCE is a key to how a QB can perform.
I bet if you looked at Bernie Kosar's first 6 games as a starter, or Brian Sipes, their statistics would not be that much better.
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Bullshit. You have no more perception about this situation than anyone else, including me. Your prejudices do not constitute knowledge.
as evidenced by who's playing, the Quinn fans seem to have less perception.
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How about these bums. Should they not have been given up on? Stats from first games:
QB #1: 10 games, 5 starts. 59 of 108 for 54.6% completion rate. 605 yards. 5.6 yds/att.
1 TD. 0.9% TD rate. 7 ints. 6.5% ints rate
47.0 Rating. 15 sacks for a 12.2% sack rate
QB#2: 12 games, 10 starts. 124 of 248 for 50% completion rate. 1578 yards 6.4 yds/att
8 TDs. 3.2 % TD rate. 7 ints. 2.8% int rate
69.3 rating. 19 sacks for a 7.1 % sack rating
In a lot of ways, Quinn's stats are superior to most of these.
FYI, QB #1 was Sipe, QB #2 Kosar.
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nmills said:
Brady Quinn sat on the bench for 2 years, he should have performed better than a rookieSome would say he has performed as well or better than the 5 year veteran we have starting! When is that vet going to start performing better than a rookie?
Any QB, coach, whatever, will tell you that EXPERIENCE is a key to how a QB can perform.
I bet if you looked at Bernie Kosar's first 6 games as a starter, or Brian Sipes, their statistics would not be that much better.
Some would say he has performed as well or better than the 5 year veteran we have starting! When is that vet going to start performing better than a rookie?
Any QB, coach, whatever, will tell you that EXPERIENCE is a key to how a QB can perform.
I bet if you looked at Bernie Kosar's first 6 games as a starter, or Brian Sipes, their statistics would not be that much better.
If you looked at DA's first couple games, he would be superior to all of them. Every QB has a period were he struggles. Last year and the beginning of this year have been it for DA. Why are you so anxious to pull the hook on DA and not let him develope but you wont pull in on BQ. Also DA is not a 5 year vet, he has maybe a total of 2 years of playing experience. Think about that, would you give up on Montana, Elway, Sipe or Kosar after to years?
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How about these bums. Should they not have been given up on? Stats from first games:
QB #1: 10 games, 5 starts. 59 of 108 for 54.6% completion rate. 605 yards. 5.6 yds/att.
1 TD. 0.9% TD rate. 7 ints. 6.5% ints rate
47.0 Rating. 15 sacks for a 12.2% sack rate
QB#2: 12 games, 10 starts. 124 of 248 for 50% completion rate. 1578 yards 6.4 yds/att
8 TDs. 3.2 % TD rate. 7 ints. 2.8% int rate
69.3 rating. 19 sacks for a 7.1 % sack rating
In a lot of ways, Quinn's stats are superior to most of these.
FYI, QB #1 was Sipe, QB #2 Kosar.
How about these bums. Should they not have been given up on? Stats from first games:
QB #1: 10 games, 5 starts. 59 of 108 for 54.6% completion rate. 605 yards. 5.6 yds/att.
1 TD. 0.9% TD rate. 7 ints. 6.5% ints rate
47.0 Rating. 15 sacks for a 12.2% sack rate
QB#2: 12 games, 10 starts. 124 of 248 for 50% completion rate. 1578 yards 6.4 yds/att
8 TDs. 3.2 % TD rate. 7 ints. 2.8% int rate
69.3 rating. 19 sacks for a 7.1 % sack rating
In a lot of ways, Quinn's stats are superior to most of these.
FYI, QB #1 was Sipe, QB #2 Kosar.
Order of completion %: BS, BQ, BK
Order of TD%: BK, BQ, BS
Order of Int.%: BK, BQ, BS
Order of yds/att: BK, tie BQ and BS
Order of Rating: BK, BQ, BS
Order of Sack %: BQ, BK, BS
Also, yards per game: BQ 137.6, BK 131.0, BS 60.3
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Yes, Quinn sure did do a lot of stat padding in garbage time, when teams were more than willing to give up the dink and dunk plays, didn't he?
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
This is a what have you done for me lately league. Don't make me post Anderson's stats for this year. The guy has regressed badly.
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how many different ways can we mask a post that BQ was wronged?
kinda like a tootsie pop....
but then you went and typed this gem...."And those professional talent evaluators are the know all and be of everything, right? Remember, they work for the Browns who haven't been able to judge decent talent for 10 years. "
lets see, cause you make a good point. those same people that you charge can't evalutate talent for the last 10 years are the guys that pulled the trigger on the domer, and gave away picks while doing it. the next regime, whom you are trying your best to lump in with the likes of savage, have said, thru actions, that the domer isn't worth a damn and isn't worth looking at any further.
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Some would say he has performed as well or better than the 5 year veteran we have starting! When is that vet going to start performing better than a rookie?
Any QB, coach, whatever, will tell you that EXPERIENCE is a key to how a QB can perform.
I bet if you looked at Bernie Kosar's first 6 games as a starter, or Brian Sipes, their statistics would not be that much better.
If you looked at DA's first couple games, he would be superior to all of them. Every QB has a period were he struggles. Last year and the beginning of this year have been it for DA. Why are you so anxious to pull the hook on DA and not let him develope but you wont pull in on BQ. Also DA is not a 5 year vet, he has maybe a total of 2 years of playing experience. Think about that, would you give up on Montana, Elway, Sipe or Kosar after to years?
nmills said:
If you looked at DA's first couple games, he would be superior to all of them. Every QB has a period were he struggles. Last year and the beginning of this year have been it for DA. Why are you so anxious to pull the hook on DA and not let him develope but you wont pull in on BQ. Also DA is not a 5 year vet, he has maybe a total of 2 years of playing experience. Think about that, would you give up on Montana, Elway, Sipe or Kosar after to years?Your point has some validity. DA has played in 35 games, started 27. That is just around 2 full seasons of games.
The problem with DA is that he has not shown any progression. Quite the opposite, he seems to have regressed. Plus he has at least had that time....more than Charlie Frye, more than Ryan Leaf, to prove himself. WE think we know what we have with DA. We have no clue with BQ.
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How many of you here are named Eric Mangini ?
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how many different ways can we mask a post that BQ was wronged?
kinda like a tootsie pop....
but then you went and typed this gem...."And those professional talent evaluators are the know all and be of everything, right? Remember, they work for the Browns who haven't been able to judge decent talent for 10 years. "
lets see, cause you make a good point. those same people that you charge can't evalutate talent for the last 10 years are the guys that pulled the trigger on the domer, and gave away picks while doing it. the next regime, whom you are trying your best to lump in with the likes of savage, have said, thru actions, that the domer isn't worth a damn and isn't worth looking at any further.
how many different ways can we mask a post that BQ was wronged?
kinda like a tootsie pop....
but then you went and typed this gem...."And those professional talent evaluators are the know all and be of everything, right? Remember, they work for the Browns who haven't been able to judge decent talent for 10 years. "
lets see, cause you make a good point. those same people that you charge can't evalutate talent for the last 10 years are the guys that pulled the trigger on the domer, and gave away picks while doing it. the next regime, whom you are trying your best to lump in with the likes of savage, have said, thru actions, that the domer isn't worth a damn and isn't worth looking at any further.
I am not sure I follow what point you are trying to make. Suffice it to say, that yes, the last 10 years of Browns personell selection has been exceedingly poor. I simply would like to confirm, either way, whether the selection of BQ was a continuation of this poor performance or not. The only way to judge that is to see him play.
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nmills said:
If you looked at DA's first couple games, he would be superior to all of them. Every QB has a period were he struggles. Last year and the beginning of this year have been it for DA. Why are you so anxious to pull the hook on DA and not let him develope but you wont pull in on BQ. Also DA is not a 5 year vet, he has maybe a total of 2 years of playing experience. Think about that, would you give up on Montana, Elway, Sipe or Kosar after to years?Your point has some validity. DA has played in 35 games, started 27. That is just around 2 full seasons of games.
The problem with DA is that he has not shown any progression. Quite the opposite, he seems to have regressed. Plus he has at least had that time....more than Charlie Frye, more than Ryan Leaf, to prove himself. WE think we know what we have with DA. We have no clue with BQ.
Your point has some validity. DA has played in 35 games, started 27. That is just around 2 full seasons of games.
The problem with DA is that he has not shown any progression. Quite the opposite, he seems to have regressed. Plus he has at least had that time....more than Charlie Frye, more than Ryan Leaf, to prove himself. WE think we know what we have with DA. We have no clue with BQ.
If you looked at stats which you seem to do alot, they would tell you he's the worst QB in the league. But in reality if you watch the game's you can see why his stats are so bad. If passes werent dropped on third down they would sustain drives longer, give the offense confidence and keep the D off the field and maybe score more. DA isn't as bad a QB you make him out to be, and he has shown improvements this year even though its not showing up in the stats or scoreboard right now. I beleive it will in the future and on a more consitent basis.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
How many of you here are named Eric Mangini ?
How many of you here are named Eric Mangini ?
good point, people can talk about how Queen was "wronged" until they are blue in the face, but they don't know jack about what is going on behind closed doors. Obviously the coaching staff wants nothing to do with him, for one reason or another.
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Your point has some validity. DA has played in 35 games, started 27. That is just around 2 full seasons of games.
The problem with DA is that he has not shown any progression. Quite the opposite, he seems to have regressed. Plus he has at least had that time....more than Charlie Frye, more than Ryan Leaf, to prove himself. WE think we know what we have with DA. We have no clue with BQ.
If you looked at stats which you seem to do alot, they would tell you he's the worst QB in the league. But in reality if you watch the game's you can see why his stats are so bad. If passes werent dropped on third down they would sustain drives longer, give the offense confidence and keep the D off the field and maybe score more. DA isn't as bad a QB you make him out to be, and he has shown improvements this year even though its not showing up in the stats or scoreboard right now. I beleive it will in the future and on a more consitent basis.
nmills said:
If you looked at stats which you seem to do alot, they would tell you he's the worst QB in the league. But in reality if you watch the game's you can see why his stats are so bad. If passes werent dropped on third down they would sustain drives longer, give the offense confidence and keep the D off the field and maybe score more. DA isn't as bad a QB you make him out to be, and he has shown improvements this year even though its not showing up in the stats or scoreboard right now. I beleive it will in the future and on a more consitent basis.exactly. Take a look at Queen's stats when the Browns are down by 14 or less and they will be a lot worse. He did a lot of garbage time padding.
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What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
Quinn's career stats: 7 games played. 6 starts. 93 of 171. 54.4% completion rate. 963 yards. 3 TDs. 1.8% TD%
5 Ints. 2.9% int. rate. 5.6 yds/att. 64.5 Rating
11 sacks. 6.0% sack rate.
Compare DA: 35 games played. 27 starts. 554 of 1035. 53.5% completion rate. 6701 yards. 45 TDs. 4.3% TD %
41 Ints. 4.0% Int.%. 6.5 yds/att. 71.7 Rating
42 sacks. 3.9% sack rate.
Look, who knows what could happen. Niether if these guys have had quality careers to date.
All I want to know is if Quinn can be the next Brett Favre...or the next Ryan Leaf. And I don't know either way. I say give him 20 games...same as was give Leaf, same as was given Charlie Frye, to find out.
All I want to know is if Quinn can be the next Brett Favre
The answer is no.
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Why bother arguing with him, haven't you fvcktards learned he isn't going to use his brain now? He never has.
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