Let's give up on these guys
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Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
I'm in agreement with you. Seven starts for a guy drafted in the first round? Has to be the quickest hook for a quarterback drafted that high in the history of the NFL.
Career 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 48.4 3666 14 2.1 36 5.5 83 5.6 3.6 11.6 146.6 50.0 65 377 4.6 2.7 9.0 3
I'll save you the suspense on the above stats- they belong to Ryan Leaf, arguably the biggest qb bust ever. 21 starts, 50 qb rating.
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
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GIPPER:
Not enough info.... you cannot just go by stats to make these decisions.. this seems like a suckers post..or you think people are dumb here or something. There are many more factors involved that the few stats you post up there when it comes to developing players and a team.
for example these are Elway's rookie stats when he was known as the 7mil dollar bust
123 completions 259 attempts 47.5 completion % 1,663 yards 6.4 yards per completion 7td's 14 int's..
Denver knows a young player struggles.. you cannot go just by stats. I am not saying we have any elways but just saying.. Jerry rice had the dropsies his rookie year and was terrible also
GIPPER:
Not enough info.... you cannot just go by stats to make these decisions.. this seems like a suckers post..or you think people are dumb here or something. There are many more factors involved that the few stats you post up there when it comes to developing players and a team.
for example these are Elway's rookie stats when he was known as the 7mil dollar bust
123 completions 259 attempts 47.5 completion % 1,663 yards 6.4 yards per completion 7td's 14 int's..
Denver knows a young player struggles.. you cannot go just by stats. I am not saying we have any elways but just saying.. Jerry rice had the dropsies his rookie year and was terrible also
Well, I think you are making my point exactly. Clearly it was a facetious post about dumping guys who have barely gotten grass stains on their uniforms. The point is, the Broncos stuck with Elway, and gave him a chance. BQ has had 7 career games, 171 pass attempts, on which he has about a 60% completion rate or so. I am not saying he is Elway, But he should be given some kind of a chance to show what he has....or doesn't have.
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How do you or any other motherf***er, including Mangini and Crennell tell if he has game? He hasn't been in enough
f(((ing games to tell. OK, in 2 of his seven games he lost to teams that now have a combined 12-0 record. He wasn't able to match up to that competition. Name me the players on this Cleveland Browns team that did hold their own in those games? Maybe Joe Thomas and that's about it. No one on defense. No skill players on offense.
In addition to his 7 regular season games he also played in 11 preseason games, starting 4. That's action in 18 games.
He's been the same dink n dunker the entire time. You know it. I know it.
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Brady Quinn sat on the bench for 2 years, he should have performed better than a rookie
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do.
I do. So does the team.
I do. So does the team.
Bullshit. You have no more perception about this situation than anyone else, including me. Your prejudices do not constitute knowledge.
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Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
Charlie Frye was with the Browns for a SHORTER time than Quinn. It isn't all about the games played, there's a couple years of preseasons, a couple years of spring ball, a couple years of practice. Two coaching staffs have been reluctant to start Quinn long term, it could possibly be that after watching him for months in practice they just weren't sold on the kid. You''ve got "no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do", but apparently the professional judges of talent feel they do.
Charlie Frye was with the Browns for a SHORTER time than Quinn. It isn't all about the games played, there's a couple years of preseasons, a couple years of spring ball, a couple years of practice. Two coaching staffs have been reluctant to start Quinn long term, it could possibly be that after watching him for months in practice they just weren't sold on the kid. You''ve got "no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do", but apparently the professional judges of talent feel they do.
And those professional talent evaluators are the know all and be of everything, right? Remember, they work for the Browns who haven't been able to judge decent talent for 10 years. Besides, the professional talent evaluators told the Falcons that a kid they drafted couldn't make it, so he should be traded. His name was Favre, Brett Favre. Profesional talent evaluators on the Steelers some years ago said a kid named Unitas should be cut. Maybe Quinn is Unitas, maybe he is Mike Phipps, but at least Phipps got the opportunity to prove that he completely sucked. I am not convinced that Quinn is great, but neither am I convinced the other way either.
I just don't know. And NONE of you know. And the Browns don't know. And my point is that it is equally invalid to judge Quinn after 7 games as it is to judge Massaquoi or Robiskie after 4 or 5 games.
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Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
I'm in agreement with you. Seven starts for a guy drafted in the first round? Has to be the quickest hook for a quarterback drafted that high in the history of the NFL.
Career 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 48.4 3666 14 2.1 36 5.5 83 5.6 3.6 11.6 146.6 50.0 65 377 4.6 2.7 9.0 3
I'll save you the suspense on the above stats- they belong to Ryan Leaf, arguably the biggest qb bust ever. 21 starts, 50 qb rating.
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
I'm in agreement with you. Seven starts for a guy drafted in the first round? Has to be the quickest hook for a quarterback drafted that high in the history of the NFL.
Career 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 48.4 3666 14 2.1 36 5.5 83 5.6 3.6 11.6 146.6 50.0 65 377 4.6 2.7 9.0 3
I'll save you the suspense on the above stats- they belong to Ryan Leaf, arguably the biggest qb bust ever. 21 starts, 50 qb rating.
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
At least Leaf got 21 starts. Quinn has had only 6. One of the games Quinn appeared in was not a start.
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Bullshit. You have no more perception about this situation than anyone else, including me. Your prejudices do not constitute knowledge.
as evidenced by who's playing, the Quinn fans seem to have less perception.
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OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
Quinn's career stats: 7 games played. 6 starts. 93 of 171. 54.4% completion rate. 963 yards. 3 TDs. 1.8% TD%
5 Ints. 2.9% int. rate. 5.6 yds/att. 64.5 Rating
11 sacks. 6.0% sack rate.
Compare DA: 35 games played. 27 starts. 554 of 1035. 53.5% completion rate. 6701 yards. 45 TDs. 4.3% TD %
41 Ints. 4.0% Int.%. 6.5 yds/att. 71.7 Rating
42 sacks. 3.9% sack rate.
Look, who knows what could happen. Niether if these guys have had quality careers to date.
All I want to know is if Quinn can be the next Brett Favre...or the next Ryan Leaf. And I don't know either way. I say give him 20 games...same as was give Leaf, same as was given Charlie Frye, to find out.
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Brady Quinn sat on the bench for 2 years, he should have performed better than a rookie
nmills said:
Brady Quinn sat on the bench for 2 years, he should have performed better than a rookieSome would say he has performed as well or better than the 5 year veteran we have starting! When is that vet going to start performing better than a rookie?
Any QB, coach, whatever, will tell you that EXPERIENCE is a key to how a QB can perform.
I bet if you looked at Bernie Kosar's first 6 games as a starter, or Brian Sipes, their statistics would not be that much better.
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Bullshit. You have no more perception about this situation than anyone else, including me. Your prejudices do not constitute knowledge.
as evidenced by who's playing, the Quinn fans seem to have less perception.
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How about these bums. Should they not have been given up on? Stats from first games:
QB #1: 10 games, 5 starts. 59 of 108 for 54.6% completion rate. 605 yards. 5.6 yds/att.
1 TD. 0.9% TD rate. 7 ints. 6.5% ints rate
47.0 Rating. 15 sacks for a 12.2% sack rate
QB#2: 12 games, 10 starts. 124 of 248 for 50% completion rate. 1578 yards 6.4 yds/att
8 TDs. 3.2 % TD rate. 7 ints. 2.8% int rate
69.3 rating. 19 sacks for a 7.1 % sack rating
In a lot of ways, Quinn's stats are superior to most of these.
FYI, QB #1 was Sipe, QB #2 Kosar.
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nmills said:
Brady Quinn sat on the bench for 2 years, he should have performed better than a rookieSome would say he has performed as well or better than the 5 year veteran we have starting! When is that vet going to start performing better than a rookie?
Any QB, coach, whatever, will tell you that EXPERIENCE is a key to how a QB can perform.
I bet if you looked at Bernie Kosar's first 6 games as a starter, or Brian Sipes, their statistics would not be that much better.
Some would say he has performed as well or better than the 5 year veteran we have starting! When is that vet going to start performing better than a rookie?
Any QB, coach, whatever, will tell you that EXPERIENCE is a key to how a QB can perform.
I bet if you looked at Bernie Kosar's first 6 games as a starter, or Brian Sipes, their statistics would not be that much better.
If you looked at DA's first couple games, he would be superior to all of them. Every QB has a period were he struggles. Last year and the beginning of this year have been it for DA. Why are you so anxious to pull the hook on DA and not let him develope but you wont pull in on BQ. Also DA is not a 5 year vet, he has maybe a total of 2 years of playing experience. Think about that, would you give up on Montana, Elway, Sipe or Kosar after to years?
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
How about these bums. Should they not have been given up on? Stats from first games:
QB #1: 10 games, 5 starts. 59 of 108 for 54.6% completion rate. 605 yards. 5.6 yds/att.
1 TD. 0.9% TD rate. 7 ints. 6.5% ints rate
47.0 Rating. 15 sacks for a 12.2% sack rate
QB#2: 12 games, 10 starts. 124 of 248 for 50% completion rate. 1578 yards 6.4 yds/att
8 TDs. 3.2 % TD rate. 7 ints. 2.8% int rate
69.3 rating. 19 sacks for a 7.1 % sack rating
In a lot of ways, Quinn's stats are superior to most of these.
FYI, QB #1 was Sipe, QB #2 Kosar.
How about these bums. Should they not have been given up on? Stats from first games:
QB #1: 10 games, 5 starts. 59 of 108 for 54.6% completion rate. 605 yards. 5.6 yds/att.
1 TD. 0.9% TD rate. 7 ints. 6.5% ints rate
47.0 Rating. 15 sacks for a 12.2% sack rate
QB#2: 12 games, 10 starts. 124 of 248 for 50% completion rate. 1578 yards 6.4 yds/att
8 TDs. 3.2 % TD rate. 7 ints. 2.8% int rate
69.3 rating. 19 sacks for a 7.1 % sack rating
In a lot of ways, Quinn's stats are superior to most of these.
FYI, QB #1 was Sipe, QB #2 Kosar.
Order of completion %: BS, BQ, BK
Order of TD%: BK, BQ, BS
Order of Int.%: BK, BQ, BS
Order of yds/att: BK, tie BQ and BS
Order of Rating: BK, BQ, BS
Order of Sack %: BQ, BK, BS
Also, yards per game: BQ 137.6, BK 131.0, BS 60.3
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Yes, Quinn sure did do a lot of stat padding in garbage time, when teams were more than willing to give up the dink and dunk plays, didn't he?
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
This is a what have you done for me lately league. Don't make me post Anderson's stats for this year. The guy has regressed badly.
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how many different ways can we mask a post that BQ was wronged?
kinda like a tootsie pop....
but then you went and typed this gem...."And those professional talent evaluators are the know all and be of everything, right? Remember, they work for the Browns who haven't been able to judge decent talent for 10 years. "
lets see, cause you make a good point. those same people that you charge can't evalutate talent for the last 10 years are the guys that pulled the trigger on the domer, and gave away picks while doing it. the next regime, whom you are trying your best to lump in with the likes of savage, have said, thru actions, that the domer isn't worth a damn and isn't worth looking at any further.
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Some would say he has performed as well or better than the 5 year veteran we have starting! When is that vet going to start performing better than a rookie?
Any QB, coach, whatever, will tell you that EXPERIENCE is a key to how a QB can perform.
I bet if you looked at Bernie Kosar's first 6 games as a starter, or Brian Sipes, their statistics would not be that much better.
If you looked at DA's first couple games, he would be superior to all of them. Every QB has a period were he struggles. Last year and the beginning of this year have been it for DA. Why are you so anxious to pull the hook on DA and not let him develope but you wont pull in on BQ. Also DA is not a 5 year vet, he has maybe a total of 2 years of playing experience. Think about that, would you give up on Montana, Elway, Sipe or Kosar after to years?
nmills said:
If you looked at DA's first couple games, he would be superior to all of them. Every QB has a period were he struggles. Last year and the beginning of this year have been it for DA. Why are you so anxious to pull the hook on DA and not let him develope but you wont pull in on BQ. Also DA is not a 5 year vet, he has maybe a total of 2 years of playing experience. Think about that, would you give up on Montana, Elway, Sipe or Kosar after to years?Your point has some validity. DA has played in 35 games, started 27. That is just around 2 full seasons of games.
The problem with DA is that he has not shown any progression. Quite the opposite, he seems to have regressed. Plus he has at least had that time....more than Charlie Frye, more than Ryan Leaf, to prove himself. WE think we know what we have with DA. We have no clue with BQ.
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