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  • perhaps giving this guys a proper more time to prove their worth

  • perhaps giving this guys a proper more time to prove their worth

    @insidenation said:

    perhaps giving this guys a proper more time to prove their worth

    Just exactly how much time should they be given? I'm pretty much in favor of smacking them in the head with a big board to see if it will do any good.

    I think Anderson has been given more than enough rope and hasn't show ME anything. I'm dying to know what the coaches see that encourages them to keep him in. I miss seeing those nice little across the middle passes that Quinn is good at. Honestly I'm not that enamoured with either of these QBs. I just hate sitting on pins and needles waiting for the inevitable INT at a key moment.

  • @the-gipper said:

    My suspicions actually are proven correct on 2 accounts: DA has probably thrown 2.5 time more passes than BQ, thus he HAS had his proportionate share of drops

    at the time of those stats Anderson had thrown 84 passes, Quinn 93.

    So no, you're wrong again.

    @lumbergh said:

    at the time of those stats Anderson had thrown 84 passes, Quinn 93.

    So no, you're wrong again.

    I am right that DA apparently throws an uncatchable ball. Otherwise how would you account for the disparity?

  • @the-gipper said:

    Here are the stats of some guys that, apparently, given their propensity, the Browns should give up on:

    Player 1: 5 career games played. 16 career catches. 278 career yards. -0- career TDs

    Player 2: 2 career games played. 1 career catch. 23 career yards. -0- career TDs

    Player 3: 2 career games played. 9 career runs. 15 career yards. -0- career TDs

    Player 4: 4 career games played. 5 career tackles.

    Player 5: 67 career games played. 25 career catches. 192 receiving yards. 1 receiving TD.

    Player 6. 38 career games played. 138 career carries. 676 career yards. 1 rushing TD.

    Player 7. 16 career games played. 13 career tackles. 1 caused fumble

    Player 8: 7 career games played. 95 career completions. 963 career yards. 3 career TDs. 5 career ints. 11 sacks

    Let me know if you think all of these guys should be dumped.

    Sorry Gipper...I am sure those are are all great players...we could list hundreds with similar numbers who totally sucked.

    Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but in the end there are more losers who dick around with a poor player than those who let a good player go.

    Just go with the odds, you will come out ahead...

    @ballpeen said:

    Sorry Gipper...I am sure those are are all great players...we could list hundreds with similar numbers who totally sucked.

    Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but in the end there are more losers who dick around with a poor player than those who let a good player go.

    Just go with the odds, you will come out ahead...

    My point on all the player stats I listed are that they are all young, unproven players who by no means should be given up on....including Quinn, and MoMass, and Robo etc. etc.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Quinn's career stats: 7 games played. 6 starts. 93 of 171. 54.4% completion rate. 963 yards. 3 TDs. 1.8% TD%

    5 Ints. 2.9% int. rate. 5.6 yds/att. 64.5 Rating

    11 sacks. 6.0% sack rate.

    Compare DA: 35 games played. 27 starts. 554 of 1035. 53.5% completion rate. 6701 yards. 45 TDs. 4.3% TD %

    41 Ints. 4.0% Int.%. 6.5 yds/att. 71.7 Rating

    42 sacks. 3.9% sack rate.

    Look, who knows what could happen. Niether if these guys have had quality careers to date.

    All I want to know is if Quinn can be the next Brett Favre...or the next Ryan Leaf. And I don't know either way. I say give him 20 games...same as was give Leaf, same as was given Charlie Frye, to find out.

    So since Ryan Leaf was given 20 starts, the Browns should give Brady Quinn 20 starts to see if he's the next Ryan Leaf. Just great.

    By the way, if you hadn't noticed, Mangini actually coached Farve. He might have a clue on if Quinn is the next Farve.

    @drunkandstoopid said:

    So since Ryan Leaf was given 20 starts, the Browns should give Brady Quinn 20 starts to see if he's the next Ryan Leaf. Just great.

    By the way, if you hadn't noticed, Mangini actually coached Farve. He might have a clue on if Quinn is the next Farve.

    Well, we should give him at least 20 starts to see if he is maybe not Favre, but perhaps the next Brian Sipe. Quinn certainly has a stronger arm on him than Sipe did.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Order of completion %: BS, BQ, BK

    Order of TD%: BK, BQ, BS

    Order of Int.%: BK, BQ, BS

    Order of yds/att: BK, tie BQ and BS

    Order of Rating: BK, BQ, BS

    Order of Sack %: BQ, BK, BS

    Also, yards per game: BQ 137.6, BK 131.0, BS 60.3

    Now Add DA's first season of starts and do the order... that'd be an even way to measure things.

    @drunkandstoopid said:

    Now Add DA's first season of starts and do the order... that'd be an even way to measure things.

    I suspect that DAs first season stats would far surpass those of Quinn, Kosar,and Sipe. Here they are, lets see:

    DA was 66/117 56.4% completion rate for 793 yards. 5 TDs for a 4.3% TD rate.

    8 Ints. for a 6.8 % int. rate. 6.8 Yds/att. 158 yds per game avg.

    8 sacks for a 6.4% sack rate

  • @drunkandstoopid said:

    So since Ryan Leaf was given 20 starts, the Browns should give Brady Quinn 20 starts to see if he's the next Ryan Leaf. Just great.

    By the way, if you hadn't noticed, Mangini actually coached Farve. He might have a clue on if Quinn is the next Farve.

    Well, we should give him at least 20 starts to see if he is maybe not Favre, but perhaps the next Brian Sipe. Quinn certainly has a stronger arm on him than Sipe did.

    @the-gipper said:

    Quinn certainly has a stronger arm on him than Sipe did.[/color]

    to go with a fraction of the decision making capability...

  • @drunkandstoopid said:

    Now Add DA's first season of starts and do the order... that'd be an even way to measure things.

    I suspect that DAs first season stats would far surpass those of Quinn, Kosar,and Sipe. Here they are, lets see:

    DA was 66/117 56.4% completion rate for 793 yards. 5 TDs for a 4.3% TD rate.

    8 Ints. for a 6.8 % int. rate. 6.8 Yds/att. 158 yds per game avg.

    8 sacks for a 6.4% sack rate

    @the-gipper said:

    I suspect that DAs first season stats would far surpass those of Quinn, Kosar,and Sipe. Here they are, lets see:

    DA was 66/117 56.4% completion rate for 793 yards. 5 TDs for a 4.3% TD rate.

    8 Ints. for a 6.8 % int. rate. 6.8 Yds/att. 158 yds per game avg.

    8 sacks for a 6.4% sack rate

    And here is the new ranking:

    Best completion %: Sipe, DA, BQ, BK

    Mosts yds/att.: DA, BK, tie BS and BQ

    Best TD%: DA, BK, BQ, BS

    Lowest Int. %: BK, BQ, DA, BS

    Lowest sack %: BQ, DA, BK, BS

    Rating: BK, BQ, DA, BS

  • @the-gipper said:

    Quinn certainly has a stronger arm on him than Sipe did.[/color]

    to go with a fraction of the decision making capability...

    @choco said:

    to go with a fraction of the decision making capability...

    Perhaps you are too young to recall, but Brian Sipe spent was drafted by the Browns in 1972 and spent his first 2 years on the Taxi Squad. He didn't even see action in an NFL game until 1974, then he spent 2 more seasons as the backup to Mike Phipps before finally being given/earning the starting job. So, apparently the Browns coaches at the time didn't think much of his decision making capability for quite some time.

    All Sipe needed was experience. Perhaps all Quinn needs is experience.

  • yeah, but sipe didn't whine and cry on the sideline because he didn't get his way. he didn't isolate himself from the team, he didn't get a bad attitude because he wasn't spoon fed something he didn't deserve.

    sorry, im done with this. you can't even defend your position, so its not really worth arguing. there is no logical way you can bash the past FO for horrible draft after horrible draft, then contend that one of those picks (who happens to be a local favorite, so no bias there) is gonna be a star. so given that your argument is based on emotion rather than real observations and logic, there will be no changing your mind.

    but you could just deal with it, rather than make continued attempts to convince the wrong people that youre right.

  • yeah, but sipe didn't whine and cry on the sideline because he didn't get his way. he didn't isolate himself from the team, he didn't get a bad attitude because he wasn't spoon fed something he didn't deserve.

    sorry, im done with this. you can't even defend your position, so its not really worth arguing. there is no logical way you can bash the past FO for horrible draft after horrible draft, then contend that one of those picks (who happens to be a local favorite, so no bias there) is gonna be a star. so given that your argument is based on emotion rather than real observations and logic, there will be no changing your mind.

    but you could just deal with it, rather than make continued attempts to convince the wrong people that youre right.

    @choco said:

    yeah, but sipe didn't whine and cry on the sideline because he didn't get his way. he didn't isolate himself from the team, he didn't get a bad attitude because he wasn't spoon fed something he didn't deserve.

    sorry, im done with this. you can't even defend your position, so its not really worth arguing. there is no logical way you can bash the past FO for horrible draft after horrible draft, then contend that one of those picks (who happens to be a local favorite, so no bias there) is gonna be a star. so given that your argument is based on emotion rather than real observations and logic, there will be no changing your mind.

    but you could just deal with it, rather than make continued attempts to convince the wrong people that youre right.

    I am under no obligation to defend a position to you for anything. I believe it is YOUR observations that are based on emotion because of some perception you have about BQ...a perception that apparently 6 games has satisfied you. I am simply ASKING that I be given a better opportunity to "observe and use logic on". My point about Quinn is that I dont have a mind on him yet to change. There is simply insufficient data on him, as there is on all those other guys I listed in the first post on this thread.

    What I am right about is that I don't know enough about Quinn to get the kind of exercise you are getting by jumping to conclusions about him