Hines Ward NFL's Dirtiest Player- So say his peers
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I'm not surprised. The hit on Rivers of the bengals was a perfect example. He blindsides the guy with a forearm underneath the helmet and breaks his jaw.
I doubt he is the dirtiest player ever because lineman used to get away with dirty plays almost every down
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As long as a player plays within the rulebook (The rulebook all 32 owners agree to play upon) then I am okay with them being considered dirty. You can't blame Hines or any other player for doing something that is allowed to be done, can you? I think its an honor for a reciever to be considered dirty since typically 99% of contact reciever makes includes them getting takled/knocked down. Again, this comes under the assumption the player typically players within the limits of the rules. Hines didn't get a flag for any of his most famous hits, so its safe to say he plays within the rules.
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Also ..that list of Dirty players...Seems to include Some Awfully good players. Sour grape syndrome.
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Also ..that list of Dirty players...Seems to include Some Awfully good players. Sour grape syndrome.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Also ..that list of Dirty players...Seems to include Some Awfully good players. Sour grape syndrome.Hate to say it but he's right. Too many good/ top notch players on that list. It's jealousy, and why hasn't anyone defending this list addressed my point of the overrated player poll from earlier that listed three of the top five nfl qbs rating and stat wise yet? Oh that's right, because it reinforces the idea that jealousy played at least a part in this poll. And I'm sorry but 1/5 of the players in the league is a silly portion when you consider that roughly 1/8 gets annually smoked twice a season by in division rivals, vikings/ packers and bears, steelers/ the browns and bengals, the giants/ the eagles. But as I said it makes Browns fans feel better because we can blame success on cheating, and ignore our own mountain of failure!
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And consider these further names who could be in line for HOF induction over HW or who are contemporaries that may get equal HOF consideration:
Andre Reed
Rod Smith
Tony Gonzales
Joey Galloway
Shannon Sharpe
Irving Fryar
Art Powell
Laverneus Coles
Derrick Mason
TJ Houshmanzadeh
If you took all the people in these two posts how would you rate them for consideration for HOF induction?
And consider these further names who could be in line for HOF induction over HW or who are contemporaries that may get equal HOF consideration:
Andre Reed
Rod Smith
Tony Gonzales
Joey Galloway
Shannon Sharpe
Irving Fryar
Art Powell
Laverneus Coles
Derrick Mason
TJ Houshmanzadeh
If you took all the people in these two posts how would you rate them for consideration for HOF induction?
While I am going to give you the first set of guys....I agree that Ward has to seperate himself from the pack more in order to get a Gold Jacket (like most of the guys in the first list) This list is far less considerable.
If Ward were to retire today, he would be above any guy on this list....however, he has several years left in his game with a franchise QB. Barring injury, you can expect him to top 1000 catches....12000-14000 receiving yards. Those #'s in conjuction with the SB rings, SB MVP and the physical nature will get him in.
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I'm not surprised. The hit on Rivers of the bengals was a perfect example. He blindsides the guy with a forearm underneath the helmet and breaks his jaw.
I doubt he is the dirtiest player ever because lineman used to get away with dirty plays almost every down
I'm not surprised. The hit on Rivers of the bengals was a perfect example. He blindsides the guy with a forearm underneath the helmet and breaks his jaw.
I doubt he is the dirtiest player ever because lineman used to get away with dirty plays almost every down
Don't hate Hines for that hit. Hate the 32 owners for agreeing to a rulebook that makes that type of hit legal. Hate Goodell for making that a legal, unfinable hit. Hines has simply been playing the games by the rules others made up.
You bring up a good point some people just don't get. Lineman always throw forearms. Heck, they hope to give a blindside forearm under someone's chin everytime they pull. When they do it there complimented for a good pull, when Hines does it from a receiver spot he is dirty.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
And consider these further names who could be in line for HOF induction over HW or who are contemporaries that may get equal HOF consideration:
Andre Reed
Rod Smith
Tony Gonzales
Joey Galloway
Shannon Sharpe
Irving Fryar
Art Powell
Laverneus Coles
Derrick Mason
TJ Houshmanzadeh
If you took all the people in these two posts how would you rate them for consideration for HOF induction?
While I am going to give you the first set of guys....I agree that Ward has to seperate himself from the pack more in order to get a Gold Jacket (like most of the guys in the first list) This list is far less considerable.
If Ward were to retire today, he would be above any guy on this list....however, he has several years left in his game with a franchise QB. Barring injury, you can expect him to top 1000 catches....12000-14000 receiving yards. Those #'s in conjuction with the SB rings, SB MVP and the physical nature will get him in.
While I am going to give you the first set of guys....I agree that Ward has to seperate himself from the pack more in order to get a Gold Jacket (like most of the guys in the first list) This list is far less considerable.
If Ward were to retire today, he would be above any guy on this list....however, he has several years left in his game with a franchise QB. Barring injury, you can expect him to top 1000 catches....12000-14000 receiving yards. Those #'s in conjuction with the SB rings, SB MVP and the physical nature will get him in.
I think you may have to take Shannon Sharpe and Tony Gonzales out of this, as they play the TE position rather than Ward's WR position. On the list you quote, I would probably, currently, put Reed and Powell over Ward, but that might be all.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Gip .. we dont have that Reputation around the League !! LOL...Your killing me...lol. The Bengals Have that ALL to themselves. Dont be taking away their sunshine !!!Sorry, but no, I have been to the 88 largest cities in America, and universally it is declared that the Steelers have the most obnoxious fans...and the least knowledgeable.
I am not saying that there aren't a plethora of knowledgeable Steeler fans out there, its just that the dumb obnoxious ones are legion, and as I said, the smart, reasoned ones, perhaps such as yourself, end up being overwhelmed.
Sorry, but no, I have been to the 88 largest cities in America, and universally it is declared that the Steelers have the most obnoxious fans...and the least knowledgeable.
I am not saying that there aren't a plethora of knowledgeable Steeler fans out there, its just that the dumb obnoxious ones are legion, and as I said, the smart, reasoned ones, perhaps such as yourself, end up being overwhelmed.
You being Retarded man . No offense , your hilarious. Talk about Sour grapes. Yet week after week you hear NFL Announcers and analysts praising Steelernation.... SO You go around handing out surveys in these 88 cities , i imagine. Its this kind of talk that makes you guys look bitter. I am not saying we dont have some Dumb fans. We ALL have some. But I know Far more obnoxious Browns fans in the Mahoning Valley than Poor Steeler Fans. Seriously.
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I don't think it's all sour grapes. Not too many people are jealous of Cortland Finnegan, the Black Mick. People just don't like him because he's dirty. What about Richie Incognito, Harvey Dahl or even Kevin Mawae. Mawae is a great guy, and he's mearing the end of an extremely prolific career in which he never made it to the Super Bowl. I don't think people can hold a grudge against a guy who's basically gotten everywhere on his own merit, and not had the benefit of being on a team stocked with talent from top to bottom. As for Incognito and Dahl, nobody is jealous of them, why would they be? I think this survey holds a pretty good amount of validity to it.
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OK, I will conduct this exercise myself. This would be my priority list of who is HOF worthy from the names I posted. Please let me know if you think I left anyone off:
1. Jerry Rice
2. Chris Carter
3. Marvin Harrison
4. Tony Gonzales
5. Randy Moss
6. Tim Brown
7. Terrell Owens
8. Shannon Sharpe
9. Isaac Bruce
10. TJ Houshmanzedah
11. Andre Reed
12. Art Powell
13. Hines Ward
14. Tori Holt
15. Muhsin Muhammed
16. Donald Driver
17. Chad Octopussy
18. Irving Fryar
19. Joey Galloway
20. Eric Moulds
21. Laverneus Coles
22. Derrick Mason
OK, I will conduct this exercise myself. This would be my priority list of who is HOF worthy from the names I posted. Please let me know if you think I left anyone off:
1. Jerry Rice
2. Chris Carter
3. Marvin Harrison
4. Tony Gonzales
5. Randy Moss
6. Tim Brown
7. Terrell Owens
8. Shannon Sharpe
9. Isaac Bruce
10. TJ Houshmanzedah
11. Andre Reed
12. Art Powell
13. Hines Ward
14. Tori Holt
15. Muhsin Muhammed
16. Donald Driver
17. Chad Octopussy
18. Irving Fryar
19. Joey Galloway
20. Eric Moulds
21. Laverneus Coles
22. Derrick Mason
1. Jerry Rice
2. Chris Carter
11. Andre Reed
6. Tim Brown
4. Tony Gonzales
13. Hines Ward
5. Randy Moss
8. Shannon Sharpe
14. Tori Holt
7. Terrell Owens > iffy
9. Isaac Bruce
as for the rest...i wouldn't even consider them...maybe fryar...but no
10. TJ Houshmanzedah
12. Art Powell
15. Muhsin Muhammed
16. Donald Driver
17. Chad Octopussy
18. Irving Fryar
19. Joey Galloway
20. Eric Moulds
21. Laverneus Coles
22. Derrick Mason
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Sorry, but no, I have been to the 88 largest cities in America, and universally it is declared that the Steelers have the most obnoxious fans...and the least knowledgeable.
I am not saying that there aren't a plethora of knowledgeable Steeler fans out there, its just that the dumb obnoxious ones are legion, and as I said, the smart, reasoned ones, perhaps such as yourself, end up being overwhelmed.
You being Retarded man . No offense , your hilarious. Talk about Sour grapes. Yet week after week you hear NFL Announcers and analysts praising Steelernation.... SO You go around handing out surveys in these 88 cities , i imagine. Its this kind of talk that makes you guys look bitter. I am not saying we dont have some Dumb fans. We ALL have some. But I know Far more obnoxious Browns fans in the Mahoning Valley than Poor Steeler Fans. Seriously.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
You being Retarded man . No offense , your hilarious. Talk about Sour grapes. Yet week after week you hear NFL Announcers and analysts praising Steelernation.... SO You go around handing out surveys in these 88 cities , i imagine. Its this kind of talk that makes you guys look bitter. I am not saying we dont have some Dumb fans. We ALL have some. But I know Far more obnoxious Browns fans in the Mahoning Valley than Poor Steeler Fans. Seriously.I can't help it that you have your head up your Steeler fan ass and see the world through piss colored glasses.
I repeat: Nationwide consensus: dumbest, most obnoxious fans are Steeler fans. (Aside from having the biggest FRAK population.
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He is considered dirty because he redefined the position. He started blocking downfield, and not giving up. Defensive backs wer not use to this, so it became an issue. Truth is, he plays the game as it should be played
Fact is, he plays hard. You can blindside a QB can't you? Well, he blindsides players trying to tackle a member of his team with the ball. Its football.
This board defends our "tough" defensive coordinator for talking trash with the opposing team. But a wide reciever that blocks and knocks other players around? Must be dirty.
The Soldier said:
He is considered dirty because he redefined the position. He started blocking downfield, and not giving up. Defensive backs wer not use to this, so it became an issue. Truth is, he plays the game as it should be playedFact is, he plays hard. You can blindside a QB can't you? Well, he blindsides players trying to tackle a member of his team with the ball. Its football.
This board defends our "tough" defensive coordinator for talking trash with the opposing team. But a wide reciever that blocks and knocks other players around? Must be dirty.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
redefined hahahahahahahahahaha
Receievers have always blocked down field asshat. Yes, Dirty Hines Ward is "known" as the best blocking wide receiver.. but he certainly wasn't the first and he redefined nothing. Ignoramus.
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I'm not surprised. The hit on Rivers of the bengals was a perfect example. He blindsides the guy with a forearm underneath the helmet and breaks his jaw.
I doubt he is the dirtiest player ever because lineman used to get away with dirty plays almost every down
Don't hate Hines for that hit. Hate the 32 owners for agreeing to a rulebook that makes that type of hit legal. Hate Goodell for making that a legal, unfinable hit. Hines has simply been playing the games by the rules others made up.
You bring up a good point some people just don't get. Lineman always throw forearms. Heck, they hope to give a blindside forearm under someone's chin everytime they pull. When they do it there complimented for a good pull, when Hines does it from a receiver spot he is dirty.
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Don't hate Hines for that hit. Hate the 32 owners for agreeing to a rulebook that makes that type of hit legal. Hate Goodell for making that a legal, unfinable hit. Hines has simply been playing the games by the rules others made up.You bring up a good point some people just don't get. Lineman always throw forearms. Heck, they hope to give a blindside forearm under someone's chin everytime they pull. When they do it there complimented for a good pull, when Hines does it from a receiver spot he is dirty.
There is a difference between a pulling guard running three yards then throwing a forearm into a defensive lineman and a WR having a 15 yard head start and completely blindsiding someone unexpectedly. I get that it's a man's game, but that was a cheap shot. There's a reason they changed the rules because of it.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
You being Retarded man . No offense , your hilarious. Talk about Sour grapes. Yet week after week you hear NFL Announcers and analysts praising Steelernation.... SO You go around handing out surveys in these 88 cities , i imagine. Its this kind of talk that makes you guys look bitter. I am not saying we dont have some Dumb fans. We ALL have some. But I know Far more obnoxious Browns fans in the Mahoning Valley than Poor Steeler Fans. Seriously.I can't help it that you have your head up your Steeler fan ass and see the world through piss colored glasses.
I repeat: Nationwide consensus: dumbest, most obnoxious fans are Steeler fans. (Aside from having the biggest FRAK population.
I can't help it that you have your head up your Steeler fan ass and see the world through piss colored glasses.
I repeat: Nationwide consensus: dumbest, most obnoxious fans are Steeler fans. (Aside from having the biggest FRAK population
.LOL... Nationwide . . . I say TOTAL BS. Utter jealsouy ...And Please look at your own Brethren ,far from Rocket science bro ... And Yinz still don't Rival Cinncatucky !!!!
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
Don't hate Hines for that hit. Hate the 32 owners for agreeing to a rulebook that makes that type of hit legal. Hate Goodell for making that a legal, unfinable hit. Hines has simply been playing the games by the rules others made up.You bring up a good point some people just don't get. Lineman always throw forearms. Heck, they hope to give a blindside forearm under someone's chin everytime they pull. When they do it there complimented for a good pull, when Hines does it from a receiver spot he is dirty.
There is a difference between a pulling guard running three yards then throwing a forearm into a defensive lineman and a WR having a 15 yard head start and completely blindsiding someone unexpectedly. I get that it's a man's game, but that was a cheap shot. There's a reason they changed the rules because of it.
There is a difference between a pulling guard running three yards then throwing a forearm into a defensive lineman and a WR having a 15 yard head start and completely blindsiding someone unexpectedly. I get that it's a man's game, but that was a cheap shot. There's a reason they changed the rules because of it.
Its football... So its alright to hit a QB with an unblocked hit with a 15 yard head start ? Ahhh he has the ball... come on Blocking is a Violent activity. Just get the dresses out.
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There is a difference between a pulling guard running three yards then throwing a forearm into a defensive lineman and a WR having a 15 yard head start and completely blindsiding someone unexpectedly. I get that it's a man's game, but that was a cheap shot. There's a reason they changed the rules because of it.
Its football... So its alright to hit a QB with an unblocked hit with a 15 yard head start ? Ahhh he has the ball... come on Blocking is a Violent activity. Just get the dresses out.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Its football... So it alright to hit a QB with an unblocked hit with a 15 yard head start ? Ahhh he has the ball... come on Blocking is a Violent activity. Just get the dresses out.There's no need to inform me of the intracacies of blocking. I was a lineman in middle school, high school, and currently am a lineman in college. The point I was making is, defensive linemen are used to getting forearms and such thrown into them, that's more or less part of their job. They know what is coming, that is what they signed up for. They are they to be hit by offensive linemen. Furthermore, the QB's are more or less aware of the people that are trying to hit them. Their job is to avoid the defensive pressure, and make the throw/handoff/whatever. Ward wasn't blindsiding a QB that was trying to make a tackle on another player. He had a 15 yard head start on an LB that wasn't focused on him, and then proceeded to use his helmet as well as his forearm to successfully break said LB's jaw. It's not even as if the block would have resulted in a touchdown or even a slightly larger gain. It was simultaneous with the tackle on Matt Spaeth. It was a cheap shot, by a cheap player on a team where cheapness isn't even required.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 is one of many Squeeler fans that only comes on here to talk crap. Unfortunatly for him, he just shows everyone what a knuckle dragging, hairy palmed ape he is. What a joke of a fan of any team. Thanks again buddy for reminding me why I hate the piss and black. I would hate you even if you were a Browns fan. What's the matter buddy? You catch your mommy cheating on your da da with some guy from Cleveland? There has to be a reason you troll here so often and that's about the only reason I can think of. You suck.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 is one of many Squeeler fans that only comes on here to talk crap. Unfortunatly for him, he just shows everyone what a knuckle dragging, hairy palmed ape he is. What a joke of a fan of any team. Thanks again buddy for reminding me why I hate the piss and black. I would hate you even if you were a Browns fan. What's the matter buddy? You catch your mommy cheating on your da da with some guy from Cleveland? There has to be a reason you troll here so often and that's about the only reason I can think of. You suck.
FREAKofSTEEL08 is one of many Squeeler fans that only comes on here to talk crap. Unfortunatly for him, he just shows everyone what a knuckle dragging, hairy palmed ape he is. What a joke of a fan of any team. Thanks again buddy for reminding me why I hate the piss and black. I would hate you even if you were a Browns fan. What's the matter buddy? You catch your mommy cheating on your da da with some guy from Cleveland? There has to be a reason you troll here so often and that's about the only reason I can think of. You suck.
OK Buddy ...ask around about ME !!! You will find what you just said is TOTAL BS. I am one of a handful of Steeler fans here who Truly respect your Teams history AND Fan base in general. With 145 posts You damn sure havnt been around long enough to judge me. Your Ridiculas.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Its football... So it alright to hit a QB with an unblocked hit with a 15 yard head start ? Ahhh he has the ball... come on Blocking is a Violent activity. Just get the dresses out.There's no need to inform me of the intracacies of blocking. I was a lineman in middle school, high school, and currently am a lineman in college. The point I was making is, defensive linemen are used to getting forearms and such thrown into them, that's more or less part of their job. They know what is coming, that is what they signed up for. They are they to be hit by offensive linemen. Furthermore, the QB's are more or less aware of the people that are trying to hit them. Their job is to avoid the defensive pressure, and make the throw/handoff/whatever. Ward wasn't blindsiding a QB that was trying to make a tackle on another player. He had a 15 yard head start on an LB that wasn't focused on him, and then proceeded to use his helmet as well as his forearm to successfully break said LB's jaw. It's not even as if the block would have resulted in a touchdown or even a slightly larger gain. It was simultaneous with the tackle on Matt Spaeth. It was a cheap shot, by a cheap player on a team where cheapness isn't even required.
There's no need to inform me of the intracacies of blocking. I was a lineman in middle school, high school, and currently am a lineman in college. The point I was making is, defensive linemen are used to getting forearms and such thrown into them, that's more or less part of their job. They know what is coming, that is what they signed up for. They are they to be hit by offensive linemen. Furthermore, the QB's are more or less aware of the people that are trying to hit them. Their job is to avoid the defensive pressure, and make the throw/handoff/whatever. Ward wasn't blindsiding a QB that was trying to make a tackle on another player. He had a 15 yard head start on an LB that wasn't focused on him, and then proceeded to use his helmet as well as his forearm to successfully break said LB's jaw. It's not even as if the block would have resulted in a touchdown or even a slightly larger gain. It was simultaneous with the tackle on Matt Spaeth. It was a cheap shot, by a cheap player on a team where cheapness isn't even required.
Its a Block... is the LB trying to Make a Play ?? And Should the Offense try to stop them from making a play. Furthermore , was it AGAINST THE RULES When Hines was doing it ? NO ... So, its just stupid.
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There's no need to inform me of the intracacies of blocking. I was a lineman in middle school, high school, and currently am a lineman in college. The point I was making is, defensive linemen are used to getting forearms and such thrown into them, that's more or less part of their job. They know what is coming, that is what they signed up for. They are they to be hit by offensive linemen. Furthermore, the QB's are more or less aware of the people that are trying to hit them. Their job is to avoid the defensive pressure, and make the throw/handoff/whatever. Ward wasn't blindsiding a QB that was trying to make a tackle on another player. He had a 15 yard head start on an LB that wasn't focused on him, and then proceeded to use his helmet as well as his forearm to successfully break said LB's jaw. It's not even as if the block would have resulted in a touchdown or even a slightly larger gain. It was simultaneous with the tackle on Matt Spaeth. It was a cheap shot, by a cheap player on a team where cheapness isn't even required.
Its a Block... is the LB trying to Make a Play ?? And Should the Offense try to stop them from making a play. Furthermore , was it AGAINST THE RULES When Hines was doing it ? NO ... So, its just stupid.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Its a Block... is the LB trying to Make a Play ?? And Should the Offense try to stop them from making a play. Furthermore , was it AGAINST THE RULES When Hines was doing it ? NO ... So, its just stupid.Well, it's against the rules now, so the NFL must have thought it was a cheap move. I didn't know all Steeler fans were caught up in the rules so much. Horsecollering wasn't against the rules for the longest time, and by and far it is one of the cheapest moves in the NFL. Just because something wasn't illegal at one point doesn't instantly negate it's cheapness. There is no rule yet against grabbing a defender's balls and pulling, but you don't see that in the NFL. Shoot for the stars Whines Hard, let's make that rule illegal now too! I think it's his personal mission to rewrite the rule book. So, give up your argument. You've lost, nobody agrees with you, and now you're just making yourself look stupid by arguing for no reason.
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