Jamal Lewis says team is too exhausted from Mangini's practices to be effective
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Here's my problem with this;
Mangini has meetings once a week with the captains..Did JL bring it up?
If he brought it up and Mangini explained his reasoning of why he does what he does.(coaches decision)
What is the point JL trying to make by going to the press?
What is he trying to accomplish
Is this helping the team prepare for Monday night
What are Jamal's true motives here?
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To those of you who called Jamal a complainer, old or whimpy on the whole workout thing... seems to me I've seen a few articles on Jamal and his workouts and how other players join him and are amazed at how hard the guy works in the offseason.
If he truly is the workhorse some portray him to be, and he's saying the workouts Mangini is requiring during the season are over the top... then maybe he's got a point.
I'd love to hear his thoughts on a comment he made a couple weeks back about the Browns' organization in general and how it wasn't run in an efficient business fashion. I gotta admit, I've never really followed him, is he a bright guy or a whiner? If he's a hard working thoughtful player, that puts some credibility into some of the things he's saying.
To those of you who called Jamal a complainer, old or whimpy on the whole workout thing... seems to me I've seen a few articles on Jamal and his workouts and how other players join him and are amazed at how hard the guy works in the offseason.
If he truly is the workhorse some portray him to be, and he's saying the workouts Mangini is requiring during the season are over the top... then maybe he's got a point.
I'd love to hear his thoughts on a comment he made a couple weeks back about the Browns' organization in general and how it wasn't run in an efficient business fashion. I gotta admit, I've never really followed him, is he a bright guy or a whiner? If he's a hard working thoughtful player, that puts some credibility into some of the things he's saying.
Quite an intelligent post, and just to add, he has not said any such thing about any of the previous coaches he worked with. What surprised me is the sudden Larry Johnsonish talk from one of the most veteran and respected leaders in the Browns roster - There is a huge rift between him and Mangini.
One positive i hope to see from this is more playing time for Chris Jennings.
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Pretty obvious the players arent behind their coach.
Ravens score 50 on us Mangini won't be here next week.....you read it here
Pretty obvious the players arent behind their coach.
I've said this before, it happened in NY. They were winning and he still put him though hell. As for J Lew, he has an argument if they were winning.
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I've said this before, it happened in NY. They were winning and he still put him though hell. As for J Lew, he has an argument if they were winning.
Negative. J Lewis, still has an argument buddy.
There is a difference between working hard and working smart. You can work hard all you want but it need not necessarily translate into success cos the opposition has u figured out and know how to stop you. Or you can work smart by designing intelligent plays (dont ask DA to throw the ball on a 4th and 1 OC) and practice on that.
I will attribute the the way we lose more to the horrid play calling and decision making more than on the talent or the hard work of the roster.
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I've said this before, it happened in NY. They were winning and he still put him though hell. As for J Lew, he has an argument if they were winning.
Negative. J Lewis, still has an argument buddy.
There is a difference between working hard and working smart. You can work hard all you want but it need not necessarily translate into success cos the opposition has u figured out and know how to stop you. Or you can work smart by designing intelligent plays (dont ask DA to throw the ball on a 4th and 1 OC) and practice on that.
I will attribute the the way we lose more to the horrid play calling and decision making more than on the talent or the hard work of the roster.
Negative. J Lewis, still has an argument buddy.
There is a difference between working hard and working smart. You can work hard all you want but it need not necessarily translate into success cos the opposition has u figured out and know how to stop you. Or you can work smart by designing intelligent plays (dont ask DA to throw the ball on a 4th and 1 OC) and practice on that.
I will attribute the the way we lose more to the horrid play calling and decision making more than on the talent or the hard work of the roster.
Ok say your right, that is more affirmation that the team is quitting on Mangini.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
the one thing that sticks out is that he is a captain, but instead of taking it to Mangini takes it to the media?
What happened to trying to deal with problems in house, up throught he chain of command before going outside.
Regardless of his offseason regimen, he's washed up and whiney. I'd bench him for the season, especially against his old team the Ravens.
He doesn't want to be here, anyhow.
the one thing that sticks out is that he is a captain, but instead of taking it to Mangini takes it to the media?
What happened to trying to deal with problems in house, up throught he chain of command before going outside.
Regardless of his offseason regimen, he's washed up and whiney. I'd bench him for the season, especially against his old team the Ravens.
He doesn't want to be here, anyhow.
True. He is showing a definite LACK of leadership and professionalism by not acting like a captain.
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the one thing that sticks out is that he is a captain, but instead of taking it to Mangini takes it to the media?
What happened to trying to deal with problems in house, up throught he chain of command before going outside.
Regardless of his offseason regimen, he's washed up and whiney. I'd bench him for the season, especially against his old team the Ravens.
He doesn't want to be here, anyhow.
True. He is showing a definite LACK of leadership and professionalism by not acting like a captain.
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Negative. J Lewis, still has an argument buddy.
There is a difference between working hard and working smart. You can work hard all you want but it need not necessarily translate into success cos the opposition has u figured out and know how to stop you. Or you can work smart by designing intelligent plays (dont ask DA to throw the ball on a 4th and 1 OC) and practice on that.
I will attribute the the way we lose more to the horrid play calling and decision making more than on the talent or the hard work of the roster.
Ok say your right, that is more affirmation that the team is quitting on Mangini.
Ok say your right, that is more affirmation that the team is quitting on Mangini.
Mangini would have surely helped his cause had he gotten himself a new OC. I dont understand the faith that Mangini has got in Daboll after witnessing such putrid offense. And being part of that offense does not help any of the team members. Anyways, Lets hope for the best.
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Ok say your right, that is more affirmation that the team is quitting on Mangini.
Mangini would have surely helped his cause had he gotten himself a new OC. I dont understand the faith that Mangini has got in Daboll after witnessing such putrid offense. And being part of that offense does not help any of the team members. Anyways, Lets hope for the best.
Mangini would have surely helped his cause had he gotten himself a new OC. I dont understand the faith that Mangini has got in Daboll after witnessing such putrid offense. And being part of that offense does not help any of the team members. Anyways, Lets hope for the best.
Where are you going to find one in October?
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How much money will Lewis get is he is released compared to if he retires?
Maybe he is trying to get more.
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Mangini would have surely helped his cause had he gotten himself a new OC. I dont understand the faith that Mangini has got in Daboll after witnessing such putrid offense. And being part of that offense does not help any of the team members. Anyways, Lets hope for the best.
Where are you going to find one in October?
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Mike Martz is still available to interview, i remember 2 OCs that were fired before the season began .... point is Daboll is terrible.
You aren't going to implement Mike Martz's offensive system now....much less anyone else's. Mike Martz's system doesn't work if you don't have the talent. Look at his results with QBs not named "Warner" and without HOF caliber talent. Did he make the 49ers into winners?
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Mike Martz is still available to interview, i remember 2 OCs that were fired before the season began .... point is Daboll is terrible.
You aren't going to implement Mike Martz's offensive system now....much less anyone else's. Mike Martz's system doesn't work if you don't have the talent. Look at his results with QBs not named "Warner" and without HOF caliber talent. Did he make the 49ers into winners?
You aren't going to implement Mike Martz's offensive system now....much less anyone else's. Mike Martz's system doesn't work if you don't have the talent. Look at his results with QBs not named "Warner" and without HOF caliber talent. Did he make the 49ers into winners?
His time with the 49ers and the Lions had them playing decent offensive football. Sure they lost but it was not bad losses. Sure, im not saying that changing the OC now is going to help us win, but the playcalling has been so horrible that it will not make a difference. Atleast next year, we can hope for an improvement ...
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Ok say your right, that is more affirmation that the team is quitting on Mangini.
Mangini would have surely helped his cause had he gotten himself a new OC. I dont understand the faith that Mangini has got in Daboll after witnessing such putrid offense. And being part of that offense does not help any of the team members. Anyways, Lets hope for the best.
Mangini would have surely helped his cause had he gotten himself a new OC. I dont understand the faith that Mangini has got in Daboll after witnessing such putrid offense. And being part of that offense does not help any of the team members. Anyways, Lets hope for the best.
I agree 100%
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You aren't going to implement Mike Martz's offensive system now....much less anyone else's. Mike Martz's system doesn't work if you don't have the talent. Look at his results with QBs not named "Warner" and without HOF caliber talent. Did he make the 49ers into winners?
His time with the 49ers and the Lions had them playing decent offensive football. Sure they lost but it was not bad losses. Sure, im not saying that changing the OC now is going to help us win, but the playcalling has been so horrible that it will not make a difference. Atleast next year, we can hope for an improvement ...
His time with the 49ers and the Lions had them playing decent offensive football. Sure they lost but it was not bad losses. Sure, im not saying that changing the OC now is going to help us win, but the playcalling has been so horrible that it will not make a difference. Atleast next year, we can hope for an improvement ...
Fair enough BI, but no one has said that Daboll's future is safe. He's already getting somewhat of a demotion with the QB coach taking a more active role.
I don't have a problem with the criticism of Daboll but I will point out a minor point with respect to a previous first time coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer. Schotty was criticised horribly since taking over the Jets offense three plus years ago. He's grown into that role but the point I want to make is that I thought that the criticism of the playcalling in NY was unfair. You can't go deep on every play and sometimes you have to impose your will on the defense even when they know what's coming. Coaches need players to make plays.
When receivers drop balls or running backs fumble, it doesn't matter what the play call was. They were in position to make a play and they didn't.
To quote Hank Hill re: the Cowboys: "All Troy can do is get it there..."
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This whole thing translates to "I want Romeo back. He let us practice on the couch in from of the lates version of Madden!"
Get this crybaby out of here. What has he really done for this team this year anyway!? The Browns need WINNERS...not WHINERS! Jamal, you WERE a great running back. When you WERE that running back, you could have complained like this and it may have actually meant something. But you've lost it. Your complaints mean nothing. You can't learn to hit a hole hard if guys are not wearing pads! You bitch about having to work 2 1/2 to 3 hours in a single day? Try my schedule...at least 8 hours a day and some days I leave my house at 7:30 in the morning and don't get home until midnight! Try having to work 2-3 jobs to pay your bills. Quit complaining about getting to play a game for a living! I'll trade you places in a heartbeat. And I'd be willing to bet that I could gain 2 yards a carry too. But I wouldn't bitch about it!
I'm sick of players complaining about having to "work too hard." Give me a break! I wish I got to work that hard!
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maybe Lewis want's money that he would get if released but not if he retired.
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His time with the 49ers and the Lions had them playing decent offensive football. Sure they lost but it was not bad losses. Sure, im not saying that changing the OC now is going to help us win, but the playcalling has been so horrible that it will not make a difference. Atleast next year, we can hope for an improvement ...
Fair enough BI, but no one has said that Daboll's future is safe. He's already getting somewhat of a demotion with the QB coach taking a more active role.
I don't have a problem with the criticism of Daboll but I will point out a minor point with respect to a previous first time coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer. Schotty was criticised horribly since taking over the Jets offense three plus years ago. He's grown into that role but the point I want to make is that I thought that the criticism of the playcalling in NY was unfair. You can't go deep on every play and sometimes you have to impose your will on the defense even when they know what's coming. Coaches need players to make plays.
When receivers drop balls or running backs fumble, it doesn't matter what the play call was. They were in position to make a play and they didn't.
To quote Hank Hill re: the Cowboys: "All Troy can do is get it there..."
Fair enough BI, but no one has said that Daboll's future is safe. He's already getting somewhat of a demotion with the QB coach taking a more active role.
I don't have a problem with the criticism of Daboll but I will point out a minor point with respect to a previous first time coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer. Schotty was criticised horribly since taking over the Jets offense three plus years ago. He's grown into that role but the point I want to make is that I thought that the criticism of the playcalling in NY was unfair. You can't go deep on every play and sometimes you have to impose your will on the defense even when they know what's coming. Coaches need players to make plays.
When receivers drop balls or running backs fumble, it doesn't matter what the play call was. They were in position to make a play and they didn't.
To quote Hank Hill re: the Cowboys: "All Troy can do is get it there..."
B. Schotty has been around a lot of good headcoaches and grown into the job, His playcalling is still conservative (for which he gets criticized) and he is still not the best OC for the Jets. Daboll needs way more experience before getting this stint. Also to Schottys advantage he is working with Bill Calahan who is there to guide him. Daboll has no one to do that.
You are right about the WR's/TE's dropping the ball, i thought it was goners after BE left but nopes !! im still confused about that one.
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Fair enough BI, but no one has said that Daboll's future is safe. He's already getting somewhat of a demotion with the QB coach taking a more active role.
I don't have a problem with the criticism of Daboll but I will point out a minor point with respect to a previous first time coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer. Schotty was criticised horribly since taking over the Jets offense three plus years ago. He's grown into that role but the point I want to make is that I thought that the criticism of the playcalling in NY was unfair. You can't go deep on every play and sometimes you have to impose your will on the defense even when they know what's coming. Coaches need players to make plays.
When receivers drop balls or running backs fumble, it doesn't matter what the play call was. They were in position to make a play and they didn't.
To quote Hank Hill re: the Cowboys: "All Troy can do is get it there..."
B. Schotty has been around a lot of good headcoaches and grown into the job, His playcalling is still conservative (for which he gets criticized) and he is still not the best OC for the Jets. Daboll needs way more experience before getting this stint. Also to Schottys advantage he is working with Bill Calahan who is there to guide him. Daboll has no one to do that.
You are right about the WR's/TE's dropping the ball, i thought it was goners after BE left but nopes !! im still confused about that one.
B. Schotty has been around a lot of good headcoaches and grown into the job, His playcalling is still conservative (for which he gets criticized) and he is still not the best OC for the Jets. Daboll needs way more experience before getting this stint. Also to Schottys advantage he is working with Bill Calahan who is there to guide him. Daboll has no one to do that.
You are right about the WR's/TE's dropping the ball, i thought it was goners after BE left but nopes !! im still confused about that one.
If "conservative" leads to the AFC's leading rusher then I'd be all for it.
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Zombo said:
Well ... expect him to be released now .. followed by a press conference citing "diminishing skills"Zombo
I think that's what he wants. Some other team will sign him and pay him the small amount he is owed; probably Baltimore so he can retire there. He seems to be conducting himself like a guy who wants to be cut. I like Jamal but at this point in his career, I can't blame him for not wanting to play for a team that is rebuilding. He is a likely HOFer why would he want his career to end like this?
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