Jamal Lewis says team is too exhausted from Mangini's practices to be effective
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Mike Martz is still available to interview, i remember 2 OCs that were fired before the season began .... point is Daboll is terrible.
You aren't going to implement Mike Martz's offensive system now....much less anyone else's. Mike Martz's system doesn't work if you don't have the talent. Look at his results with QBs not named "Warner" and without HOF caliber talent. Did he make the 49ers into winners?
You aren't going to implement Mike Martz's offensive system now....much less anyone else's. Mike Martz's system doesn't work if you don't have the talent. Look at his results with QBs not named "Warner" and without HOF caliber talent. Did he make the 49ers into winners?
His time with the 49ers and the Lions had them playing decent offensive football. Sure they lost but it was not bad losses. Sure, im not saying that changing the OC now is going to help us win, but the playcalling has been so horrible that it will not make a difference. Atleast next year, we can hope for an improvement ...
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Ok say your right, that is more affirmation that the team is quitting on Mangini.
Mangini would have surely helped his cause had he gotten himself a new OC. I dont understand the faith that Mangini has got in Daboll after witnessing such putrid offense. And being part of that offense does not help any of the team members. Anyways, Lets hope for the best.
Mangini would have surely helped his cause had he gotten himself a new OC. I dont understand the faith that Mangini has got in Daboll after witnessing such putrid offense. And being part of that offense does not help any of the team members. Anyways, Lets hope for the best.
I agree 100%
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You aren't going to implement Mike Martz's offensive system now....much less anyone else's. Mike Martz's system doesn't work if you don't have the talent. Look at his results with QBs not named "Warner" and without HOF caliber talent. Did he make the 49ers into winners?
His time with the 49ers and the Lions had them playing decent offensive football. Sure they lost but it was not bad losses. Sure, im not saying that changing the OC now is going to help us win, but the playcalling has been so horrible that it will not make a difference. Atleast next year, we can hope for an improvement ...
His time with the 49ers and the Lions had them playing decent offensive football. Sure they lost but it was not bad losses. Sure, im not saying that changing the OC now is going to help us win, but the playcalling has been so horrible that it will not make a difference. Atleast next year, we can hope for an improvement ...
Fair enough BI, but no one has said that Daboll's future is safe. He's already getting somewhat of a demotion with the QB coach taking a more active role.
I don't have a problem with the criticism of Daboll but I will point out a minor point with respect to a previous first time coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer. Schotty was criticised horribly since taking over the Jets offense three plus years ago. He's grown into that role but the point I want to make is that I thought that the criticism of the playcalling in NY was unfair. You can't go deep on every play and sometimes you have to impose your will on the defense even when they know what's coming. Coaches need players to make plays.
When receivers drop balls or running backs fumble, it doesn't matter what the play call was. They were in position to make a play and they didn't.
To quote Hank Hill re: the Cowboys: "All Troy can do is get it there..."
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This whole thing translates to "I want Romeo back. He let us practice on the couch in from of the lates version of Madden!"
Get this crybaby out of here. What has he really done for this team this year anyway!? The Browns need WINNERS...not WHINERS! Jamal, you WERE a great running back. When you WERE that running back, you could have complained like this and it may have actually meant something. But you've lost it. Your complaints mean nothing. You can't learn to hit a hole hard if guys are not wearing pads! You bitch about having to work 2 1/2 to 3 hours in a single day? Try my schedule...at least 8 hours a day and some days I leave my house at 7:30 in the morning and don't get home until midnight! Try having to work 2-3 jobs to pay your bills. Quit complaining about getting to play a game for a living! I'll trade you places in a heartbeat. And I'd be willing to bet that I could gain 2 yards a carry too. But I wouldn't bitch about it!
I'm sick of players complaining about having to "work too hard." Give me a break! I wish I got to work that hard!
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maybe Lewis want's money that he would get if released but not if he retired.
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His time with the 49ers and the Lions had them playing decent offensive football. Sure they lost but it was not bad losses. Sure, im not saying that changing the OC now is going to help us win, but the playcalling has been so horrible that it will not make a difference. Atleast next year, we can hope for an improvement ...
Fair enough BI, but no one has said that Daboll's future is safe. He's already getting somewhat of a demotion with the QB coach taking a more active role.
I don't have a problem with the criticism of Daboll but I will point out a minor point with respect to a previous first time coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer. Schotty was criticised horribly since taking over the Jets offense three plus years ago. He's grown into that role but the point I want to make is that I thought that the criticism of the playcalling in NY was unfair. You can't go deep on every play and sometimes you have to impose your will on the defense even when they know what's coming. Coaches need players to make plays.
When receivers drop balls or running backs fumble, it doesn't matter what the play call was. They were in position to make a play and they didn't.
To quote Hank Hill re: the Cowboys: "All Troy can do is get it there..."
Fair enough BI, but no one has said that Daboll's future is safe. He's already getting somewhat of a demotion with the QB coach taking a more active role.
I don't have a problem with the criticism of Daboll but I will point out a minor point with respect to a previous first time coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer. Schotty was criticised horribly since taking over the Jets offense three plus years ago. He's grown into that role but the point I want to make is that I thought that the criticism of the playcalling in NY was unfair. You can't go deep on every play and sometimes you have to impose your will on the defense even when they know what's coming. Coaches need players to make plays.
When receivers drop balls or running backs fumble, it doesn't matter what the play call was. They were in position to make a play and they didn't.
To quote Hank Hill re: the Cowboys: "All Troy can do is get it there..."
B. Schotty has been around a lot of good headcoaches and grown into the job, His playcalling is still conservative (for which he gets criticized) and he is still not the best OC for the Jets. Daboll needs way more experience before getting this stint. Also to Schottys advantage he is working with Bill Calahan who is there to guide him. Daboll has no one to do that.
You are right about the WR's/TE's dropping the ball, i thought it was goners after BE left but nopes !! im still confused about that one.
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Fair enough BI, but no one has said that Daboll's future is safe. He's already getting somewhat of a demotion with the QB coach taking a more active role.
I don't have a problem with the criticism of Daboll but I will point out a minor point with respect to a previous first time coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer. Schotty was criticised horribly since taking over the Jets offense three plus years ago. He's grown into that role but the point I want to make is that I thought that the criticism of the playcalling in NY was unfair. You can't go deep on every play and sometimes you have to impose your will on the defense even when they know what's coming. Coaches need players to make plays.
When receivers drop balls or running backs fumble, it doesn't matter what the play call was. They were in position to make a play and they didn't.
To quote Hank Hill re: the Cowboys: "All Troy can do is get it there..."
B. Schotty has been around a lot of good headcoaches and grown into the job, His playcalling is still conservative (for which he gets criticized) and he is still not the best OC for the Jets. Daboll needs way more experience before getting this stint. Also to Schottys advantage he is working with Bill Calahan who is there to guide him. Daboll has no one to do that.
You are right about the WR's/TE's dropping the ball, i thought it was goners after BE left but nopes !! im still confused about that one.
B. Schotty has been around a lot of good headcoaches and grown into the job, His playcalling is still conservative (for which he gets criticized) and he is still not the best OC for the Jets. Daboll needs way more experience before getting this stint. Also to Schottys advantage he is working with Bill Calahan who is there to guide him. Daboll has no one to do that.
You are right about the WR's/TE's dropping the ball, i thought it was goners after BE left but nopes !! im still confused about that one.
If "conservative" leads to the AFC's leading rusher then I'd be all for it.
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Zombo said:
Well ... expect him to be released now .. followed by a press conference citing "diminishing skills"Zombo
I think that's what he wants. Some other team will sign him and pay him the small amount he is owed; probably Baltimore so he can retire there. He seems to be conducting himself like a guy who wants to be cut. I like Jamal but at this point in his career, I can't blame him for not wanting to play for a team that is rebuilding. He is a likely HOFer why would he want his career to end like this?
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i think a 10 year veteran with a super bowl would know more about how much and how well to practice than the fans here. I have never heard anyone complaining about Jamal Lewis work ethics.
Sounds like an old man that cant go through the grind of the NFL anymore. Maybe he should of retired last year. The Ravens offense wasnt exactly steller when he was there, maybe they did need to practice more. I can see giving a older player like Jamal more rest, but you dont go through the media and complain to get it. Lewis said Mangini has a open door policy, but he chose not to go that route. Honestly do you really think 2 1/2 hrs a day with pads is really to much to ask. This seems like Jamal's looking for a way out to me.
nmills said:
Sounds like an old man that cant go through the grind of the NFL anymore. Maybe he should of retired last year. The Ravens offense wasnt exactly steller when he was there, maybe they did need to practice more. I can see giving a older player like Jamal more rest, but you dont go through the media and complain to get it. Lewis said Mangini has a open door policy, but he chose not to go that route. Honestly do you really think 2 1/2 hrs a day with pads is really to much to ask. This seems like Jamal's looking for a way out to me.Yeah, except the comment is coming from a player that is known around the league for his dedication to practice and conditioning. He had young players come to his home in the offseason just to go through his program. Now if a player that has one of the most intense workout ethics in the league is saying practice is too much, it might be too much. Maybe mangini should strap on some pads and go through his own practices, I bet there would be some "adjustments to the program" after that.
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nmills said:
Sounds like an old man that cant go through the grind of the NFL anymore. Maybe he should of retired last year. The Ravens offense wasnt exactly steller when he was there, maybe they did need to practice more. I can see giving a older player like Jamal more rest, but you dont go through the media and complain to get it. Lewis said Mangini has a open door policy, but he chose not to go that route. Honestly do you really think 2 1/2 hrs a day with pads is really to much to ask. This seems like Jamal's looking for a way out to me.Yeah, except the comment is coming from a player that is known around the league for his dedication to practice and conditioning. He had young players come to his home in the offseason just to go through his program. Now if a player that has one of the most intense workout ethics in the league is saying practice is too much, it might be too much. Maybe mangini should strap on some pads and go through his own practices, I bet there would be some "adjustments to the program" after that.
Yeah, except the comment is coming from a player that is known around the league for his dedication to practice and conditioning. He had young players come to his home in the offseason just to go through his program. Now if a player that has one of the most intense workout ethics in the league is saying practice is too much, it might be too much. Maybe mangini should strap on some pads and go through his own practices, I bet there would be some "adjustments to the program" after that.
Let's think about this logically.
These guys are paid tons of money to do something that we would all do for a lot less money! Hell, kids play the same game day after day in back yards and schoolyards all over the world. These are grown men complaining about having to practice hard to play a game that makes them very wealthy! Sorry...I don't sympathize. Especially when it comes to a team with a 1-7 record and finished last season with a 4-12 record and whose offense is being outscored by the Saints defense by 2 touchdowns! You don't get better by practicing lightly! If you want to practice lightly, then take up a different sport or start winning! Jamal can be known for his workout ethics. His personal workouts are his choice and I give him credit for it. But, his job requires hard practices. Deal with it or retire now!
And...I think it's hilarious that he is bitching now...after a BYE WEEK! And, as someone already stated, he wouldn't be complaining if we were winning.
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I'm tired of hearing about this. Is it only Browns' coaches who do this? This goes back to Chris Palmer, for crying out loud.
Guess what: LOSING teams complain about things like this. WINNING teams brush it aside.
Winning is the cure.
Let's start Monday night.
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Here's my problem with this;
Mangini has meetings once a week with the captains..Did JL bring it up?
If he brought it up and Mangini explained his reasoning of why he does what he does.(coaches decision)
What is the point JL trying to make by going to the press?
What is he trying to accomplish
Is this helping the team prepare for Monday night
What are Jamal's true motives here?
Here's my problem with this;
Mangini has meetings once a week with the captains..Did JL bring it up?
If he brought it up and Mangini explained his reasoning of why he does what he does.(coaches decision)
What is the point JL trying to make by going to the press?
What is he trying to accomplish
Is this helping the team prepare for Monday night
What are Jamal's true motives here?
To get cut so Baltimore will sign him and he can retire on top with the team he never really left.
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I know if I were coach and I had a team full of guys fumbling, throwing picks, tip-toeing to the line, over-pursuing, missing tackles, not getting off their blocks, dropping passes, and starting 1-7, I would be running them to death. This is what happens to players that don't do their jobs. If we were in the playoff hunt I doubt you would be going full pads on Thursdays.
Jamal wants to be released.
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JL's comments do not make him out to be a good mentor for our younger backs.
Selfish comments like this are part of the cancer that has spread throughout this team.
Cut him now!
JL's comments do not make him out to be a good mentor for our younger backs.
Selfish comments like this are part of the cancer that has spread throughout this team.
Cut him now!
I hope you're kidding.
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I hope you're kidding.
No Im not kidding, a lot of the younger guys will follow his lead. If they see JL taking plays off and getting away with it they will follow his lead. I have thought that he only showed up his first season here when nobody welse would have him. after the big savage contract he just showed up for the paycheck. Without a running game our offense sucks, any NFL offense will suck without a quality running game. So i say cut the poser, he hasn't shown me anything in almost 2 years now.
Does anyone remember at the end of last season when RAC was trying to getn him his yardage for the bunu$ money. I cant remember what game it was but he had something like 40 carries for 60 yards. oh brother.
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I hope you're kidding.
No Im not kidding, a lot of the younger guys will follow his lead. If they see JL taking plays off and getting away with it they will follow his lead. I have thought that he only showed up his first season here when nobody welse would have him. after the big savage contract he just showed up for the paycheck. Without a running game our offense sucks, any NFL offense will suck without a quality running game. So i say cut the poser, he hasn't shown me anything in almost 2 years now.
Does anyone remember at the end of last season when RAC was trying to getn him his yardage for the bunu$ money. I cant remember what game it was but he had something like 40 carries for 60 yards. oh brother.
No Im not kidding, a lot of the younger guys will follow his lead. If they see JL taking plays off and getting away with it they will follow his lead. I have thought that he only showed up his first season here when nobody welse would have him. after the big savage contract he just showed up for the paycheck. Without a running game our offense sucks, any NFL offense will suck without a quality running game. So i say cut the poser, he hasn't shown me anything in almost 2 years now.
Does anyone remember at the end of last season when RAC was trying to getn him his yardage for the bunu$ money. I cant remember what game it was but he had something like 40 carries for 60 yards. oh brother.
My fear of this started when he announced his impending retirement. He has nothing left to play for here. Why would he put forth his full effort? The guy has been a drag on this offense since last year. And this season has been no different. I have always respected J-Lew as a player, but this is rediculous! His claims are ignorant...and his timing is just so convenient for him. 8 games away from retirement and now he decides that he's being worked too hard. What a joke. I wouldn't release him. That's what he wants. Sit him on the bench. Or better yet, put him in the game and give himm 50 carries a game with the backup & third string offensive linemen. Let him get his ass kicked a little bit. Then he'll feel what hard work really is. I can't wait until we have a good RB that actually wants to be here!
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nmills said:
Sounds like an old man that cant go through the grind of the NFL anymore. Maybe he should of retired last year. The Ravens offense wasnt exactly steller when he was there, maybe they did need to practice more. I can see giving a older player like Jamal more rest, but you dont go through the media and complain to get it. Lewis said Mangini has a open door policy, but he chose not to go that route. Honestly do you really think 2 1/2 hrs a day with pads is really to much to ask. This seems like Jamal's looking for a way out to me.Yeah, except the comment is coming from a player that is known around the league for his dedication to practice and conditioning. He had young players come to his home in the offseason just to go through his program. Now if a player that has one of the most intense workout ethics in the league is saying practice is too much, it might be too much. Maybe mangini should strap on some pads and go through his own practices, I bet there would be some "adjustments to the program" after that.
Yeah, except the comment is coming from a player that is known around the league for his dedication to practice and conditioning. He had young players come to his home in the offseason just to go through his program. Now if a player that has one of the most intense workout ethics in the league is saying practice is too much, it might be too much. Maybe mangini should strap on some pads and go through his own practices, I bet there would be some "adjustments to the program" after that.
My intent was not to say Lewis isn't a hard worker, Im just questioning his attitude right now. What jamal said basicaly is that he wouldnt mind working hard if they were winning, but since there not whats the point of working hard. Mangini is doing what he beleives in and what he has seen work in the past. Its alot easier to instill deciplin and work ethic you first year, rather then to be soft then try to be a hard ass next year or there after. And for people who say Bellicheck has the credibility to be able to be demanding of his players, I would say this. He wasnt credible when he was in Cleveland and he wasnt credible when he first started to turn around the Pats, that didnt stop him from sticking to what he beleived in and it hasnt stopped mangini from doing what he beleives in. Now sure its alot more easier to buy into a program when your winning, but thats not the hand were dealt. Its a proven method of building a successful orginization, from Parcells to Coughlin, to Bellicheck and most recently Singletary. I would be more concerned if Mangini was second guessing himself on how to run the Browns, but since he's not that means he beleives in the method and has a vision for this team.
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