Hines Ward NFL's Dirtiest Player- So say his peers

[allaneddie]

This is very interesting history lessons. There are a lot of some sort of championships that went to teams from northeast Ohio. But to say that this means the Cleveland Browns have a claim to all those championships is more than a stretch. It's a laugh.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@calfoxwc said:

Say, there are high school volleyball teams, too...

The Steelers didn't have steriods back in the early days...

Wilson was SO real.

Woodrow Wilson

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28th President of the United States

In office

March 4, 1913 – March 4, 1921

Vice President Thomas R. Marshall

Preceded by William Howard Taft

Succeeded by Warren G. Harding

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34th Governor of New Jersey

In office

January 17, 1911 – March 1, 1913

Preceded by John Franklin Fort

Succeeded by James Fairman Fielder

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13th President of Princeton University

In office

1902 – 1910

Preceded by Francis L. Patton

Succeeded by John Aikman Stewart

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Born December 28, 1856(1856-12-28)

Staunton, Virginia

Died February 3, 1924 (aged 67)

Washington, D.C.

Birth name Thomas Woodrow Wilson

Political party Democratic

Spouse(s) Ellen Axson Wilson

Edith Bolling Galt Wilson

Children Margaret Woodrow Wilson

Jessie Wilson

Eleanor R. Wilson

Alma mater Princeton University

Johns Hopkins University

Profession Academic (History, Political science)

Religion Presbyterian

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Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856–February 3, 1924)[1] was the 28th President of the United States. A leading intellectual of the Progressive Era, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912. To date he is the only President to hold a doctorate of philosophy (PhD) degree and the only President to serve in a political office in New Jersey before election to the Presidency.

In his first term, Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congress to pass the Federal Reserve Act,[2] Federal Trade Commission, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and America's first-ever federal progressive income tax in the Revenue Act of 1913. In a move that garnered a backlash from civil rights groups, and is still criticized today, Wilson allowed segregation in many federal agencies,[3][4] which involved firing black workers from numerous posts.[5]

Narrowly re-elected in 1916, Wilson's second term centered on World War I. He based his re-election campaign around the slogan "he kept us out of the war," but U.S. neutrality would be short-lived. When the German government proposed to Mexico in the Zimmermann Telegram a military alliance in a war against the U.S. (promising the return of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas), and began unrestricted submarine warfare, Wilson in April 1917 asked Congress to declare war. He focused on diplomacy and financial considerations, leaving the waging of the war primarily in the hands of the Army. On the home front, he began the United States' first effective draft in 1917, raised billions in war funding through Liberty Bonds, set up the War Industries Board, promoted labor union growth, supervised agriculture and food production through the Lever Act, took over control of the railroads, enacted the first federal drug prohibition, and suppressed anti-war movements. National women's suffrage was also achieved under Wilson's presidency.

In the late stages of the war, Wilson took personal control of negotiations with Germany, including the armistice. He issued his Fourteen Points, his view of a post-war world that could avoid another terrible conflict. He went to Paris in 1919 to create the League of Nations and shape the Treaty of Versailles, with special attention on creating new nations out of defunct empires. Largely for his efforts to form the League, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. In 1919, during the bitter fight with the Republican-controlled Senate over the U.S. joining the League of Nations, Wilson collapsed with a debilitating stroke. He refused to compromise, effectively destroying any chance for ratification. The League of Nations was established anyway, but the United States never joined. Wilson's idealistic internationalism, now referred to as "Wilsonianism", which calls for the United States to enter the world arena to fight for democracy, has been a contentious position in American foreign policy, serving as a model for "idealists" to emulate and "realists" to reject ever since.

Ha HA Ha .... Thats a LOTTA Effort for a laugh. But I did laugh .

[neohionative]

@calfoxwc said:

You've used this argument twice in this thread, where the hell does hitting a guy hard translate to a lack of caring about injury? Neo

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Not hitting hard, hitting blindside cheapshot well away from the play and/or after the play is over. That's when you just want

to be feared, and couldn't care less if the guy he hits ends up in a wheel chair for life, etc.

Obviously, you didn't get it the first time, maybe the third time will be the charm?

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Sure on the far end of the spectrum there's a line that gets crossed but that's only when an action will definitely cause problems.

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So. what's the problem? The line gets crossed, well uncalled for, not in legit action, so your disagreement is... what?

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And from a Browns fan no less, we all laugh and cheer for the Bradshaw pile driver.

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No, we didn't all. But, Bradshaw was trying to pull away from Jones, and Jones was tackling him, and nailed him,

which was uncalled for. Bradshaw could have gotten a broken neck.

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If you do to, then you're an f'ing hypocrite when you use this argument.

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I don't, and I'm very consistent about it. You are wrong. Be very quiet, because if you don't,

you are an f'in hypocrite.

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A blind side hit from a smaller wide receiver is not going to permanantly injure a large defensive lineman, and while its not dainty and ruled by decorum, is still a legal manuever. Rub some dirt in it and move on.

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Away from and after the play? It most certainly is not a "legal maneuver" . You didn't spell "maneuver" correctly, btw...

And "smaller wide receiver" can't injure a defensive lineman on a blind side hit?

I call seriously, outrageously and histerical bullship.

If we're going to be a little nancy about spelling, hysterical has a 'y' in it. Outrageous and hysterical you say, well raise your BS flag all you want, cause all most of us are ingoring it. And if these hits are not legal, why is he not fined/penalized more often. If it's so blatent, I'm sure the refs would notice, or the announcers, or the other players...

[neohionative]

@professor_g said:

OK, I'm going to ask an obvious question because I'm a newbie here: Why on earth are there Hines Ward/Steelers fans on this board? I wouldn't dream of visiting a Steelers fan board. Ever. Why would I???

There's a difference between being a Stooler fan, or even a Ward fan, and having the combination of football knowledge and integrity to point out when an opponent is worthy. There were more players on that list like Jared Allen and Troy Polamalu that are widely regarded as the best at their position in the league that aren't dirty players either, it just focuses mostly on Hines because it's a Browns board. And the main instigator continually bitching about Hines being a cheater, is also one of the few fans on the board that call Polamalu a sissy; knowing damn well there'd be a statue of him in Gateway if he were playing in Cleveland.

[neohionative]

@the-gipper said:

To further translate and summarize here is the count:

Cleve/Akron/Canton: 13

Green Bay: 12

Chicago: 11

NY/NJ: 8

San Fran/Oak/SJ 7

Dallas/Ft. Worth 6

Pittsburgh 6

Washington D.C. 5

Philadelphia 4

Detroit 4

Boston/Providence 4

Baltimore 4

Miami 2

Buffalo 2

Denver 2

LA/Anaheim 2

Kansas City 1

St. Louis 1

San Diego 1

Tampa/St. Pete 1

Oh come now, are you really playing the Cleveland+ BS that far back? Man we've got a proud enough history without that argument, it just makes us look silly. Paul Brown and our team defined a majority of what is modern professional football, let that be enough.

[Kosar_For_President]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

16 teams isnt 7 and 8. And it was THE ...NBA. not some offshoot league.

Again you look like the hillbilly Retard you are. There were 14 teams in 1964. Look it up numb nuts. And a defunct league? All 14 teams are now in the NFL, how is that defunct?

[The Gipper]

@neohionative said:

Oh come now, are you really playing the Cleveland+ BS that far back? Man we've got a proud enough history without that argument, it just makes us look silly. Paul Brown and our team defined a majority of what is modern professional football, let that be enough.

I am simply giving the facts, ma'am. I am an amateur historian about sports history of a sorts. That your mind cannot digest that history doesn't mean the history didn't happen.

Some day, perhaps, you might like to know who won the Revolutionary War. (or does that go back too far for you?)

[Kosar_For_President]

@neohionative said:

Oh come now, are you really playing the Cleveland+ BS that far back? Man we've got a proud enough history without that argument, it just makes us look silly. Paul Brown and our team defined a majority of what is modern professional football, let that be enough.

Says the 6th grader.

[The Gipper]

Formerly Stone said:

When you go to the zoo, is that proof that you wish to be an incarcerated animal?

When you see a fat woman on a cart at Walmart with her cottage cheese butt dragging the ground and you actually follow her around a corner to see this display for another five seconds, is that proof that you wish to be like her?

When you watch NASCAR in hopes of seeing that awesome crash, is that proof that you want to be in a fiery car crash?

When you see a deranged homeless man standing on the corner of 9th and Euclid, preaching about judgment day, is this proof that you wish to be a homeless, mind-fried, nit-wit?

Damn but you're dense!

If you go to the Zoo when there are numerous and many other activities to do in life, it means you love going to zoos.

If you follow a fat ass broad around when there are so many other skinnier women to follow around, it means you love fat ass broads.

If you go to a NASCAR event when there are so many other sporting and recreational events to partake of, it means you love NASCAR.

If you hang out on The Cleveland Browns Board, when there are so many other sports boards to hang out at, including Steeler boards, it means you love the Cleveland Browns.

[neohionative]

@kosar_for_president said:

Says the 6th grader.

What did I do to rattle your cage? I'm pulling for a rational argument devoid of fan-driven hyperbole and bias, my apologies if that makes me a sixth grader.

[Kosar_For_President]

@neohionative said:

What did I do to rattle your cage? I'm pulling for a rational argument devoid of fan-driven hyperbole and bias, my apologies if that makes me a sixth grader.

Ok it has nothing to do with bias. I have discussed this with Bears and Packer fans on their sites. Hordes of their fan base both count those championships and equate them to their Superbowl wins in the 80's and 90's.

1. Like mentioned before, the Celtics won 9 titles with 16 teams in the league. The Browns had 14. A 2 team difference? Come on.

2. As Mr. T stated before many of the players did not know they changed the name of the championship game to the Superbowl. Quote above.

3. If there were only 14 teams, wouldn't that mean that the talent wasn't spread as thin as it is today? With less teams.

4. I have gotten quotes for both Bears and Packer fans in chat rooms like "who ever doesn't count those as titles are idiots". 30+ people responded. Both teams have Superbowl titles and both fans say the titles in the 60's counted. It's accepted.

5. "The league was defunct"? Really? All the teams that played in the 60's are now in the NFL, that is the opposite of defunct. The Browns were selling out every game 86,000 people, how is that defunct?

6. "They wore leather helmets". You tried tackling with a leather helmet, wouldn't less padding be harder on the body? The game changed just like in the NBA, from set shot and Chuck Taylor's to windmill dunks and Jordan's.

Now that is a rational argument.

[The Gipper]

@neohionative said:

Would you care to explain to me how historically an Akron and a Canton team became the Cleveland Browns and therefore their championships in their respective leagues amount to the Cleveland total? Until then shove it up your ass you pompous douchebag

You obviously need a lesson, because I suspect you are probably still in high school or something. And here is your lesson. Maybe you should take notes:

1. The important thing about the "Cleveland Browns" is the "Cleveland" part of that phrase.

2. Your screen name speaks volumes. It says NEOhionative. The "Cleveland" in Cleveland Browns in reality means "the Greater Cleveland" area. The Greater Cleveland area consists of NEOhio. The fact that a team may or may not play within the physical boudaries of the city whose name they bear is not that relevent

3. Akron, and Canton, in case you didn't know, are located in Northeast Ohio.

4. The Cleveland Browns didn't exist as an entity until 1945.

5. The NFL began in 1920, 25 years before the Browns were even dreamed of.

6. Cleveland, Greater Cleveland, Northeast Ohio had franchises in the NFL prior to the Browns. Fairly successful franchises. Championship franchises. The NFL in fact was founded right here in NEOhio.

7. Those franchises of course were not the "Cleveland Browns". The Cleveland Browns in essence are the successors in interest to those franchises. They may not be the same legal entity (franchise), but they were Northeast Ohio's teams at the time and the "spiritual" ancestors of the Browns.

8. Your sporting ancestry as a northeast ohio native includes those accomplishments of those team.

9. The Rams, the Bulldogs (Canton or Cleveland), the Akron Pros,..and the Browns all won championships right here in NEOhio which are forever recorded in the annals of football history....in the Hall of Fame, in the publications, everywhere.

10. And most of us NortheastOhio natives take pride in the accomplishments of those teams, Notwithstanding the fact that all of us were not alive to physically remember them. There are a lot of things that have happened of throughout the history of this nation that I am prideful of despite the fact I was not alive to witness them. These accomplishments of these local teams are just a very small part of that, but a part nevertheless.

Now, I will not ask you to take this and shove it up your ass. No. I will ask you to take this and shove it in your brain, and in your memory and forever retain as a piece of information that you can contemplate and perhaps someday understand. This week you celebrated Veteran's Day which arose out of Armistice Day which was the celebration of the deeds of our country's soldiers in World War I. Ergo, obviously, there must be some value to commemorating historical events. Now you can carry on, and live, and learn.

And remember this old axiom from Poor Richard's Almanack (written by Benjamin Franklin): It is better to have pomposity than to have stupidity.

[The Gipper]

Additional info for you all: When a team calls itself the So and So Whatchamacallits, that does NOT even mean that they play in the city of So and So. If teams were really named after the cities they play in, the NFL would have the following franchises:

The East Rutherford Giants

The East Rutherford Jets

The Orchard Park Bills

The Hyattsville Redskins

The Independence Chiefs

The Arlington Cowboys

The Aswabenon Packers

The Opa Locka Dolphins

The Foxboro Patriots

The Glendale Cardinals

You would have the Nashville Titans and the Minneapolis Twins

Formerly you would have had the Pontiac Lions, but they have since moved back inside Detroit.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@kosar_for_president said:

Again you look like the hillbilly Retard you are. There were 14 teams in 1964. Look it up numb nuts. And a defunct league? All 14 teams are now in the NFL, how is that defunct?

NUMBDICK... I am Talking the AAFC. (Hence Off Shoot League )I dont dispute you guys won 4 NFL Titles. Talk about Hillbilly Retards... You may want to Look in your Mirror.

1948

Western Division

Team W L T

Cleveland Browns 14 0 0

San Francisco 49ers 12 2 0

Los Angeles Dons 7 7 0

Chicago Rockets 1 13 0

Eastern Division

Team W L T

Buffalo Bills 7 7 0

Baltimore Colts 7 7 0

New York Yankees 6 8 0

Brooklyn Dodgers 2 12 0

Thats EIGHT TEAMS ( I Meant 7 Other Teams and the Browns)

1964 WAS the NFL YOU Idiot !!!! ???? WHAT ???? Are YOU talking about ?

Hillbilly Retard That !!! Seriously ...what are you even thinking ?

[The Gipper]

And this is no different than the NFL. Many, many NFL teams are now defunct. That does not diminish the titles that were won in the NFL. Some of those titles were won by now defunct teams.

[neohionative]

@kosar_for_president said:

Ok it has nothing to do with bias. I have discussed this with Bears and Packer fans on their sites. Hordes of their fan base both count those championships and equate them to their Superbowl wins in the 80's and 90's.

1. Like mentioned before, the Celtics won 9 titles with 16 teams in the league. The Browns had 14. A 2 team difference? Come on.

2. As Mr. T stated before many of the players did not know they changed the name of the championship game to the Superbowl. Quote above.

3. If there were only 14 teams, wouldn't that mean that the talent wasn't spread as thin as it is today? With less teams.

4. I have gotten quotes for both Bears and Packer fans in chat rooms like "who ever doesn't count those as titles are idiots". 30+ people responded. Both teams have Superbowl titles and both fans say the titles in the 60's counted. It's accepted.

5. "The league was defunct"? Really? All the teams that played in the 60's are now in the NFL, that is the opposite of defunct. The Browns were selling out every game 86,000 people, how is that defunct?

6. "They wore leather helmets". You tried tackling with a leather helmet, wouldn't less padding be harder on the body? The game changed just like in the NBA, from set shot and Chuck Taylor's to windmill dunks and Jordan's.

Now that is a rational argument.

Yes that is a rational argument, but I think you may have confused me with another set of posts. I'd never argue those points, and don't remember having done so before either. Hence my confusion with the animosity.

[neohionative]

@the-gipper said:

You obviously need a lesson, because I suspect you are probably still in high school or something. And here is your lesson. Maybe you should take notes:

1. The important thing about the "Cleveland Browns" is the "Cleveland" part of that phrase.

2. Your screen name speaks volumes. It says NEOhionative. The "Cleveland" in Cleveland Browns in reality means "the Greater Cleveland" area. The Greater Cleveland area consists of NEOhio. The fact that a team may or may not play within the physical boudaries of the city whose name they bear is not that relevent

3. Akron, and Canton, in case you didn't know, are located in Northeast Ohio.

4. The Cleveland Browns didn't exist as an entity until 1945.

5. The NFL began in 1920, 25 years before the Browns were even dreamed of.

6. Cleveland, Greater Cleveland, Northeast Ohio had franchises in the NFL prior to the Browns. Fairly successful franchises. Championship franchises. The NFL in fact was founded right here in NEOhio.

7. Those franchises of course were not the "Cleveland Browns". The Cleveland Browns in essence are the successors in interest to those franchises. They may not be the same legal entity (franchise), but they were Northeast Ohio's teams at the time and the "spiritual" ancestors of the Browns.

8. Your sporting ancestry as a northeast ohio native includes those accomplishments of those team.

9. The Rams, the Bulldogs (Canton or Cleveland), the Akron Pros,..and the Browns all won championships right here in NEOhio which are forever recorded in the annals of football history....in the Hall of Fame, in the publications, everywhere.

10. And most of us NortheastOhio natives take pride in the accomplishments of those teams, Notwithstanding the fact that all of us were not alive to physically remember them. There are a lot of things that have happened of throughout the history of this nation that I am prideful of despite the fact I was not alive to witness them. These accomplishments of these local teams are just a very small part of that, but a part nevertheless.

Now, I will not ask you to take this and shove it up your ass. No. I will ask you to take this and shove it in your brain, and in your memory and forever retain as a piece of information that you can contemplate and perhaps someday understand. This week you celebrated Veteran's Day which arose out of Armistice Day which was the celebration of the deeds of our country's soldiers in World War I. Ergo, obviously, there must be some value to commemorating historical events. Now you can carry on, and live, and learn.

And remember this old axiom from Poor Richard's Almanack (written by Benjamin Franklin): It is better to have pomposity than to have stupidity.

You can ride your high horse all you want, that doesn't make those championships the Browns, its a non-argument just because they're all from the same region. With that logic you could combine the wins of the Yankees, Mets, and Dodgers since they were originally from Brooklyn. It's just not reasonable, no matter how much you try to rationalize.

[Kosar_For_President]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

1964 WAS the NFL YOU Idiot !!!!

Browns 27 Colts 0

[DJHERO]

it makes the browns fans feel good to count garbage championships. why not count backyard football games too?

The browns cannot even sell out a MNF game.. this year will be Super Bowl 44 and no Browns team has ever been good enough to even play in one.

Keep counting those backyard football championships..chuckles...

[Kosar_For_President]

@djhero said:

it makes the browns fans feel good to count garbage championships. why not count backyard football games too?

The browns cannot even sell out a MNF game.. this year will be Super Bowl 44 and no Browns team has ever been good enough to even play in one.

Keep counting those backyard football championships..chuckles...

Still posting while YOUR game is on. Truly sad.