Hines Ward NFL's Dirtiest Player- So say his peers

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@kosar_for_president said:

Is anyone saying that about the Celtics dynasty? When the Celtics won their 9th straight there were 16 teams in the league, 14 in the AAFL when the Browns dominated. Is anyone saying "Well, the Celtics wore Chuck Taylor's then, and most shots were set shots, so it doesn't count". Hell no.

16 teams isnt 7 and 8. And it was THE ...NBA. not some offshoot league.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@the-gipper said:

Can't you do your own research? These are pro football titles won by teams in Northeast Ohio, the Greater Cleveland Area.

I guess I have to do everything for you yabos:

Years Leagues Champions

2009 NFL

2008 NFL Super Bowl XLIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Arizona Cardinals (NFC,9-7), Score: 27-23

2007 NFL Super Bowl XLII: New York Giants (NFC,10-6) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,16-0), Score: 17-14

2006 NFL Super Bowl XLI: Indianapolis Colts (AFC,12-4) defeated Chicago Bears (NFC,13-3), Score: 29-17

2005 NFL Super Bowl XL: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5) defeated Seattle Seahawks (NFC,13-3), Score: 21-10

2004 NFL Super Bowl XXXIX: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,13-3), Score: 24-21

2003 NFL Super Bowl XXXVIII: New England Patriots (AFC,14-2) defeated Carolina Panthers (NFC,11-5), Score: 32-29

2002 NFL Super Bowl XXXVII: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (NFC,12-4) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5), Score: 48-21

2001 NFL Super Bowl XXXVI: New England Patriots (AFC,11-5) defeated St. Louis Rams (NFC,14-2), Score: 20-17

2000 NFL Super Bowl XXXV: Baltimore Ravens (AFC,12-4) defeated New York Giants (NFC,12-4), Score: 34-7

1999 NFL Super Bowl XXXIV: St. Louis Rams (NFC,13-3) defeated Tennessee Titans (AFC,13-3), Score: 23-16

1998 NFL Super Bowl XXXIII: Denver Broncos (AFC,14-2) defeated Atlanta Falcons (NFC,14-2), Score: 34-19

1997 NFL Super Bowl XXXII: Denver Broncos (AFC,12-4) defeated Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3), Score: 31-24

1996 NFL Super Bowl XXXI: Green Bay Packers (NFC,13-3) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 35-21

1995 NFL Super Bowl XXX: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,11-5), Score: 27-17

1994 NFL Super Bowl XXIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated San Diego Chargers (AFC,11-5), Score: 49-26

1993 NFL Super Bowl XXVIII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,12-4), Score: 30-13

1992 NFL Super Bowl XXVII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,11-5), Score: 52-17

1991 NFL Super Bowl XXVI: Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 37-24

1990 NFL Super Bowl XXV: New York Giants (NFC,13-3) defeated Buffalo Bills (AFC,13-3), Score: 20-19

1989 NFL Super Bowl XXIV: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 55-10

1988 NFL Super Bowl XXIII: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,10-6) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 20-16

1987 NFL Super Bowl XXII: Washington Redskins (NFC,11-4) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,10-4-1), Score: 42-10

1986 NFL Super Bowl XXI: New York Giants (NFC,14-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,11-5), Score: 39-20

1985 NFL Super Bowl XX: Chicago Bears (NFC,15-1) defeated New England Patriots (AFC,11-5), Score: 46-10

1984 NFL Super Bowl XIX: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,15-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-2), Score: 38-16

1983 NFL Super Bowl XVIII: Los Angeles Raiders (AFC,12-4) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,14-2), Score: 38-9

1982 NFL Super Bowl XVII: Washington Redskins (NFC,8-1) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,7-2), Score: 27-17

1981 NFL Super Bowl XVI: San Francisco 49ers (NFC,13-3) defeated Cincinnati Bengals (AFC,12-4), Score: 26-21

1980 NFL Super Bowl XV: Oakland Raiders (AFC,11-5) defeated Philadelphia Eagles (NFC,12-4), Score: 27-10

1979 NFL Super Bowl XIV: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-4) defeated Los Angeles Rams (NFC,9-7), Score: 31-19

1978 NFL Super Bowl XIII: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,14-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-4), Score: 35-31

1977 NFL Super Bowl XII: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,12-2) defeated Denver Broncos (AFC,12-2), Score: 27-10

1976 NFL Super Bowl XI: Oakland Raiders (AFC,13-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,11-2-1), Score: 32-14

1975 NFL Super Bowl X: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,12-2) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 21-17

1974 NFL Super Bowl IX: Pittsburgh Steelers (AFC,10-3-1) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-6

1973 NFL Super Bowl VIII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,12-2) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFC,12-2), Score: 24-7

1972 NFL Super Bowl VII: Miami Dolphins (AFC,14-0) defeated Washington Redskins (NFC,11-3), Score: 14-7

1971 NFL Super Bowl VI: Dallas Cowboys (NFC,11-3) defeated Miami Dolphins (AFC,10-3-1), Score: 24-3

1970 NFL Super Bowl V: Baltimore Colts (AFC,11-2-1) defeated Dallas Cowboys (NFC,10-4), Score: 16-13

1969 NFL AFL Super Bowl IV: Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-3) defeated Minnesota Vikings (NFL,12-2), Score: 23-7

1968 NFL AFL Super Bowl III: New York Jets (AFL,11-3) defeated Baltimore Colts (NFL,13-1), Score: 16-7

1967 NFL AFL Super Bowl II: Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-4-1) defeated Oakland Raiders (AFL,13-1), Score: 33-14

1966 NFL AFL Super Bowl I: Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2) defeated Kansas City Chiefs (AFL,11-2-1), Score: 35-10

1965 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,10-3-1)

1964 NFL AFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-3-1), Buffalo Bills (AFL,12-2)

1963 NFL AFL Chicago Bears (NFL,11-1-2), San Diego Chargers (AFL,11-3)

1962 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,13-1), Dallas Texans (AFL,11-3)

1961 NFL AFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,11-3), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-3-1)

1960 NFL AFL Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,10-2), Houston Oilers (AFL,10-4)

1959 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)

1958 NFL Baltimore Colts (NFL,9-3)

1957 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,8-4)

1956 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-3-1)

1955 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-2-1)

1954 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,9-3)

1953 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,10-2)

1952 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,9-3)

1951 NFL Los Angeles Rams (NFL,8-4)

1950 NFL Cleveland Browns (NFL,10-2)

1949 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,11-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,9-1-2)

1948 NFL AAFC Philadelphia Eagles (NFL,9-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,14-0)

1947 NFL AAFC Chicago Cardinals (NFL,9-3), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-1-1)

1946 NFL AAFC Chicago Bears (NFL,8-2-1), Cleveland Browns (AAFC,12-2)

1945 NFL Cleveland Rams (NFL,9-1)

1944 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,8-2)

1943 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-1-1)

1942 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,10-1)

1941 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-1)

1940 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,8-3)

1939 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,9-2)

1938 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-2-1)

1937 NFL Washington Redskins (NFL,8-3)

1936 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-1-1)

1935 NFL Detroit Lions (NFL,7-3-2)

1934 NFL New York Giants (NFL,8-5)

1933 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,10-2-1)

1932 NFL Chicago Bears (NFL,7-1-6)

1931 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-2)

1930 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,10-3-1)

1929 NFL Green Bay Packers (NFL,12-0-1)

1928 NFL Providence Steam Roller (NFL,8-1-2)

1927 NFL New York Giants (NFL,11-1-1)

1926 NFL Frankford Yellow Jackets (NFL,14-1-2)

1925 NFL Chicago Cardinals (NFL,11-2-1)

1924 NFL Cleveland Bulldogs (NFL,7-1-1)

1923 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,11-0-1)

1922 NFL Canton Bulldogs (NFL,10-0-2)

1921 APFA Chicago Staleys (APFA,9-1-1)

1920 APFA Akron Pros (APFA,8-0-3)

FYI, anything that say Akron/Canton/Cleveland is in Northeast Ohio, in case you need that geography lesson

The CLEVELAND BROWNS have 4 NFL Titles. Just because Tom Hanks painted a face on a Volleyball didn't make "Wilson" a Real Person !!! And just because you say PRO FOOTBALL TITLES Doesn't make Them NFL Titles ....Smart ass. I didn't ASK for YOU to do my research . I asked YOU how many NFL Titles the Browns had. The 4 they have is a nice Number.... And I respect the Browns History. But don't try to pawn off AAFC Titles and freaking titles in by OTHER Northeaster Ohio Teams as something Relevant as to how many NFL .... NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE Titles the Cleveland Browns have !!! Be proud of what your team did not some embellishment of it !! AAFC Titles nice but basically even by the Name of the Association they were CONFERENCE Titles.

[calfoxwc]

Say, there are high school volleyball teams, too...

The Steelers didn't have steriods back in the early days...

Wilson was SO real.

Woodrow Wilson

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Redirected from Woodrow wilson)

28th President of the United States

In office

March 4, 1913 – March 4, 1921

Vice President Thomas R. Marshall

Preceded by William Howard Taft

Succeeded by Warren G. Harding

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34th Governor of New Jersey

In office

January 17, 1911 – March 1, 1913

Preceded by John Franklin Fort

Succeeded by James Fairman Fielder

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13th President of Princeton University

In office

1902 – 1910

Preceded by Francis L. Patton

Succeeded by John Aikman Stewart

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Born December 28, 1856(1856-12-28)

Staunton, Virginia

Died February 3, 1924 (aged 67)

Washington, D.C.

Birth name Thomas Woodrow Wilson

Political party Democratic

Spouse(s) Ellen Axson Wilson

Edith Bolling Galt Wilson

Children Margaret Woodrow Wilson

Jessie Wilson

Eleanor R. Wilson

Alma mater Princeton University

Johns Hopkins University

Profession Academic (History, Political science)

Religion Presbyterian

Signature

Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856–February 3, 1924)[1] was the 28th President of the United States. A leading intellectual of the Progressive Era, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912. To date he is the only President to hold a doctorate of philosophy (PhD) degree and the only President to serve in a political office in New Jersey before election to the Presidency.

In his first term, Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congress to pass the Federal Reserve Act,[2] Federal Trade Commission, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and America's first-ever federal progressive income tax in the Revenue Act of 1913. In a move that garnered a backlash from civil rights groups, and is still criticized today, Wilson allowed segregation in many federal agencies,[3][4] which involved firing black workers from numerous posts.[5]

Narrowly re-elected in 1916, Wilson's second term centered on World War I. He based his re-election campaign around the slogan "he kept us out of the war," but U.S. neutrality would be short-lived. When the German government proposed to Mexico in the Zimmermann Telegram a military alliance in a war against the U.S. (promising the return of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas), and began unrestricted submarine warfare, Wilson in April 1917 asked Congress to declare war. He focused on diplomacy and financial considerations, leaving the waging of the war primarily in the hands of the Army. On the home front, he began the United States' first effective draft in 1917, raised billions in war funding through Liberty Bonds, set up the War Industries Board, promoted labor union growth, supervised agriculture and food production through the Lever Act, took over control of the railroads, enacted the first federal drug prohibition, and suppressed anti-war movements. National women's suffrage was also achieved under Wilson's presidency.

In the late stages of the war, Wilson took personal control of negotiations with Germany, including the armistice. He issued his Fourteen Points, his view of a post-war world that could avoid another terrible conflict. He went to Paris in 1919 to create the League of Nations and shape the Treaty of Versailles, with special attention on creating new nations out of defunct empires. Largely for his efforts to form the League, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. In 1919, during the bitter fight with the Republican-controlled Senate over the U.S. joining the League of Nations, Wilson collapsed with a debilitating stroke. He refused to compromise, effectively destroying any chance for ratification. The League of Nations was established anyway, but the United States never joined. Wilson's idealistic internationalism, now referred to as "Wilsonianism", which calls for the United States to enter the world arena to fight for democracy, has been a contentious position in American foreign policy, serving as a model for "idealists" to emulate and "realists" to reject ever since.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@the-gipper said:

You are the one that has to spin a spider web around your dick to try to discredit history.

All we gotta do is count. Starting with ONE.

I can discount every single one of your alleged arguments. But, I don't need to.

Because, as a lawyer, I know the adage: "When the facts are against you, argue the law. When the law is against you, argue the facts. When the facts and the law are against you, pull shit out of your ass.

You see, I have the facts AND the law on my side. And what you have is shit out of your ass. No need for me to touch that

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A Lawyer and You are spouting this crap , now that makes sense. Professional SPIN ~Artist !!

[allaneddie]

This is very interesting history lessons. There are a lot of some sort of championships that went to teams from northeast Ohio. But to say that this means the Cleveland Browns have a claim to all those championships is more than a stretch. It's a laugh.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@calfoxwc said:

Say, there are high school volleyball teams, too...

The Steelers didn't have steriods back in the early days...

Wilson was SO real.

Woodrow Wilson

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Redirected from Woodrow wilson)

28th President of the United States

In office

March 4, 1913 – March 4, 1921

Vice President Thomas R. Marshall

Preceded by William Howard Taft

Succeeded by Warren G. Harding

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34th Governor of New Jersey

In office

January 17, 1911 – March 1, 1913

Preceded by John Franklin Fort

Succeeded by James Fairman Fielder

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

13th President of Princeton University

In office

1902 – 1910

Preceded by Francis L. Patton

Succeeded by John Aikman Stewart

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Born December 28, 1856(1856-12-28)

Staunton, Virginia

Died February 3, 1924 (aged 67)

Washington, D.C.

Birth name Thomas Woodrow Wilson

Political party Democratic

Spouse(s) Ellen Axson Wilson

Edith Bolling Galt Wilson

Children Margaret Woodrow Wilson

Jessie Wilson

Eleanor R. Wilson

Alma mater Princeton University

Johns Hopkins University

Profession Academic (History, Political science)

Religion Presbyterian

Signature

Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856–February 3, 1924)[1] was the 28th President of the United States. A leading intellectual of the Progressive Era, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912. To date he is the only President to hold a doctorate of philosophy (PhD) degree and the only President to serve in a political office in New Jersey before election to the Presidency.

In his first term, Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congress to pass the Federal Reserve Act,[2] Federal Trade Commission, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and America's first-ever federal progressive income tax in the Revenue Act of 1913. In a move that garnered a backlash from civil rights groups, and is still criticized today, Wilson allowed segregation in many federal agencies,[3][4] which involved firing black workers from numerous posts.[5]

Narrowly re-elected in 1916, Wilson's second term centered on World War I. He based his re-election campaign around the slogan "he kept us out of the war," but U.S. neutrality would be short-lived. When the German government proposed to Mexico in the Zimmermann Telegram a military alliance in a war against the U.S. (promising the return of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas), and began unrestricted submarine warfare, Wilson in April 1917 asked Congress to declare war. He focused on diplomacy and financial considerations, leaving the waging of the war primarily in the hands of the Army. On the home front, he began the United States' first effective draft in 1917, raised billions in war funding through Liberty Bonds, set up the War Industries Board, promoted labor union growth, supervised agriculture and food production through the Lever Act, took over control of the railroads, enacted the first federal drug prohibition, and suppressed anti-war movements. National women's suffrage was also achieved under Wilson's presidency.

In the late stages of the war, Wilson took personal control of negotiations with Germany, including the armistice. He issued his Fourteen Points, his view of a post-war world that could avoid another terrible conflict. He went to Paris in 1919 to create the League of Nations and shape the Treaty of Versailles, with special attention on creating new nations out of defunct empires. Largely for his efforts to form the League, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. In 1919, during the bitter fight with the Republican-controlled Senate over the U.S. joining the League of Nations, Wilson collapsed with a debilitating stroke. He refused to compromise, effectively destroying any chance for ratification. The League of Nations was established anyway, but the United States never joined. Wilson's idealistic internationalism, now referred to as "Wilsonianism", which calls for the United States to enter the world arena to fight for democracy, has been a contentious position in American foreign policy, serving as a model for "idealists" to emulate and "realists" to reject ever since.

Ha HA Ha .... Thats a LOTTA Effort for a laugh. But I did laugh .

[neohionative]

@calfoxwc said:

You've used this argument twice in this thread, where the hell does hitting a guy hard translate to a lack of caring about injury? Neo

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Not hitting hard, hitting blindside cheapshot well away from the play and/or after the play is over. That's when you just want

to be feared, and couldn't care less if the guy he hits ends up in a wheel chair for life, etc.

Obviously, you didn't get it the first time, maybe the third time will be the charm?

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Sure on the far end of the spectrum there's a line that gets crossed but that's only when an action will definitely cause problems.

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So. what's the problem? The line gets crossed, well uncalled for, not in legit action, so your disagreement is... what?

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And from a Browns fan no less, we all laugh and cheer for the Bradshaw pile driver.

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No, we didn't all. But, Bradshaw was trying to pull away from Jones, and Jones was tackling him, and nailed him,

which was uncalled for. Bradshaw could have gotten a broken neck.

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If you do to, then you're an f'ing hypocrite when you use this argument.

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I don't, and I'm very consistent about it. You are wrong. Be very quiet, because if you don't,

you are an f'in hypocrite.

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A blind side hit from a smaller wide receiver is not going to permanantly injure a large defensive lineman, and while its not dainty and ruled by decorum, is still a legal manuever. Rub some dirt in it and move on.

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Away from and after the play? It most certainly is not a "legal maneuver" . You didn't spell "maneuver" correctly, btw...

And "smaller wide receiver" can't injure a defensive lineman on a blind side hit?

I call seriously, outrageously and histerical bullship.

If we're going to be a little nancy about spelling, hysterical has a 'y' in it. Outrageous and hysterical you say, well raise your BS flag all you want, cause all most of us are ingoring it. And if these hits are not legal, why is he not fined/penalized more often. If it's so blatent, I'm sure the refs would notice, or the announcers, or the other players...

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@professor_g said:

OK, I'm going to ask an obvious question because I'm a newbie here: Why on earth are there Hines Ward/Steelers fans on this board? I wouldn't dream of visiting a Steelers fan board. Ever. Why would I???

There's a difference between being a Stooler fan, or even a Ward fan, and having the combination of football knowledge and integrity to point out when an opponent is worthy. There were more players on that list like Jared Allen and Troy Polamalu that are widely regarded as the best at their position in the league that aren't dirty players either, it just focuses mostly on Hines because it's a Browns board. And the main instigator continually bitching about Hines being a cheater, is also one of the few fans on the board that call Polamalu a sissy; knowing damn well there'd be a statue of him in Gateway if he were playing in Cleveland.

[neohionative]

@the-gipper said:

To further translate and summarize here is the count:

Cleve/Akron/Canton: 13

Green Bay: 12

Chicago: 11

NY/NJ: 8

San Fran/Oak/SJ 7

Dallas/Ft. Worth 6

Pittsburgh 6

Washington D.C. 5

Philadelphia 4

Detroit 4

Boston/Providence 4

Baltimore 4

Miami 2

Buffalo 2

Denver 2

LA/Anaheim 2

Kansas City 1

St. Louis 1

San Diego 1

Tampa/St. Pete 1

Oh come now, are you really playing the Cleveland+ BS that far back? Man we've got a proud enough history without that argument, it just makes us look silly. Paul Brown and our team defined a majority of what is modern professional football, let that be enough.

[Kosar_For_President]

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

16 teams isnt 7 and 8. And it was THE ...NBA. not some offshoot league.

Again you look like the hillbilly Retard you are. There were 14 teams in 1964. Look it up numb nuts. And a defunct league? All 14 teams are now in the NFL, how is that defunct?

[The Gipper]

@neohionative said:

Oh come now, are you really playing the Cleveland+ BS that far back? Man we've got a proud enough history without that argument, it just makes us look silly. Paul Brown and our team defined a majority of what is modern professional football, let that be enough.

I am simply giving the facts, ma'am. I am an amateur historian about sports history of a sorts. That your mind cannot digest that history doesn't mean the history didn't happen.

Some day, perhaps, you might like to know who won the Revolutionary War. (or does that go back too far for you?)

[Kosar_For_President]

@neohionative said:

Oh come now, are you really playing the Cleveland+ BS that far back? Man we've got a proud enough history without that argument, it just makes us look silly. Paul Brown and our team defined a majority of what is modern professional football, let that be enough.

Says the 6th grader.

[The Gipper]

Formerly Stone said:

When you go to the zoo, is that proof that you wish to be an incarcerated animal?

When you see a fat woman on a cart at Walmart with her cottage cheese butt dragging the ground and you actually follow her around a corner to see this display for another five seconds, is that proof that you wish to be like her?

When you watch NASCAR in hopes of seeing that awesome crash, is that proof that you want to be in a fiery car crash?

When you see a deranged homeless man standing on the corner of 9th and Euclid, preaching about judgment day, is this proof that you wish to be a homeless, mind-fried, nit-wit?

Damn but you're dense!

If you go to the Zoo when there are numerous and many other activities to do in life, it means you love going to zoos.

If you follow a fat ass broad around when there are so many other skinnier women to follow around, it means you love fat ass broads.

If you go to a NASCAR event when there are so many other sporting and recreational events to partake of, it means you love NASCAR.

If you hang out on The Cleveland Browns Board, when there are so many other sports boards to hang out at, including Steeler boards, it means you love the Cleveland Browns.

[neohionative]

@kosar_for_president said:

Says the 6th grader.

What did I do to rattle your cage? I'm pulling for a rational argument devoid of fan-driven hyperbole and bias, my apologies if that makes me a sixth grader.

[Kosar_For_President]

@neohionative said:

What did I do to rattle your cage? I'm pulling for a rational argument devoid of fan-driven hyperbole and bias, my apologies if that makes me a sixth grader.

Ok it has nothing to do with bias. I have discussed this with Bears and Packer fans on their sites. Hordes of their fan base both count those championships and equate them to their Superbowl wins in the 80's and 90's.

1. Like mentioned before, the Celtics won 9 titles with 16 teams in the league. The Browns had 14. A 2 team difference? Come on.

2. As Mr. T stated before many of the players did not know they changed the name of the championship game to the Superbowl. Quote above.

3. If there were only 14 teams, wouldn't that mean that the talent wasn't spread as thin as it is today? With less teams.

4. I have gotten quotes for both Bears and Packer fans in chat rooms like "who ever doesn't count those as titles are idiots". 30+ people responded. Both teams have Superbowl titles and both fans say the titles in the 60's counted. It's accepted.

5. "The league was defunct"? Really? All the teams that played in the 60's are now in the NFL, that is the opposite of defunct. The Browns were selling out every game 86,000 people, how is that defunct?

6. "They wore leather helmets". You tried tackling with a leather helmet, wouldn't less padding be harder on the body? The game changed just like in the NBA, from set shot and Chuck Taylor's to windmill dunks and Jordan's.

Now that is a rational argument.

[The Gipper]

@neohionative said:

Would you care to explain to me how historically an Akron and a Canton team became the Cleveland Browns and therefore their championships in their respective leagues amount to the Cleveland total? Until then shove it up your ass you pompous douchebag

You obviously need a lesson, because I suspect you are probably still in high school or something. And here is your lesson. Maybe you should take notes:

1. The important thing about the "Cleveland Browns" is the "Cleveland" part of that phrase.

2. Your screen name speaks volumes. It says NEOhionative. The "Cleveland" in Cleveland Browns in reality means "the Greater Cleveland" area. The Greater Cleveland area consists of NEOhio. The fact that a team may or may not play within the physical boudaries of the city whose name they bear is not that relevent

3. Akron, and Canton, in case you didn't know, are located in Northeast Ohio.

4. The Cleveland Browns didn't exist as an entity until 1945.

5. The NFL began in 1920, 25 years before the Browns were even dreamed of.

6. Cleveland, Greater Cleveland, Northeast Ohio had franchises in the NFL prior to the Browns. Fairly successful franchises. Championship franchises. The NFL in fact was founded right here in NEOhio.

7. Those franchises of course were not the "Cleveland Browns". The Cleveland Browns in essence are the successors in interest to those franchises. They may not be the same legal entity (franchise), but they were Northeast Ohio's teams at the time and the "spiritual" ancestors of the Browns.

8. Your sporting ancestry as a northeast ohio native includes those accomplishments of those team.

9. The Rams, the Bulldogs (Canton or Cleveland), the Akron Pros,..and the Browns all won championships right here in NEOhio which are forever recorded in the annals of football history....in the Hall of Fame, in the publications, everywhere.

10. And most of us NortheastOhio natives take pride in the accomplishments of those teams, Notwithstanding the fact that all of us were not alive to physically remember them. There are a lot of things that have happened of throughout the history of this nation that I am prideful of despite the fact I was not alive to witness them. These accomplishments of these local teams are just a very small part of that, but a part nevertheless.

Now, I will not ask you to take this and shove it up your ass. No. I will ask you to take this and shove it in your brain, and in your memory and forever retain as a piece of information that you can contemplate and perhaps someday understand. This week you celebrated Veteran's Day which arose out of Armistice Day which was the celebration of the deeds of our country's soldiers in World War I. Ergo, obviously, there must be some value to commemorating historical events. Now you can carry on, and live, and learn.

And remember this old axiom from Poor Richard's Almanack (written by Benjamin Franklin): It is better to have pomposity than to have stupidity.

[The Gipper]

Additional info for you all: When a team calls itself the So and So Whatchamacallits, that does NOT even mean that they play in the city of So and So. If teams were really named after the cities they play in, the NFL would have the following franchises:

The East Rutherford Giants

The East Rutherford Jets

The Orchard Park Bills

The Hyattsville Redskins

The Independence Chiefs

The Arlington Cowboys

The Aswabenon Packers

The Opa Locka Dolphins

The Foxboro Patriots

The Glendale Cardinals

You would have the Nashville Titans and the Minneapolis Twins

Formerly you would have had the Pontiac Lions, but they have since moved back inside Detroit.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@kosar_for_president said:

Again you look like the hillbilly Retard you are. There were 14 teams in 1964. Look it up numb nuts. And a defunct league? All 14 teams are now in the NFL, how is that defunct?

NUMBDICK... I am Talking the AAFC. (Hence Off Shoot League )I dont dispute you guys won 4 NFL Titles. Talk about Hillbilly Retards... You may want to Look in your Mirror.

1948

Western Division

Team W L T

Cleveland Browns 14 0 0

San Francisco 49ers 12 2 0

Los Angeles Dons 7 7 0

Chicago Rockets 1 13 0

Eastern Division

Team W L T

Buffalo Bills 7 7 0

Baltimore Colts 7 7 0

New York Yankees 6 8 0

Brooklyn Dodgers 2 12 0

Thats EIGHT TEAMS ( I Meant 7 Other Teams and the Browns)

1964 WAS the NFL YOU Idiot !!!! ???? WHAT ???? Are YOU talking about ?

Hillbilly Retard That !!! Seriously ...what are you even thinking ?

[The Gipper]

And this is no different than the NFL. Many, many NFL teams are now defunct. That does not diminish the titles that were won in the NFL. Some of those titles were won by now defunct teams.

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@kosar_for_president said:

Ok it has nothing to do with bias. I have discussed this with Bears and Packer fans on their sites. Hordes of their fan base both count those championships and equate them to their Superbowl wins in the 80's and 90's.

1. Like mentioned before, the Celtics won 9 titles with 16 teams in the league. The Browns had 14. A 2 team difference? Come on.

2. As Mr. T stated before many of the players did not know they changed the name of the championship game to the Superbowl. Quote above.

3. If there were only 14 teams, wouldn't that mean that the talent wasn't spread as thin as it is today? With less teams.

4. I have gotten quotes for both Bears and Packer fans in chat rooms like "who ever doesn't count those as titles are idiots". 30+ people responded. Both teams have Superbowl titles and both fans say the titles in the 60's counted. It's accepted.

5. "The league was defunct"? Really? All the teams that played in the 60's are now in the NFL, that is the opposite of defunct. The Browns were selling out every game 86,000 people, how is that defunct?

6. "They wore leather helmets". You tried tackling with a leather helmet, wouldn't less padding be harder on the body? The game changed just like in the NBA, from set shot and Chuck Taylor's to windmill dunks and Jordan's.

Now that is a rational argument.

Yes that is a rational argument, but I think you may have confused me with another set of posts. I'd never argue those points, and don't remember having done so before either. Hence my confusion with the animosity.