Cribbs intends to walk after low offer

[BuckeyeBest2]

@lambdo said:

We have the cap space and the guy is a true football player.

2.5 is reasonable and affordable for a guy that can be a game breaker and makes as many big plays as he does and did all season..if he is not a WR then go get one..Having Josh Cribbs on our team is an asset period.

PAY HIM by giving negociating a larger signing bonus ..a little more on the salary and move on... we've certainly paid more for less talent in the past

if he's just going to be a STer then he should get paid STer money which is about 1-1.5 mil max

Cribbs is also asking for more then the 2,5 you mentioned

[BuckeyeBest2]

@maintainin125 said:

Yes Cribbs made a mistake by signing that contract which did not seem like a mistake at the time. Right now though Cribbs has proven to us and everyone that he deserves to be making more money. You can't be serious with the doubling of his salary 1.4 millions in the NFL thats chump change and everyone knows it. Free agent or not Holmgren would be better served by paying this man what he deserves immediately.

or what? Cribbs cant do anything but ruin his career he pretty much has to take what the browns offer him or chances are his career is done because just because he demands a trade doesnt mean it will happen

[Westside Steve]

@joesixpat said:

I think Cribbs is interested in a big guarantee - not incentives. Why would he agree to having absolutely no financial security in case of injury?

Why would the Brwons agree to pay star money to a guy who will not see the ball drift his way?

It isn't a matter of why anyway.

It was his agent that signed him up for the security that an undrafted free agent wants.

WSS

[DawgTracker]

If he walks over to walmart he will find that they pay way less than $1.4 mil

[Speedyd900rr]

@joesixpat said:

I think Cribbs is interested in a big guarantee - not incentives. Why would he agree to having absolutely no financial security in case of injury?

He already did that when he signed his original contract.

[Speedyd900rr]

@maintainin125 said:

Yes Cribbs made a mistake by signing that contract which did not seem like a mistake at the time. Right now though Cribbs has proven to us and everyone that he deserves to be making more money. You can't be serious with the doubling of his salary 1.4 millions in the NFL thats chump change and everyone knows it. Free agent or not Holmgren would be better served by paying this man what he deserves immediately.

I wouldn't consider signing that contract a mistake. If he wouldn't of signed it he might not even be in the NFL today. Remember nobody wanted him on draft day. Chances are he would be busting his arse putting that college education to work. The ONLY reason I feel he deserves more money is not cause he's the best special teams player in the league but because he's playing on offense ALONG with special teams. He signed up to return kicks and they have him doing alot more then that now. With more playing time comes more high risk activities. If he didn't leave the bench execpt for kickoffs I would say dont pay him, he's just doing what he signed up for BUT now they have him playing 3 other positions so there's a bigger chance he could get crippled for the rest of his life.

[Steeler SChick]

Cribbs realizes he has a conflict of interest.

He's likely the only stains player with a future, and he's still a stains player - hence the conflict.

Regards

....an'at

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[DawgTracker]

Ah, but he can enjoy dropping stains on Pittsburg

[sisky fringo]

@atenears said:

(career numbers below)

Hester

RECEIVING: 128 catches for 1721-yrds, 8-TD's

Cribbs

RECEIVING: 36 catches for 288-yrds, 2-TD's

Hester

PUNT RETURN: 145 rtrns for 1636-yrds (11.3 avg), 7-TD's

Cribbs

PUNT RETURN: 103 rtrns for 1141-yrds (7.9 avg), 2-TD's

Hester

KICK RETURN: 101 rtrns for 2297-yrds (22.7 avg), 4-TD's

Cribbs

KICK RETURN: 262 rtrns for 7049-yrds (26.6 avg), 8-TD's

Hester

RUSHING: 18 carries for 50-yrds, 0-TD's

Cribbs

RUSHING: 95 carries for 620-yrds, 2-TD's

Where does Cribbs fit-in in comparison to Hester? That is the million dollar question.

Now ask yourselves, how long do players last as Punt & Kick Returners?

How important are ANY yards, no matter where they come from? Cribbs totals 9098-yrds, Hester just 5704-yrds from above totals.

Do you think Holmgren will continue to run the WildDawg?

plus you have to include his phenomenal coverage on ST, and his great perimeter blocking as a WR helped allow Harrison to have the season he did>>>both HUGE contributions often overlooked. he eats up two blockers on ST coverages and if given single coverage he makes a huge play every time.

i'm torn on this one. i don't like Cribbs taking it public so soon after the season, yet i do feel like 1.4M is a lowball offer for a guy who threatens to shorten his career with lights out play every snap for us.

i wouldn't complain one iota if he was overpaid buy a lot, not one bit.

you won't find a Steeler fan that isn't scared to death of the guy or that doesn't respect his game.

here's an interesting question:

if the Steelers offered him $4 M and the Browns agreed to a trade, would you still respect him?

it's a slippery slope for sure.

[BuckeyeBest2]

Steeler SChuck said:

Cribbs realizes he has a conflict of interest.

He's likely the only stains player with a future, and he's still a stains player - hence the conflict.

Regards

....an'at

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you forgot about joe thomas you know the guy that owns Harrison every time they play

Alex Mack is probably already a top 10 C in the NFL, Thomas is easilly the best LT in the NFL

[sisky fringo]

@bonedawg said:

You clearly have a limited understanding of how contracts work in the NFL and probably football in general. Ok, let's go with your McD's analogy. Tdub, say you sign a 1 year contract with McD's to work the french fry machine for $6 an hour. After 2 months on the job, you find out you are a badass at kicking out french fries while those lazy bitches at the counter make $9 and hour for doing nothing. You go to your boss and say, "I am the baddest french fry making motherf-er on the planet. I bust out 20 trays and hour while all other fry makers can only do 13 trays. I want a raise to $18 an hour (roughly the equivalent of cribbs)" Manager pulls out your contract where it states that you signed at 6 bucks and you are contractually obligated at that rate. The contract also states you cannot go over to the burger king across the street and flip fries no matter if they want to pay you $100 an hour until the remaining 10 months on your contract is served. Your manager is even nice enough to pay you $12 (what browns offered) because he admits that you are pretty badass at flipping fries. If you don't like it, you can 1. quit (sit out for the rest of the contract) 2. get ur ass back to the fry cooker and serve your 10 months. Now your manager can shop you to burger king if he can get great value for you, but that isn't up to you. It isn't McDonald's fault that you signed on at 6 bucks an hour for longer than you wanted to be under contract. It is your fault and whoever is advising you (probably your mom if you work at McDonalds).

NFL contracts are complex, but that is the basic situation for Cribbs as I understand it.

decent analogy, but to make it more relative the McD's contract would be 3 yrs...so 2 yrs 10 months to go....and the good counter workers actually make about $20+...so the $12 offered still sucks in his eyes.

this is all uncharted territory, including Cribbs' NFL duties on the team and what to compare him to. how it ends up shaking out could set precedents and even impact future player contracts moving forward.

one thing everyone seems to be missing (maybe it wasn't known when they posted) is Dawn Aponte was FIRM in her offer of 1.4 M...NO WIGGLE ROOM, NO COUNTER OFFER. she said it's 1.4 M now, 1.4 M in March, and it'll be 1.4 M in August...and Holmgren agrees.

now that's pretty cut and dry if you ask me and explains why Cribbs and his agents are now playing every card available to them (to little avail). many of you yelling "it's a NEGOTIATION folks" or who feel Cribbs is acting rash may want to factor this in.

Aponte and MH left Cribbs' camp w/ no opportunity for a counter-offer...but this might be due to Cribbs' agents pushing too hard, too early. again, oopsie!

[Westside Steve]

@sisky-fringo said:

if the Steelers offered him $4 M and the Browns agreed to a trade, would you still respect him?

Respect?

Why not?

If the team agreed to the trade.

I don't much respect holdouts.

I'd hate his guts but that's because I hate Squeelers.

And I want at least a higher #2 or a #1.

I just don't like players who make a deal and screw ya.

I don't hear many who underperform begging to take a cut.

We give him 4 M and teams kick away from him how big a refund do we get?

But sure I'd like to see Cribbs paid some more but I hate the crying to the press. That's all.

Holmgren doesn't seem like a guy about to be bullied by a special teams player on his first day on the job.

WSS

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[nobuo]

@westside-steve said:

But sure I'd like to see Cribbs paid some more but I hate the crying to the press. That's all.

Holmgren doesn't seem like a guy about to be bullied by a special teams player on his first day on the job.

This.

Holmgren offered him a pretty big raise, and now he's screaming to the media and saying he's not gonna play? Yeah that's the way you get the new President on your side. He'll be lucky if Holmgren doesn't withdraw the offer and make him play/sit with his current contract.

Someone mentioned Holmgren might not run the WildDawg. If he doesn't, then really all Cribbs is is a very good kick returner, and I don't care how good they are, you don't pay someone who returns kicks like a #1 WR. And last I checked, Cribbs is not a good WR.

[Kosar_For_President]

@nobuo said:

Holmgren offered him a pretty big raise, and now he's screaming to the media and saying he's not gonna play?

Yea it has nothing to do with the press. They handled the Mangini situation so well.