How to Get Kevin Kolb
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I would do it, if Kolb is the real deal. He performed really well in Philly when McNabb was hurt; I was really impressed by him. At most I would give up a 2nd rounder + Rodgers... maybe our first rounder if there were some other incentives. The only problem is that I don't believe Philly has any intention of giving Kolb up. McNabb is old, Vick is.... well, Vick, and they see Kolb as the QB of the future. Last time I heard, Philly has no intention of letting any of their QBs go.
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With the solid play from each of our DL, Shaun Rogers has become very solid trade bait. Especially to somebody like Philly who plays a 4-3. If we can package Rogers and a draft pick, I can see Philly being willing to part with Kolb for the right price. And it would be much easier to draft or signing a big DT and have him help out in year one if need be than drafting a QB. And losing Rogers' contract will allow us to pay Kolb and Cribbs. And I really feel like Heckert will do whatever it takes to get him here. He scouted Kolb, drafted him, and signed him. He knows what he is and I think with Holmgren's emphasis on QBs, he may let Heckert give a lot to bring one in. And Philly could use a higher draft pick or two. How does everyone feel about sacrificing a day one pick and Rogers for a solid young QB?
With the solid play from each of our DL, Shaun Rogers has become very solid trade bait. Especially to somebody like Philly who plays a 4-3. If we can package Rogers and a draft pick, I can see Philly being willing to part with Kolb for the right price. And it would be much easier to draft or signing a big DT and have him help out in year one if need be than drafting a QB. And losing Rogers' contract will allow us to pay Kolb and Cribbs. And I really feel like Heckert will do whatever it takes to get him here. He scouted Kolb, drafted him, and signed him. He knows what he is and I think with Holmgren's emphasis on QBs, he may let Heckert give a lot to bring one in. And Philly could use a higher draft pick or two. How does everyone feel about sacrificing a day one pick and Rogers for a solid young QB?
The only way we get Kolb is if the Eagles don't believe he's "the guy" of the future. McNabb's eventual long term replacement.
I mean, I suppose there could be an offer that the Eagles couldn't refuse, however, I believe, if the Eagles believe Kolb is "the guy" we'd have to give up a Herschel Walker or Ricky Williams type trade to get him.
The guy I think we stand a really good chance of getting would be McNabb. I think he'd be a great veteran stop gap to help us win games while we groom a youngster.
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With the solid play from each of our DL, Shaun Rogers has become very solid trade bait. Especially to somebody like Philly who plays a 4-3. If we can package Rogers and a draft pick, I can see Philly being willing to part with Kolb for the right price. And it would be much easier to draft or signing a big DT and have him help out in year one if need be than drafting a QB. And losing Rogers' contract will allow us to pay Kolb and Cribbs. And I really feel like Heckert will do whatever it takes to get him here. He scouted Kolb, drafted him, and signed him. He knows what he is and I think with Holmgren's emphasis on QBs, he may let Heckert give a lot to bring one in. And Philly could use a higher draft pick or two. How does everyone feel about sacrificing a day one pick and Rogers for a solid young QB?
The only way we get Kolb is if the Eagles don't believe he's "the guy" of the future. McNabb's eventual long term replacement.
I mean, I suppose there could be an offer that the Eagles couldn't refuse, however, I believe, if the Eagles believe Kolb is "the guy" we'd have to give up a Herschel Walker or Ricky Williams type trade to get him.
The guy I think we stand a really good chance of getting would be McNabb. I think he'd be a great veteran stop gap to help us win games while we groom a youngster.
The guy I think we stand a really good chance of getting would be McNabb. I think he'd be a great veteran stop gap to help us win games while we groom a youngster.
Thats a fine idea and all... but who is that youngster gonna be? You ask that to a group of people and you'll likely hear crickets.
My point is that there is none. None yet. No one is quite sold on any QB coming up in the draft, and the list of FA QBs for this year is laughable. Is there a rookie in the draft that will be the future Browns QB? Do you still think Quinn can do it? These are tough questions that have no easy answer and are left to Holmgren and Heckert to decide. Saying we can take McNabb (assuming its possible, which I doubt) is only delaying the inevitable when we don't have any plan for the future.
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The guy I think we stand a really good chance of getting would be McNabb. I think he'd be a great veteran stop gap to help us win games while we groom a youngster.
Thats a fine idea and all... but who is that youngster gonna be? You ask that to a group of people and you'll likely hear crickets.
My point is that there is none. None yet. No one is quite sold on any QB coming up in the draft, and the list of FA QBs for this year is laughable. Is there a rookie in the draft that will be the future Browns QB? Do you still think Quinn can do it? These are tough questions that have no easy answer and are left to Holmgren and Heckert to decide. Saying we can take McNabb (assuming its possible, which I doubt) is only delaying the inevitable when we don't have any plan for the future.
Thats a fine idea and all... but who is that youngster gonna be? You ask that to a group of people and you'll likely hear crickets.
My point is that there is none. None yet. No one is quite sold on any QB coming up in the draft, and the list of FA QBs for this year is laughable. Is there a rookie in the draft that will be the future Browns QB? Do you still think Quinn can do it? These are tough questions that have no easy answer and are left to Holmgren and Heckert to decide. Saying we can take McNabb (assuming its possible, which I doubt) is only delaying the inevitable when we don't have any plan for the future.
Colt McCoy and Pike are two 2nd to 4th round picks that might be worth a look see.
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Thats a fine idea and all... but who is that youngster gonna be? You ask that to a group of people and you'll likely hear crickets.
My point is that there is none. None yet. No one is quite sold on any QB coming up in the draft, and the list of FA QBs for this year is laughable. Is there a rookie in the draft that will be the future Browns QB? Do you still think Quinn can do it? These are tough questions that have no easy answer and are left to Holmgren and Heckert to decide. Saying we can take McNabb (assuming its possible, which I doubt) is only delaying the inevitable when we don't have any plan for the future.
Colt McCoy and Pike are two 2nd to 4th round picks that might be worth a look see.
Colt McCoy and Pike are two 2nd to 4th round picks that might be worth a look see.
Yup, and LeFevre is another Mac qb getting some press.
I still see Quinn getting a decent shot this year, and then if he flops, going after a qb next year. I really think the Browns aren't close yet to a SB run,
Have to believe the Eagles think Kolb is the future, and the Browns would have to break the bank to get him.
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Colt McCoy and Pike are two 2nd to 4th round picks that might be worth a look see.
Yup, and LeFevre is another Mac qb getting some press.
I still see Quinn getting a decent shot this year, and then if he flops, going after a qb next year. I really think the Browns aren't close yet to a SB run,
Have to believe the Eagles think Kolb is the future, and the Browns would have to break the bank to get him.
Yup, and LeFevre is another Mac qb getting some press.
I still see Quinn getting a decent shot this year, and then if he flops, going after a qb next year. I really think the Browns aren't close yet to a SB run,
Have to believe the Eagles think Kolb is the future, and the Browns would have to break the bank to get him.
That's what I'm afraid of. The story out of Philly seems to be that Kolb is the chosen one. We may have to give a lot more than we would like to get him but Tommy should know enough about him to make a fair decision. But I would love to bring him in. Plus, if Tommy is going to deal with Philly, negotiations should go pretty smoothly. But I can live with Quinn or DA playing another year and take a guy in the 3rd to prepare for 2011.
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With the solid play from each of our DL, Shaun Rogers has become very solid trade bait. Especially to somebody like Philly who plays a 4-3. If we can package Rogers and a draft pick, I can see Philly being willing to part with Kolb for the right price. And it would be much easier to draft or signing a big DT and have him help out in year one if need be than drafting a QB. And losing Rogers' contract will allow us to pay Kolb and Cribbs. And I really feel like Heckert will do whatever it takes to get him here. He scouted Kolb, drafted him, and signed him. He knows what he is and I think with Holmgren's emphasis on QBs, he may let Heckert give a lot to bring one in. And Philly could use a higher draft pick or two. How does everyone feel about sacrificing a day one pick and Rogers for a solid young QB?
With the solid play from each of our DL, Shaun Rogers has become very solid trade bait. Especially to somebody like Philly who plays a 4-3. If we can package Rogers and a draft pick, I can see Philly being willing to part with Kolb for the right price. And it would be much easier to draft or signing a big DT and have him help out in year one if need be than drafting a QB. And losing Rogers' contract will allow us to pay Kolb and Cribbs. And I really feel like Heckert will do whatever it takes to get him here. He scouted Kolb, drafted him, and signed him. He knows what he is and I think with Holmgren's emphasis on QBs, he may let Heckert give a lot to bring one in. And Philly could use a higher draft pick or two. How does everyone feel about sacrificing a day one pick and Rogers for a solid young QB?
That REALLY isn't a bad idea at all. I know you (Mopaji) chimed in on that thread where I shifted gears from dodging bullets about my Troy Smith idea (for Dollar Store prices) to mentioning how unhappy Kolb and agent must be finding themselves playing 3rd fiddle to Michael Vick's 2nd fiddle. To be honest, I wouldn't think we should be the team giving up a day 1 pick if we send them an All Pro player for a QB that never got 2nd string duty in 2009. Unfortunately, we've never had a QB situation this crummy. Aside from Quinn's achey breaky shakey performance, we don't know if the 2 time IR inductee can heal or refrain from injury ahead.
Folks, I think Rogers is an Animal and he's All Planet at a position we've longed for upgrading. However, which one of his first 2 teams ever won 8 games BECAUSE of him? We didn't START winning and playing the kind of attacking defense we've longed for until AFTER he got injured. Maybe that's because we don't have to KEEP Rubin happy when he's already happy to be here doing what is asked of him; and he can be more the unselfish Bob Golic type of NT who's less apt for sacks but good at 2 gap. It just seems like OTHERS played better in Rogers' absence than they did when he was playing so it's worth noting that this move Mopaji speaks of wouldn't KILL us.
Rogers has a NAME that can bring us some GOOD exchange value; especially at a QB position they're more content on seeing Vick play. If it's an Andy Reid trainee, guess who the coachign ancestor is in this one? Mike Homegrown.
Mopaji gets an A+ here folks!!!
- Tom F.
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At least you are starting to get realistic.
Rogers and a 2nd might get it done.
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Rodgers...and we swap #1's
Those two acquisitions get Philly to the SB they want so bad
We get the QB we need + fill a need at their draft spot (24 ?)
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At least you are starting to get realistic.
Rogers and a 2nd might get it done.
I still think it would take more when you're talking about the QB of their future, who also had 2 huge games for them this year when McNabb went down.
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Rodgers...and we swap #1's
Those two acquisitions get Philly to the SB they want so bad
We get the QB we need + fill a need at their draft spot (24 ?)
Rodgers...and we swap #1's
Those two acquisitions get Philly to the SB they want so bad
We get the QB we need + fill a need at their draft spot (26 ?)
That almost sounds like a great idea. With all the juniors declaring early, I think there would be value there at 26
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I still think it would take more when you're talking about the QB of their future, who also had 2 huge games for them this year when McNabb went down.
Yea, I'm not so sure their as high on Kolb as we are
Having those weapons surrounding him and AR coaching makes having a huge game a little more doable
Don't get me wrong I'd love to see us do a deal to bring him here and I would think that a team on verge of the SB
would jump at the chance to add a Pro Bowl DL and a #7 pick in the draft, think about what that could do for their defense,that's the kind of stuff the Patriots used to do.
I would also think that Reid may fancy himself as somewhat of a QB guru,after all didn't this guy roll one those Detmer
kids out there a few years back? and actually won.come to think of it I believe he's won with every QB he's put out there.
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I still think it would take more when you're talking about the QB of their future, who also had 2 huge games for them this year when McNabb went down.
As I said.....might get it done.
I was trying not to scare people. I do understand anytime you start talking qbs in trade or start talking pick positions where a qb is available, there is a pretty good premium attached.
With Kolb, I am just not sure how high that premium might be.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
I still think it would take more when you're talking about the QB of their future, who also had 2 huge games for them this year when McNabb went down.
Yea, I'm not so sure their as high on Kolb as we are
Having those weapons surrounding him and AR coaching makes having a huge game a little more doable
Don't get me wrong I'd love to see us do a deal to bring him here and I would think that a team on verge of the SB
would jump at the chance to add a Pro Bowl DL and a #7 pick in the draft, think about what that could do for their defense,that's the kind of stuff the Patriots used to do.
I would also think that Reid may fancy himself as somewhat of a QB guru,after all didn't this guy roll one those Detmer
kids out there a few years back? and actually won.come to think of it I believe he's won with every QB he's put out there.
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I still think it would take more when you're talking about the QB of their future, who also had 2 huge games for them this year when McNabb went down.
As I said.....might get it done.
I was trying not to scare people. I do understand anytime you start talking qbs in trade or start talking pick positions where a qb is available, there is a pretty good premium attached.
With Kolb, I am just not sure how high that premium might be.
As I said.....might get it done.
I was trying not to scare people. I do understand anytime you start talking qbs in trade or start talking pick positions where a qb is available, there is a pretty good premium attached.
With Kolb, I am just not sure how high that premium might be.
I do not think the Eagles would give up Kolb for Rogers and a second. Rogers usefulness in a 4-3 is about over. His value as a player is about over. Plus he is 66% per cent player cannot play three downs in a row without being gassed. Our run defense was awful with the supposed run stuffer. He is overrated. The Eagles probably have no interest in him.
If we want Kolb it would take a first plus Rogers or some other package.
They probably realize the McChoke's time is coming to an end. And they surely are smarter than think Vick is a QB
Kolb would be nice it will take some other deal. Personally, I would never give more than a fourth for Rogers and make the Browns eat most of his salary. He was another /Savage blunder. The games at season end proved his worth to the D
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