How to Get Kevin Kolb
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With the solid play from each of our DL, Shaun Rogers has become very solid trade bait. Especially to somebody like Philly who plays a 4-3. If we can package Rogers and a draft pick, I can see Philly being willing to part with Kolb for the right price. And it would be much easier to draft or signing a big DT and have him help out in year one if need be than drafting a QB. And losing Rogers' contract will allow us to pay Kolb and Cribbs. And I really feel like Heckert will do whatever it takes to get him here. He scouted Kolb, drafted him, and signed him. He knows what he is and I think with Holmgren's emphasis on QBs, he may let Heckert give a lot to bring one in. And Philly could use a higher draft pick or two. How does everyone feel about sacrificing a day one pick and Rogers for a solid young QB?
With the solid play from each of our DL, Shaun Rogers has become very solid trade bait. Especially to somebody like Philly who plays a 4-3. If we can package Rogers and a draft pick, I can see Philly being willing to part with Kolb for the right price. And it would be much easier to draft or signing a big DT and have him help out in year one if need be than drafting a QB. And losing Rogers' contract will allow us to pay Kolb and Cribbs. And I really feel like Heckert will do whatever it takes to get him here. He scouted Kolb, drafted him, and signed him. He knows what he is and I think with Holmgren's emphasis on QBs, he may let Heckert give a lot to bring one in. And Philly could use a higher draft pick or two. How does everyone feel about sacrificing a day one pick and Rogers for a solid young QB?
That REALLY isn't a bad idea at all. I know you (Mopaji) chimed in on that thread where I shifted gears from dodging bullets about my Troy Smith idea (for Dollar Store prices) to mentioning how unhappy Kolb and agent must be finding themselves playing 3rd fiddle to Michael Vick's 2nd fiddle. To be honest, I wouldn't think we should be the team giving up a day 1 pick if we send them an All Pro player for a QB that never got 2nd string duty in 2009. Unfortunately, we've never had a QB situation this crummy. Aside from Quinn's achey breaky shakey performance, we don't know if the 2 time IR inductee can heal or refrain from injury ahead.
Folks, I think Rogers is an Animal and he's All Planet at a position we've longed for upgrading. However, which one of his first 2 teams ever won 8 games BECAUSE of him? We didn't START winning and playing the kind of attacking defense we've longed for until AFTER he got injured. Maybe that's because we don't have to KEEP Rubin happy when he's already happy to be here doing what is asked of him; and he can be more the unselfish Bob Golic type of NT who's less apt for sacks but good at 2 gap. It just seems like OTHERS played better in Rogers' absence than they did when he was playing so it's worth noting that this move Mopaji speaks of wouldn't KILL us.
Rogers has a NAME that can bring us some GOOD exchange value; especially at a QB position they're more content on seeing Vick play. If it's an Andy Reid trainee, guess who the coachign ancestor is in this one? Mike Homegrown.
Mopaji gets an A+ here folks!!!
- Tom F.
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At least you are starting to get realistic.
Rogers and a 2nd might get it done.
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Rodgers...and we swap #1's
Those two acquisitions get Philly to the SB they want so bad
We get the QB we need + fill a need at their draft spot (24 ?)
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At least you are starting to get realistic.
Rogers and a 2nd might get it done.
I still think it would take more when you're talking about the QB of their future, who also had 2 huge games for them this year when McNabb went down.
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Rodgers...and we swap #1's
Those two acquisitions get Philly to the SB they want so bad
We get the QB we need + fill a need at their draft spot (24 ?)
Rodgers...and we swap #1's
Those two acquisitions get Philly to the SB they want so bad
We get the QB we need + fill a need at their draft spot (26 ?)
That almost sounds like a great idea. With all the juniors declaring early, I think there would be value there at 26
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I still think it would take more when you're talking about the QB of their future, who also had 2 huge games for them this year when McNabb went down.
Yea, I'm not so sure their as high on Kolb as we are
Having those weapons surrounding him and AR coaching makes having a huge game a little more doable
Don't get me wrong I'd love to see us do a deal to bring him here and I would think that a team on verge of the SB
would jump at the chance to add a Pro Bowl DL and a #7 pick in the draft, think about what that could do for their defense,that's the kind of stuff the Patriots used to do.
I would also think that Reid may fancy himself as somewhat of a QB guru,after all didn't this guy roll one those Detmer
kids out there a few years back? and actually won.come to think of it I believe he's won with every QB he's put out there.
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I still think it would take more when you're talking about the QB of their future, who also had 2 huge games for them this year when McNabb went down.
As I said.....might get it done.
I was trying not to scare people. I do understand anytime you start talking qbs in trade or start talking pick positions where a qb is available, there is a pretty good premium attached.
With Kolb, I am just not sure how high that premium might be.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
I still think it would take more when you're talking about the QB of their future, who also had 2 huge games for them this year when McNabb went down.
Yea, I'm not so sure their as high on Kolb as we are
Having those weapons surrounding him and AR coaching makes having a huge game a little more doable
Don't get me wrong I'd love to see us do a deal to bring him here and I would think that a team on verge of the SB
would jump at the chance to add a Pro Bowl DL and a #7 pick in the draft, think about what that could do for their defense,that's the kind of stuff the Patriots used to do.
I would also think that Reid may fancy himself as somewhat of a QB guru,after all didn't this guy roll one those Detmer
kids out there a few years back? and actually won.come to think of it I believe he's won with every QB he's put out there.
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I still think it would take more when you're talking about the QB of their future, who also had 2 huge games for them this year when McNabb went down.
As I said.....might get it done.
I was trying not to scare people. I do understand anytime you start talking qbs in trade or start talking pick positions where a qb is available, there is a pretty good premium attached.
With Kolb, I am just not sure how high that premium might be.
As I said.....might get it done.
I was trying not to scare people. I do understand anytime you start talking qbs in trade or start talking pick positions where a qb is available, there is a pretty good premium attached.
With Kolb, I am just not sure how high that premium might be.
I do not think the Eagles would give up Kolb for Rogers and a second. Rogers usefulness in a 4-3 is about over. His value as a player is about over. Plus he is 66% per cent player cannot play three downs in a row without being gassed. Our run defense was awful with the supposed run stuffer. He is overrated. The Eagles probably have no interest in him.
If we want Kolb it would take a first plus Rogers or some other package.
They probably realize the McChoke's time is coming to an end. And they surely are smarter than think Vick is a QB
Kolb would be nice it will take some other deal. Personally, I would never give more than a fourth for Rogers and make the Browns eat most of his salary. He was another /Savage blunder. The games at season end proved his worth to the D
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Rogers is absolutely a great DT. But we play a 3-4. A scheme were DTs need only to not get pushed back. They are there to take up space and let the LBs accumilate the stats. For that reason, he's expendable for us and very very enticing to a 4-3 team were DTs are asked to make a lot of plays. I love his game, but we have a lot of areas to improve on this team so a trade would benefit us greatly without losing much.
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Rogers is absolutely a great DT. But we play a 3-4. A scheme were DTs need only to not get pushed back. They are there to take up space and let the LBs accumilate the stats. For that reason, he's expendable for us and very very enticing to a 4-3 team were DTs are asked to make a lot of plays. I love his game, but we have a lot of areas to improve on this team so a trade would benefit us greatly without losing much.
Rogers is absolutely a great DT. But we play a 3-4. A scheme were DTs need only to not get pushed back. They are there to take up space and let the LBs accumilate the stats. For that reason, he's expendable for us and very very enticing to a 4-3 team were DTs are asked to make a lot of plays. I love his game, but we have a lot of areas to improve on this team so a trade would benefit us greatly without losing much.
Actually, I don’t think you really understand how the 3-4 works. If all we needed was some big, fat, strong guy to squat down and not get moved, we could get a sumo wrestler. Or better yet, we could have kept Ted Washington. That worked real well didn’t it?
Yes, the basic requirements are that the NT doesn’t get pushed back, occupies one or two blockers, and allows the linebackers to make plays at or behind the line of scrimmage.
However, if that NT can be disruptive rather than just immovable (think volcano rather than a mountain), then you have the difference between a crappy to average 3-4 to a great 3-4. Think of all the great 3-4 defenses and tell me one that didn’t have a disruptive NT.
I know I’d rather have a bulldozer than a wall.
Disruptive NT’s can cause significant problems in the running game. Because it can close off a lane giving the LB’s less to cover. It can also close off cutback lanes. Cutback runs produce the statistical majority of runs over 20 yards.
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I am definitely not in Camp Kolb. Personally I think Philly took a shot with him and missed...
This guy was a complete bust until this year where he only began to show glimpses.. he still won't hesitate to throw picks.
Troy Smith getting a chance would be better than this nob.
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Rogers is absolutely a great DT. But we play a 3-4. A scheme were DTs need only to not get pushed back. They are there to take up space and let the LBs accumilate the stats. For that reason, he's expendable for us and very very enticing to a 4-3 team were DTs are asked to make a lot of plays. I love his game, but we have a lot of areas to improve on this team so a trade would benefit us greatly without losing much.
Actually, I don’t think you really understand how the 3-4 works. If all we needed was some big, fat, strong guy to squat down and not get moved, we could get a sumo wrestler. Or better yet, we could have kept Ted Washington. That worked real well didn’t it?
Yes, the basic requirements are that the NT doesn’t get pushed back, occupies one or two blockers, and allows the linebackers to make plays at or behind the line of scrimmage.
However, if that NT can be disruptive rather than just immovable (think volcano rather than a mountain), then you have the difference between a crappy to average 3-4 to a great 3-4. Think of all the great 3-4 defenses and tell me one that didn’t have a disruptive NT.
I know I’d rather have a bulldozer than a wall.
Disruptive NT’s can cause significant problems in the running game. Because it can close off a lane giving the LB’s less to cover. It can also close off cutback lanes. Cutback runs produce the statistical majority of runs over 20 yards.
Actually, I don’t think you really understand how the 3-4 works. If all we needed was some big, fat, strong guy to squat down and not get moved, we could get a sumo wrestler. Or better yet, we could have kept Ted Washington. That worked real well didn’t it?
Yes, the basic requirements are that the NT doesn’t get pushed back, occupies one or two blockers, and allows the linebackers to make plays at or behind the line of scrimmage.
However, if that NT can be disruptive rather than just immovable (think volcano rather than a mountain), then you have the difference between a crappy to average 3-4 to a great 3-4. Think of all the great 3-4 defenses and tell me one that didn’t have a disruptive NT.
I know I’d rather have a bulldozer than a wall.
Disruptive NT’s can cause significant problems in the running game. Because it can close off a lane giving the LB’s less to cover. It can also close off cutback lanes. Cutback runs produce the statistical majority of runs over 20 yards.
I do understand a 3-4 and you are completely correct. I was just saying, it would be easier to draft/sign a large DT to take his place or just play Rubin than it would be to draft/sign a QB or just play Quinn or Anderson. The jist is, he is easier to replace in one year than a QB is. And the Eagles should be drooling over the thought of having him in their 4-3. We give them Rogers and a 2nd, they give us Kolb and a 4th.
I love Rogers. He is top 5 in the league at his position and would never want to see him go however, our DL played pretty well if not better when he got hurt and considering the needs this team has, him and Jerome Harrison have the most trade value right now. The deciding factor is that Rogers can be replaced. If we ran a 4-3, I wouldn't part with him for anything less than a 1st and 3rd. But its a 3-4 and the most important trait for a DT is to take up space. Its easier to replace that position in a 3-4.
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I am definitely not in Camp Kolb. Personally I think Philly took a shot with him and missed...
This guy was a complete bust until this year where he only began to show glimpses.. he still won't hesitate to throw picks.
Troy Smith getting a chance would be better than this nob.
I am definitely not in Camp Kolb. Personally I think Philly took a shot with him and missed...
This guy was a complete bust until this year where he only began to show glimpses.. he still won't hesitate to throw picks.
Troy Smith getting a chance would be better than this nob.
We'll never get Troy Smith so lets forget about that. With Kolb, ask yourself who you would rather see behind Mack? DA, Quinn, or Kolb? That's why I put a higher premium on him. Plus, Philly seems to believe that he is absolutely ready to start for them. They even gave Vick 2nd team reps because they believe Kolb to be ready now. That's the biggest issue, will Philly even let him go?
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D'Qwell probably would interest the Eagles. They have Stewart Bradley coming back from injury next year, but they don't have much around him. Will Witherspoon is expected to start on the weakside next year. DQJ likely would be an upgrade over him.
D'Qwell-Bradley-Fokou would give them a young, solid LB corps. He wouldn't be enough to get Kolb, but he could be a big part of the deal.
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The question i have is, why would you give up an important draft pick and maybe your best defensive player for an unproven quarterback, and yes he is unproven. I think it would be ridiculus to give that much for a career backup qb. We already have two of them. If we get a veteran qb and draft a qb in a mid round that would be our best bet. If Colt McCoy is still available in round 2, take him there. Too many holes on this team to give that up for Kolb. Kolb. He reminds me of a young Kelly Holcolm
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