Steelers did not make it to the play-offs
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No, you are wrong. There were two champions.
Gipper, it doesn't matter what you prove to him because he edits out what ain't convenient. His franchise gets the same astericks - they're giving Mark McGwire today. How much did those counterfeit rings really mean when Mike Webster sold every damn one of them to a pawn shop? It sounded like Steve Courson had the same guilty conscience because he stopped wearing his rings.
Bottom line: The Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championships:
1946 (won)
1947 (won)
1948 (won)
1949 (won)
1950 (won)
1951 (lost)
1952 (lost)
1953 (lost)
1954 (won)
1955 (won)
How many Pro teams in ANY sport made the Championship 10 consecuitive years? Cleveland won 70% of those suckers in that 10 year period. That's easily the BEST dynasty pro football has ever seen.
1964 (won)
Is it any wonder WHY Pittsburgh wanted to emulate Cleveland by going after Paul Brown's pupil Chuck Noll? And when it was time to replace Noll - didn't they grab yet another former Cleveland Brown player by the name of Bill Cowher? And what about the BEST team in the 70s that went PERFECT without steroids + a backup QB starting most of their games? Along came another former Cleveland Brown by the name of Don Shula to lead his Miami Dolphins team into 3 consecutive Superbowls (after he had Baltimore in a Superbowl or two). Imagine that!
If you go by the most Championship victories - the best QB of all time is Otto Graham. Any historian will tell you the best RB to ever suit up in the pros is Jim Brown. It is what it is.
The inconvenient truth remains: without the Cleveland Browns there still would be no such thing as the Pittsburgh Steelers.
- Tom F.
Gipper, it doesn't matter what you prove to him because he edits out what ain't convenient. His franchise gets the same astericks - they're giving Mark McGwire today. How much did those counterfeit rings really mean when Mike Webster sold every damn one of them to a pawn shop? It sounded like Steve Courson had the same guilty conscience because he stopped wearing his rings.
Bottom line: The Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championships:
1946 (won)
1947 (won)
1948 (won)
1949 (won)
1950 (won)
1951 (lost)
1952 (lost)
1953 (lost)
1954 (won)
1955 (won)
How many Pro teams in ANY sport made the Championship 10 consecuitive years? Cleveland won 70% of those suckers in that 10 year period. That's easily the BEST dynasty pro football has ever seen.
1964 (won)
Is it any wonder WHY Pittsburgh wanted to emulate Cleveland by going after Paul Brown's pupil Chuck Noll? And when it was time to replace Noll - didn't they grab yet another former Cleveland Brown player by the name of Bill Cowher? And what about the BEST team in the 70s that went PERFECT without steroids + a backup QB starting most of their games? Along came another former Cleveland Brown by the name of Don Shula to lead his Miami Dolphins team into 3 consecutive Superbowls (after he had Baltimore in a Superbowl or two). Imagine that!
If you go by the most Championship victories - the best QB of all time is Otto Graham. Any historian will tell you the best RB to ever suit up in the pros is Jim Brown. It is what it is.
The inconvenient truth remains: without the Cleveland Browns there still would be no such thing as the Pittsburgh Steelers.
- Tom F.
damn good post man! i said it a few weeks ago when i chose a pic of jim brown holding up the 1964 championship trophy for my sig, the browns were one of the original football dynasties and no one can deny that.
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Zombo said:
So now you are saying that the Browns championships don't count because they were better than everybody else?Zombo
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So your argument is that we were the best team in both the NFL and AAFC, and that we were only good because we had a great coach? Yeah, I'd buy that.
And I didn't realize players today weren't trying to maximize their salaries. I was always under the assumption that they wanted to make the most money possible, how foolish of me to assume.
Try again.
No You had ALL the elements lining up to be a Magnet to players. And Damn... You guys were the Class of Football... at least by year 3 you were. You all should be proud of that Team. But the NFL doesn't recognize the Titles. And its been rehashed over and over. Its delusional to count them as NFL Titles. And if they are NOT NFL titles . who cares ? You guys thats it. The rest of us dont recognize them as anything but Titles in a secondary League. Same as it ever was....
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
No You had ALL the elements lining up to be a Magnet to players. And Damn... You guys were the Class of Football... at least by year 3 you were. You all should be proud of that Team. But the NFL doesn't recognize the Titles. And its been rehashed over and over. Its delusional to count them as NFL Titles. And if they are NOT NFL titles . who cares ? You guys thats it. The rest of us dont recognize them as anything but Titles in a secondary League. Same as it ever was....So, we have to be at fault because we knew how to run a franchise? I'm failing to see your argument. It just sounds like you're agreeing with me over and over again.
The NFL doesn't have to recognize the titles, they weren't won in the NFL. Instead they were won in a league where any NFL team would have been second-best, as proved by the Browns sheer dominance upon their admittance into the NFL. The Pro Football Hall of Fame does recognize the titles, however, and I'll stick with that.
The fact of the matter is that the Browns have won more league championship than the Steelers. You can't argue with it, it's the truth. It's backed by facts. It happened.
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Is it any wonder WHY Pittsburgh wanted to emulate Cleveland by going after Paul Brown's pupil Chuck Noll? And when it was time to replace Noll - didn't they grab yet another former Cleveland Brown player by the name of Bill Cowher? And what about the BEST team in the 70s that went PERFECT without steroids + a backup QB starting most of their games? Along came another former Cleveland Brown by the name of Don Shula to lead his Miami Dolphins team into 3 consecutive Superbowls (after he had Baltimore in a Superbowl or two). Imagine that!
If you go by the most Championship victories - the best QB of all time is Otto Graham. Any historian will tell you the best RB to ever suit up in the pros is Jim Brown. It is what it is.
The inconvenient truth remains: without the Cleveland Browns there still would be no such thing as the Pittsburgh Steelers.
LOL..Ok , I agree Chuck Noll came from Winning and Rooney had to think "Hey this guy is worth a Shot". But Cowher played for a Browns team that was know for Close but NO Cigar. Add to that bill Cowher was Pittsburgh Born and Bred.
Otto Graham hilarious... Couldn't start for Half the NFL Teams Today. Jim Brown was truly a one of a kind player. The Browns do indeed play a part in the Steelers legacy , especially with Noll.
Thanks for being our Coaching "University". Too bad your front office had NO IDEA what they had in Chuck Noll. Of course with out Bradshaw , Swann , Stallworth , Greene , Greenwood , Hamm , Lambert , Blount , Harris .... On and On. Chuck Noll would have never been either.
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Formerly Stone said:
Isn't it funny that Browns fans imagine so many things.....they can invent all kinds of things to make the Browns look good and even more things to make the Steelers look bad.Only on a forum dedicated to disillusion Steeler haters!
This forum is dedicated to the Browns. It's just overrun by dimwitted nobheads such as yourself. It would be helpful if you at least knew a smidgen about the things you argue about, but just like any Steeler fan, you're completely ignorant.
Have a nice day.
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Exactly! No one is denying the Celtics dynasty. Even when they had 12 teams in the league and had the ABA. Anyone, nope, thought so, bitches.
exactly! this is one example out of many to prove that the browns titles in the past are still as good as gold (or platinum lol) today. trolls want to get all technical when it comes to the browns championship titles though and be unfair.
if the teams were so weak back then and it was so easy to win a championship, how come the stoolers couldn't win one back then? how come they got ran over and abused by the browns so much and couldn't win a title back then if it was so easy? yeah, that's what i thought.
the cleveland browns are one of the original football dynasties, regardless of what anyone says.
exactly! this is one example out of many to prove that the browns titles in the past are still as good as gold (or platinum lol) today. trolls want to get all technical when it comes to the browns championship titles though and be unfair.
if the teams were so weak back then and it was so easy to win a championship, how come the stoolers couldn't win one back then? how come they got ran over and abused by the browns so much and couldn't win a title back then if it was so easy? yeah, that's what i thought.
the cleveland browns are one of the original football dynasties, regardless of what anyone says.
it sure looks like the nfl recongnized the browns championship in this pic that was taken in 2004. paul taglibue (nfl commish at the time) presented this trophy to the members of the 64 championship team.
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Is it any wonder WHY Pittsburgh wanted to emulate Cleveland by going after Paul Brown's pupil Chuck Noll? And when it was time to replace Noll - didn't they grab yet another former Cleveland Brown player by the name of Bill Cowher? And what about the BEST team in the 70s that went PERFECT without steroids + a backup QB starting most of their games? Along came another former Cleveland Brown by the name of Don Shula to lead his Miami Dolphins team into 3 consecutive Superbowls (after he had Baltimore in a Superbowl or two). Imagine that!
If you go by the most Championship victories - the best QB of all time is Otto Graham. Any historian will tell you the best RB to ever suit up in the pros is Jim Brown. It is what it is.
The inconvenient truth remains: without the Cleveland Browns there still would be no such thing as the Pittsburgh Steelers.
LOL..Ok , I agree Chuck Noll came from Winning and Rooney had to think "Hey this guy is worth a Shot". But Cowher played for a Browns team that was know for Close but NO Cigar. Add to that bill Cowher was Pittsburgh Born and Bred.
Otto Graham hilarious... Couldn't start for Half the NFL Teams Today. Jim Brown was truly a one of a kind player. The Browns do indeed play a part in the Steelers legacy , especially with Noll.
Thanks for being our Coaching "University". Too bad your front office had NO IDEA what they had in Chuck Noll. Of course with out Bradshaw , Swann , Stallworth , Greene , Greenwood , Hamm , Lambert , Blount , Harris .... On and On. Chuck Noll would have never been either.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Otto Graham hilarious... Couldn't start for Half the NFL Teams Today. Jim Brown was truly a one of a kind player. The Browns do indeed play a part in theOf course he couldn't. He'd 89 years old. I'd like to see any 89 year old try and play professional football.
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Formerly Stone said:
Isn't it funny that Browns fans imagine so many things.....they can invent all kinds of things to make the Browns look good and even more things to make the Steelers look bad.Only on a forum dedicated to disillusion Steeler haters!
This forum is dedicated to the Browns. It's just overrun by dimwitted nobheads such as yourself. It would be helpful if you at least knew a smidgen about the things you argue about, but just like any Steeler fan, you're completely ignorant.
Have a nice day.
This forum is dedicated to the Browns. It's just overrun by dimwitted nobheads such as yourself. It would be helpful if you at least knew a smidgen about the things you argue about, but just like any Steeler fan, you're completely ignorant.
Have a nice day.
Just another dumb-ass comment from you. Lets lump "ALL" in the same boat. Thats as dumb as a Steeler fans saying ALL the Browns players suck. You sound like the Bitter prejudice imbecile that you make yourself out to be.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Otto Graham hilarious... Couldn't start for Half the NFL Teams Today. Jim Brown was truly a one of a kind player. The Browns do indeed play a part in theOf course he couldn't. He'd 89 years old. I'd like to see any 89 year old try and play professional football.
Of course he couldn't. He'd 89 years old. I'd like to see any 89 year old try and play professional football.
More Brain Surgery from a man needing a Brain Surgeon aka TCPO !!! I think you know I meant in his Prime . 6`1`` what a Buck ninety five. With a 5.1 40 yrd dash. Lucky he played against DB and LBs running the same speed.
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This forum is dedicated to the Browns. It's just overrun by dimwitted nobheads such as yourself. It would be helpful if you at least knew a smidgen about the things you argue about, but just like any Steeler fan, you're completely ignorant.
Have a nice day.
Just another dumb-ass comment from you. Lets lump "ALL" in the same boat. Thats as dumb as a Steeler fans saying ALL the Browns players suck. You sound like the Bitter prejudice imbecile that you make yourself out to be.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Just another dumb-ass comment from you. Lets lump "ALL" in the same boat. Thats as dumb as a Steeler fans saying ALL the Browns players suck. You sound like the Bitter prejudice imbecile that you make yourself out to be.So, I'm dumb because I don't want to recognize your titles. But you're fine because you don't want to recognize ours, even though they're recognized in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
I don't see how I'm the prejudiced one. Nor the bitter one. Nor the imbecile.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Just another dumb-ass comment from you. Lets lump "ALL" in the same boat. Thats as dumb as a Steeler fans saying ALL the Browns players suck. You sound like the Bitter prejudice imbecile that you make yourself out to be.So, I'm dumb because I don't want to recognize your titles. But you're fine because you don't want to recognize ours, even though they're recognized in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
I don't see how I'm the prejudiced one. Nor the bitter one. Nor the imbecile.
So, I'm dumb because I don't want to recognize your titles. But you're fine because you don't want to recognize ours, even though they're recognized in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
I don't see how I'm the prejudiced one. Nor the bitter one. Nor the imbecile.
ARE they recognized by the NFL ???? Thats all I ask . Has it been rehashed and rehashed ??? And it always comes out the same ...it does NOT COUNT. Thats not me. Thats the League . The Cleveland Browns have FOUR Titles... Take them and be proud. Thats what the NFL has told you. Not me.
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Joe Montana -6'2" 205 lbs.
Fran Tarkenton- 6'0" 190 lbs.
Joe Theismann 6'0" 192 lbs
Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs.
Guess none of those guys could cut it today, either.
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So, I'm dumb because I don't want to recognize your titles. But you're fine because you don't want to recognize ours, even though they're recognized in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
I don't see how I'm the prejudiced one. Nor the bitter one. Nor the imbecile.
ARE they recognized by the NFL ???? Thats all I ask . Has it been rehashed and rehashed ??? And it always comes out the same ...it does NOT COUNT. Thats not me. Thats the League . The Cleveland Browns have FOUR Titles... Take them and be proud. Thats what the NFL has told you. Not me.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
ARE they recognized by the NFL ???? Thats all I ask . Has it been rehashed and rehashed ??? And it always comes out the same ...it does NOT COUNT. Thats not me. Thats the League . The Cleveland Browns have FOUR Titles... Take them and be proud. Thats what the NFL has told you. Not me.They aren't recognized by the NFL, because they weren't in the NFL. Unfortunately, the NFL wasn't the only league that played American Tackle Football. The Cleveland Browns have 8 Titles, 4 of which are in the NFL, 4 of which are in the AAFC. That's what history, as well as the Pro Football Hall of Fame, has told me.
By your reasoning, if the NFL was bought out by a much larger league (let's call it the World Football League), and the Steelers were granted entry and won the first WFL Championship, you would only say they have one title?
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Joe Montana -6'2" 205 lbs.
Fran Tarkenton- 6'0" 190 lbs.
Joe Theismann 6'0" 192 lbs
Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs.
Guess none of those guys could cut it today, either.
Joe Montana -6'2" 205 lbs.
Fran Tarkenton- 6'0" 190 lbs.
Joe Theismann 6'0" 192 lbs
Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs.
Guess none of those guys could cut it today, either.
Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs. NO.
Fran.. Would be Flutie-like
Theisman ... I doubt would be much/ championship wise
Joe Montana would do just fine especially if he played in a system friendly to him.
All I am saying is most players from the 40`s and 50`s wouldn't be NFL Players in this day and age. If you dont understand that then you are dumb.
Climbing the Stairway...To SEVEN !! -
Joe Montana -6'2" 205 lbs.
Fran Tarkenton- 6'0" 190 lbs.
Joe Theismann 6'0" 192 lbs
Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs.
Guess none of those guys could cut it today, either.
Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs. NO.
Fran.. Would be Flutie-like
Theisman ... I doubt would be much/ championship wise
Joe Montana would do just fine especially if he played in a system friendly to him.
All I am saying is most players from the 40`s and 50`s wouldn't be NFL Players in this day and age. If you dont understand that then you are dumb.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs. NO.Fran.. Would be Flutie-like
Theisman ... I doubt would be much/ championship wise
Joe Montana would do just fine especially if he played in a system friendly to him.
All I am saying is most players from the 40`s and 50`s wouldn't be NFL Players in this day and age. If you dont understand that then you are dumb.
They play two different styles of football. Not to mention sports medicine has come a long way since their days. As you would put it, it would be like comparing apples and elephants.
You calling someone dumb is like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you think?
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs. NO.Fran.. Would be Flutie-like
Theisman ... I doubt would be much/ championship wise
Joe Montana would do just fine especially if he played in a system friendly to him.
All I am saying is most players from the 40`s and 50`s wouldn't be NFL Players in this day and age. If you dont understand that then you are dumb.
They play two different styles of football. Not to mention sports medicine has come a long way since their days. As you would put it, it would be like comparing apples and elephants.
You calling someone dumb is like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you think?
They play two different styles of football. Not to mention sports medicine has come a long way since their days. As you would put it, it would be like comparing apples and elephants.
You calling someone dumb is like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you think?
LOL... In your opinion . And I dont really think your dumb. Just that you are ruled by hatred and say stuff that you wouldn't and shouldn't if not for that Bitterness. Its Fandom... I understand. But dont think I wont call you on it. You never budge. I will budge. If I am seriously wrong I listen to reason. Your Hatred wont allow you to do this. Thats my opinion. And i know you dont care... But thats it.
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Formerly Stone said:
Every NFL team has web forums where fans are homers and even disillusion about the reality of their team. This site is entertaining because the most active posts are always involving the Steelers while the site proclaims to be a Browns site. The amount of discussion about another team is an indication that this site is a carbon copy of the team it's named after.......dysfunctional!First of all, I highly doubt the majority of the posts on here involve the Steelers. And even if that were the case, it's because Steeler trolls come on here and like to talk trash, and our moderators are too nice to simply ban them. It would be completely acceptable if the Steeler fans on here knew what they were talking about, but more often than not, that isn't the case. Sometimes we'll strike up a good conversation, but it rarely happens. I'm assuming the only reason you, Freak, and Silverback are even here is because you guys are the cream of the crop when it comes to the Steeler trolls that inhabit this board.
That's not saying much, but, hey...be happy. At least you've found a home.
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They play two different styles of football. Not to mention sports medicine has come a long way since their days. As you would put it, it would be like comparing apples and elephants.
You calling someone dumb is like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you think?
LOL... In your opinion . And I dont really think your dumb. Just that you are ruled by hatred and say stuff that you wouldn't and shouldn't if not for that Bitterness. Its Fandom... I understand. But dont think I wont call you on it. You never budge. I will budge. If I am seriously wrong I listen to reason. Your Hatred wont allow you to do this. Thats my opinion. And i know you dont care... But thats it.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
LOL... In your opinion . And I dont really think your dumb. Just that you are ruled by hatred and say stuff that you wouldn't and shouldn't if not for that Bitterness. Its Fandom... I understand. But dont think I wont call you on it. You never budge. I will budge. If I am seriously wrong I listen to reason. Your Hatred wont allow you to do this. Thats my opinion. And i know you dont care... But thats it.I'm more than willing to budge when I realize I'm in the wrong. But I'm hardly ever in the wrong. That's not my ego speaking, that's logic. When there's a conversation going on, and I don't know anything about it, I stay out of it. It prevents embarassment on my part. I only speak my mind when I am 100% sure I know what I am talking about.
As for this argument. I'm not wrong, and neither are you. It's two different ways of looking at something. You're right, the NFL doesn't acknowledge our AAFC titles. But, I'm also right when I say that the Pro Football Hall of Fame does. It's just two different viewpoints. We have won 8 League Titles, it's just that half of them were in another league. Do we have more league titles than the Steelers? Yes. Do we have more NFL titles than the Steelers? Well, no.
It's the same with politics. "You're wrong because you're a Republican, I'm right because I'm a Democrat." It doesn't work that way. It's more like "You have some good ideas, I have some good ideas. Whoever has the most fans, wins." Sadly, that's the case.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
LOL... In your opinion . And I dont really think your dumb. Just that you are ruled by hatred and say stuff that you wouldn't and shouldn't if not for that Bitterness. Its Fandom... I understand. But dont think I wont call you on it. You never budge. I will budge. If I am seriously wrong I listen to reason. Your Hatred wont allow you to do this. Thats my opinion. And i know you dont care... But thats it.I'm more than willing to budge when I realize I'm in the wrong. But I'm hardly ever in the wrong. That's not my ego speaking, that's logic. When there's a conversation going on, and I don't know anything about it, I stay out of it. It prevents embarassment on my part. I only speak my mind when I am 100% sure I know what I am talking about.
As for this argument. I'm not wrong, and neither are you. It's two different ways of looking at something. You're right, the NFL doesn't acknowledge our AAFC titles. But, I'm also right when I say that the Pro Football Hall of Fame does. It's just two different viewpoints. We have won 8 League Titles, it's just that half of them were in another league. Do we have more league titles than the Steelers? Yes. Do we have more NFL titles than the Steelers? Well, no.
It's the same with politics. "You're wrong because you're a Republican, I'm right because I'm a Democrat." It doesn't work that way. It's more like "You have some good ideas, I have some good ideas. Whoever has the most fans, wins." Sadly, that's the case.
I'm more than willing to budge when I realize I'm in the wrong. But I'm hardly ever in the wrong. That's not my ego speaking, that's logic. When there's a conversation going on, and I don't know anything about it, I stay out of it. It prevents embarassment on my part. I only speak my mind when I am 100% sure I know what I am talking about.
As for this argument. I'm not wrong, and neither are you. It's two different ways of looking at something. You're right, the NFL doesn't acknowledge our AAFC titles. But, I'm also right when I say that the Pro Football Hall of Fame does. It's just two different viewpoints. We have won 8 League Titles, it's just that half of them were in another league. Do we have more league titles than the Steelers? Yes. Do we have more NFL titles than the Steelers? Well, no.
It's the same with politics. "You're wrong because you're a Republican, I'm right because I'm a Democrat." It doesn't work that way. It's more like "You have some good ideas, I have some good ideas. Whoever has the most fans, wins." Sadly, that's the case.
Ok... I have to agree with that assesment. Well said. . . . . Sorry I am in Shock. LOL.
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Formerly Stone said:
Now there is a disillusion, bitter, post!More specifically, you HATE the truth. Aren't you the SAME guy that showed us 35 different camera angles of the football not making it to the first down marker? This is the same deal. Your best coaches were CLEVELAND BROWNS. And I see your buddies are editing the results they hate. Here's another snapshot of it all before we say checkmate Stoner!
The Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championships:
1946 (won)
1947 (won)
1948 (won)
1949 (won)
1950 (won)
1951 (lost)
1952 (lost)
1953 (lost)
1954 (won)
1955 (won)
7 wins 3 losses
1964 (won)
1 win 0 losses
A dynasty of 8-3 that includes 3 different decades. Inside the numbers there's a West Coast Offense that Bill Walsh would later use for his dynasty. There's an Otto Graham and a Jim Brown leading a multiplicity of players into the NFL Hall of Fame. There was absolutely no wreakage of any widespread steroid usage or HGH doctors in the house. Last but not least, there were 2 future Head Coaches named Noll and Shula waiting to put cities on the NFL map in Pittsburgh and Miami. Before the Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh was the NFL version of Native America before Christopher Columbus showed them the meaning of "how."
- Tom F. (If be envious of the REAL thing too if I was a Steel Orphan)
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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