Steelers did not make it to the play-offs

BUNSofSTEEL08

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Of course he couldn't. He'd 89 years old. I'd like to see any 89 year old try and play professional football.

More Brain Surgery from a man needing a Brain Surgeon aka TCPO !!! I think you know I meant in his Prime . 6`1`` what a Buck ninety five. With a 5.1 40 yrd dash. Lucky he played against DB and LBs running the same speed.

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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Just another dumb-ass comment from you. Lets lump "ALL" in the same boat. Thats as dumb as a Steeler fans saying ALL the Browns players suck. You sound like the Bitter prejudice imbecile that you make yourself out to be.

So, I'm dumb because I don't want to recognize your titles. But you're fine because you don't want to recognize ours, even though they're recognized in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?

I don't see how I'm the prejudiced one. Nor the bitter one. Nor the imbecile.

BUNSofSTEEL08

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
So, I'm dumb because I don't want to recognize your titles. But you're fine because you don't want to recognize ours, even though they're recognized in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
I don't see how I'm the prejudiced one. Nor the bitter one. Nor the imbecile.

ARE they recognized by the NFL ???? Thats all I ask . Has it been rehashed and rehashed ??? And it always comes out the same ...it does NOT COUNT. Thats not me. Thats the League . The Cleveland Browns have FOUR Titles... Take them and be proud. Thats what the NFL has told you. Not me.

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Joe Montana -6'2" 205 lbs.

Fran Tarkenton- 6'0" 190 lbs.

Joe Theismann 6'0" 192 lbs

Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs.

Guess none of those guys could cut it today, either.

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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
ARE they recognized by the NFL ???? Thats all I ask . Has it been rehashed and rehashed ??? And it always comes out the same ...it does NOT COUNT. Thats not me. Thats the League . The Cleveland Browns have FOUR Titles... Take them and be proud. Thats what the NFL has told you. Not me.

They aren't recognized by the NFL, because they weren't in the NFL. Unfortunately, the NFL wasn't the only league that played American Tackle Football. The Cleveland Browns have 8 Titles, 4 of which are in the NFL, 4 of which are in the AAFC. That's what history, as well as the Pro Football Hall of Fame, has told me.

By your reasoning, if the NFL was bought out by a much larger league (let's call it the World Football League), and the Steelers were granted entry and won the first WFL Championship, you would only say they have one title?

BUNSofSTEEL08

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Joe Montana -6'2" 205 lbs.
Fran Tarkenton- 6'0" 190 lbs.

Joe Theismann 6'0" 192 lbs

Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs.

Guess none of those guys could cut it today, either.

Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs. NO.

Fran.. Would be Flutie-like

Theisman ... I doubt would be much/ championship wise

Joe Montana would do just fine especially if he played in a system friendly to him.

All I am saying is most players from the 40`s and 50`s wouldn't be NFL Players in this day and age. If you dont understand that then you are dumb.

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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Y.A. Tittle 6'0 192 lbs. NO.
Fran.. Would be Flutie-like

Theisman ... I doubt would be much/ championship wise

Joe Montana would do just fine especially if he played in a system friendly to him.

All I am saying is most players from the 40`s and 50`s wouldn't be NFL Players in this day and age. If you dont understand that then you are dumb.

They play two different styles of football. Not to mention sports medicine has come a long way since their days. As you would put it, it would be like comparing apples and elephants.

You calling someone dumb is like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you think?

BUNSofSTEEL08

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
They play two different styles of football. Not to mention sports medicine has come a long way since their days. As you would put it, it would be like comparing apples and elephants.
You calling someone dumb is like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you think?

LOL... In your opinion . And I dont really think your dumb. Just that you are ruled by hatred and say stuff that you wouldn't and shouldn't if not for that Bitterness. Its Fandom... I understand. But dont think I wont call you on it. You never budge. I will budge. If I am seriously wrong I listen to reason. Your Hatred wont allow you to do this. Thats my opinion. And i know you dont care... But thats it.

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Formerly Stone said:
Every NFL team has web forums where fans are homers and even disillusion about the reality of their team. This site is entertaining because the most active posts are always involving the Steelers while the site proclaims to be a Browns site. The amount of discussion about another team is an indication that this site is a carbon copy of the team it's named after.......dysfunctional!

First of all, I highly doubt the majority of the posts on here involve the Steelers. And even if that were the case, it's because Steeler trolls come on here and like to talk trash, and our moderators are too nice to simply ban them. It would be completely acceptable if the Steeler fans on here knew what they were talking about, but more often than not, that isn't the case. Sometimes we'll strike up a good conversation, but it rarely happens. I'm assuming the only reason you, Freak, and Silverback are even here is because you guys are the cream of the crop when it comes to the Steeler trolls that inhabit this board.

That's not saying much, but, hey...be happy. At least you've found a home.

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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
LOL... In your opinion . And I dont really think your dumb. Just that you are ruled by hatred and say stuff that you wouldn't and shouldn't if not for that Bitterness. Its Fandom... I understand. But dont think I wont call you on it. You never budge. I will budge. If I am seriously wrong I listen to reason. Your Hatred wont allow you to do this. Thats my opinion. And i know you dont care... But thats it.

I'm more than willing to budge when I realize I'm in the wrong. But I'm hardly ever in the wrong. That's not my ego speaking, that's logic. When there's a conversation going on, and I don't know anything about it, I stay out of it. It prevents embarassment on my part. I only speak my mind when I am 100% sure I know what I am talking about.

As for this argument. I'm not wrong, and neither are you. It's two different ways of looking at something. You're right, the NFL doesn't acknowledge our AAFC titles. But, I'm also right when I say that the Pro Football Hall of Fame does. It's just two different viewpoints. We have won 8 League Titles, it's just that half of them were in another league. Do we have more league titles than the Steelers? Yes. Do we have more NFL titles than the Steelers? Well, no.

It's the same with politics. "You're wrong because you're a Republican, I'm right because I'm a Democrat." It doesn't work that way. It's more like "You have some good ideas, I have some good ideas. Whoever has the most fans, wins." Sadly, that's the case.

BUNSofSTEEL08

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I'm more than willing to budge when I realize I'm in the wrong. But I'm hardly ever in the wrong. That's not my ego speaking, that's logic. When there's a conversation going on, and I don't know anything about it, I stay out of it. It prevents embarassment on my part. I only speak my mind when I am 100% sure I know what I am talking about.
As for this argument. I'm not wrong, and neither are you. It's two different ways of looking at something. You're right, the NFL doesn't acknowledge our AAFC titles. But, I'm also right when I say that the Pro Football Hall of Fame does. It's just two different viewpoints. We have won 8 League Titles, it's just that half of them were in another league. Do we have more league titles than the Steelers? Yes. Do we have more NFL titles than the Steelers? Well, no.

It's the same with politics. "You're wrong because you're a Republican, I'm right because I'm a Democrat." It doesn't work that way. It's more like "You have some good ideas, I have some good ideas. Whoever has the most fans, wins." Sadly, that's the case.

Ok... I have to agree with that assesment. Well said. . . . . Sorry I am in Shock. LOL.

Flugel

Formerly Stone said:
Now there is a disillusion, bitter, post!

More specifically, you HATE the truth. Aren't you the SAME guy that showed us 35 different camera angles of the football not making it to the first down marker? This is the same deal. Your best coaches were CLEVELAND BROWNS. And I see your buddies are editing the results they hate. Here's another snapshot of it all before we say checkmate Stoner!

The Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championships:

1946 (won)

1947 (won)

1948 (won)

1949 (won)

1950 (won)

1951 (lost)

1952 (lost)

1953 (lost)

1954 (won)

1955 (won)

7 wins 3 losses

1964 (won)

1 win 0 losses

A dynasty of 8-3 that includes 3 different decades. Inside the numbers there's a West Coast Offense that Bill Walsh would later use for his dynasty. There's an Otto Graham and a Jim Brown leading a multiplicity of players into the NFL Hall of Fame. There was absolutely no wreakage of any widespread steroid usage or HGH doctors in the house. Last but not least, there were 2 future Head Coaches named Noll and Shula waiting to put cities on the NFL map in Pittsburgh and Miami. Before the Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh was the NFL version of Native America before Christopher Columbus showed them the meaning of "how."

- Tom F. (If be envious of the REAL thing too if I was a Steel Orphan)

Riffer X

@flugel said:
More specifically, you HATE the truth. Aren't you the SAME guy that showed us 35 different camera angles of the football not making it to the first down marker? This is the same deal. Your best coaches were CLEVELAND BROWNS. And I see your buddies are editing the results they hate. Here's another snapshot of it all before we say checkmate Stoner!
The Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championships:

1946 (won)

1947 (won)

1948 (won)

1949 (won)

1950 (won)

1951 (lost)

1952 (lost)

1953 (lost)

1954 (won)

1955 (won)

7 wins 3 losses

1964 (won)

1 win 0 losses

A dynasty of 8-3 that includes 3 different decades. Inside the numbers there's a West Coast Offense that Bill Walsh would later use for his dynasty. There's an Otto Graham and a Jim Brown leading a multiplicity of players into the NFL Hall of Fame. There was absolutely no wreakage of any widespread steroid usage or HGH doctors in the house. Last but not least, there were 2 future Head Coaches named Noll and Shula waiting to put cities on the NFL map in Pittsburgh and Miami. Before the Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh was the NFL version of Native America before Christopher Columbus showed them the meaning of "how."

- Tom F. (If be envious of the REAL thing too if I was a Steel Orphan)

Stoner has been owned. Need some more of that Cheech and Chong Tidestick Stoner?

Imagine Stoner, Piece of the Rock, Sliverdick and Superfreaky in the same room watching their beloved Stillers. Not sure what would be in more abundance, high fives or reach arounds.

Flugel

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Is it any wonder WHY Pittsburgh wanted to emulate Cleveland by going after Paul Brown's pupil Chuck Noll? And when it was time to replace Noll - didn't they grab yet another former Cleveland Brown player by the name of Bill Cowher? And what about the BEST team in the 70s that went PERFECT without steroids + a backup QB starting most of their games? Along came another former Cleveland Brown by the name of Don Shula to lead his Miami Dolphins team into 3 consecutive Superbowls (after he had Baltimore in a Superbowl or two). Imagine that!
If you go by the most Championship victories - the best QB of all time is Otto Graham. Any historian will tell you the best RB to ever suit up in the pros is Jim Brown. It is what it is.

The inconvenient truth remains: without the Cleveland Browns there still would be no such thing as the Pittsburgh Steelers.

LOL..Ok , I agree Chuck Noll came from Winning and Rooney had to think "Hey this guy is worth a Shot". But Cowher played for a Browns team that was know for Close but NO Cigar. Add to that bill Cowher was Pittsburgh Born and Bred.

Otto Graham hilarious... Couldn't start for Half the NFL Teams Today. Jim Brown was truly a one of a kind player. The Browns do indeed play a part in the Steelers legacy , especially with Noll.

Thanks for being our Coaching "University". Too bad your front office had NO IDEA what they had in Chuck Noll. Of course with out Bradshaw , Swann , Stallworth , Greene , Greenwood , Hamm , Lambert , Blount , Harris .... On and On. Chuck Noll would have never been either.

It's funny you mention Otto Graham wouldn't make it today when there's a Brett Favre showing me he COULD! And even better, let's revisit Bradshaw's first 5 years and see how that compares with the patience NFL teams have for QBs today.

Year Tm GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int

1970 PIT 13 8 3-5-0 83 218 38.1 1410 6 24

1971 PIT 13 5-8-0 203 373 54.4 2259 13 22

1972 PIT 14 11-3-0 147 308 47.7 1887 12 12

1973 PIT 9 8-1-0 89 180 49.4 1183 10 15

1974 PIT 7 5-2-0 67 148 45.3 785 7 8

When everyone upfront got on steroids, you had 2 average RBs rushing for over 1,000 yards apeice and all Bradshaw ever needed to be was Trent Dilfer with a strong running game, 1 or 2 acrobatic receivers, an immaculate reception and a defense alloting it's own offense a tremendous margin of error. Beating the Vikings 16-6 wasn't because Bradshaw was brilliant or lighting em up. Give it any spin you have to. Aside from that, how many of Bradshaw's old teammates and coaches remained on speaking terms with him? Graham led his team to 10 consecutive Championships from 46 to 55. I'll give you the rest of your life to find me a more successful QB playing pro football. Good luck with that!

- Tom F.

Riffer X

Bradshaw couldn't spell KAT if ya spotted him the k and the E.

Riffer X

Only issue with Otto was the drinking problem.

He drank way too much milk.

Graham was a stud in any generation. Go back and watch some highlights or if you're cool like me you can see full games on Classic. If you watch that and still think he can't play then you are a Stiller fan or a moron. Both of which are one in the same.

The Gipper

Formerly Stone said:
You just don't get it do ya? Nobody is saying the Browns didn't win all those so-called "championships" What I'm trying to get through your thick skull is that if you are going to diminish what the Steelers have done by saying the Browns have more "championships" then you also have to be able to accept the fact that since the Browns championships were mostly won in an era when there were multiple "champions" and the helmet was barely invented you are talking apples and elephants!

Who gives a rat's f**king ass about the Steelers? Whoever has tried to diminish what they have done? They won their titles, the Browns won their titles, the Rams, Bulldog, Pros all won their titles. Many of the titles of all these teams were won under varying circumstances and under varying rules. Even the Steelers titles from the 70s were won under different circumstances than the ones won recently. The game of football in the 70s was far more similar to the game of football in the 50s than it was to the game in the 2000s.

Nevertheless, they all count. No one is trying to deny anything to the Steelers. Where are coming up with that BS?

Again, the only reason you want to discount the titles won by teams of yore is because you CHOOSE to be stupid about them, and because they don't fit the ignorant propaganda you wish us to accept that the game of football only began at a point in time in which the Steelers finally started to become good at it. It don't work that way. Facts are facts. History is history.

Perhaps you would like the US to still be a British colony? Sorry, history didn't work out that way.

Perhaps you would like it if the South had won the Civil War. Sorry, history didn't work that way.

History isn't an opinion, it is a fact.

By your way of arguing, you would suggest probably that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Monroe, Madison, Jackson etc. etc. really weren't "True" Presidents, because, after all, the US in their day didn't have the 50 states it has now and didn't extend from sea to shining sea.

You would say that being President of the USA in the 1790s or 1800s is like comparing apples to elephants.

Sorry, but George, Tom, Jim, Andy were all still Presidents, and the Browns, Rams, Bulldog, Pros were all still champions.

The Gipper

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
3-9 , 3-9 , The Colts and 49ers records in 1st year after the Teams entered the NFL from the AAFC. The Browns stacked squad clearly the Class of this Awesome "League".
And the Browns were a free spending team using the Fame of Paul Brown to Stack that team .

Quite an advantage , especially in an age where Football players were looking to Maximize salaries.

Black players were excluded from the NFL from 1934 to 1945.. the AACF started in 1946 .. The NFL had already started to sign and Play black players. The AAFC was NOT the NFL. They had ONE Team that was NFL Caliber. Be Proud that was you team. But thats all there is to it.

Hmm, maybe the NFL had 1,2,3 black players. The AAFC had numerous. What was your source about the blacks in the NFL?

I was under the impression that there weren't any blacks in the NFL until like 1948. I may be wrong. I am not disputing you, I simply would like to know it an verify it for my own information, so that I don't make errors of fact of this nature.

The Gipper

Formerly Stone said:
Isn't it funny that Browns fans imagine so many things.....they can invent all kinds of things to make the Browns look good and even more things to make the Steelers look bad.
Only on a forum dedicated to disillusion Steeler haters!

No, we are not dedicated to Steeler haters. None of this would even come up if you wouldn't knowingly make asshole, factually wrong statements.

No one is requiring you to patronize this board.

If you want to go to a place where they like to use propaganda techniques to try to deny history, I am sure we can find a few Neo-Nazi sites, or fundamental Islamist sites to suit you. You want to come here, you will be challenged on your crap.

If you can't handle the truth, that is not our problem.

If you don't want it to be your problem, say Sayonara, sucker.

The Gipper

FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Is it any wonder WHY Pittsburgh wanted to emulate Cleveland by going after Paul Brown's pupil Chuck Noll? And when it was time to replace Noll - didn't they grab yet another former Cleveland Brown player by the name of Bill Cowher? And what about the BEST team in the 70s that went PERFECT without steroids + a backup QB starting most of their games? Along came another former Cleveland Brown by the name of Don Shula to lead his Miami Dolphins team into 3 consecutive Superbowls (after he had Baltimore in a Superbowl or two). Imagine that!
If you go by the most Championship victories - the best QB of all time is Otto Graham. Any historian will tell you the best RB to ever suit up in the pros is Jim Brown. It is what it is.

The inconvenient truth remains: without the Cleveland Browns there still would be no such thing as the Pittsburgh Steelers.

LOL..Ok , I agree Chuck Noll came from Winning and Rooney had to think "Hey this guy is worth a Shot". But Cowher played for a Browns team that was know for Close but NO Cigar. Add to that bill Cowher was Pittsburgh Born and Bred.

Otto Graham hilarious... Couldn't start for Half the NFL Teams Today. Jim Brown was truly a one of a kind player. The Browns do indeed play a part in the Steelers legacy , especially with Noll.

Thanks for being our Coaching "University". Too bad your front office had NO IDEA what they had in Chuck Noll. Of course with out Bradshaw , Swann , Stallworth , Greene , Greenwood , Hamm , Lambert , Blount , Harris .... On and On. Chuck Noll would have never been either.

Your argument that Otto Graham could not start for half the NFL teams is as specious, and as wrong as if one of us would say that Bradshaw, Swann, Stallworth, Greene, Ham, Lambert, Blount, and Harris couldn't start for half the NFL teams today. It is an absurd statement, and you knew it when you said it. It was said by you purposely only to be contrary and stupid. That is why Steeler fans of your ilk get disrespected around here. Graham's stature (height, weight etc.) is similar to what Joe Montana's was (by inference you imply that Joe Montana couldn't play for half the team's in the NFL today....FYI, Otto and Joe essentially ran the same offense...the offense taught by Paul Brown to Bill Walsh). It is also similar to that of Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Carson Palmer, Tony Romo etc. etc.