Tom Cousineau
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Great linebacker???
OK
Yea, great in college maybe. Serviceable in the NFL. Was really too slight to be a superior MLB in the NFL for that time. The game had changed a great deal even since the 70s. The O-linemen were significantly larger by the 80s. I would say on the average of 30-40 pounds larger than even 10 years earlier (steroids?). He didn't have the bulk to bang sufficiently hard with the larger dudes of that era.
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Tom was a real good player for the Bucs....but yep, he might be considered on the list of all-time first player taken busts.
He did have a decent career, but on a comparative basis he wasn't as good a player for his draft position as Gerrard Warren was....or certainly no better.
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Lol I just thought it was cool...thats all.
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Lol I just thought it was cool...thats all.
Lol I just thought it was cool...thats all.
It is....that's cool man.
We aren't picking you apart....just old timers talking Browns stuff since there isn't much to talk about this time of year.
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Tom was a real good player for the Bucs....but yep, he might be considered on the list of all-time first player taken busts.
He did have a decent career, but on a comparative basis he wasn't as good a player for his draft position as Gerrard Warren was....or certainly no better.
Tom was a real good player for the Bucs....but yep, he might be considered on the list of all-time first player taken busts.
He did have a decent career, but on a comparative basis he wasn't as good a player for his draft position as Gerrard Warren was....or certainly no better.
I disagree with that. While TC was not a raging success, he was not as unproductive as Warren...or Courtney Brown.
Did he live up to his draft position? No.
Was he one of the worst all time #1 picks taken? By no means. Below average, certainly, but by no means the worst.
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Tom was a real good player for the Bucs....but yep, he might be considered on the list of all-time first player taken busts.
He did have a decent career, but on a comparative basis he wasn't as good a player for his draft position as Gerrard Warren was....or certainly no better.
I disagree with that. While TC was not a raging success, he was not as unproductive as Warren...or Courtney Brown.
Did he live up to his draft position? No.
Was he one of the worst all time #1 picks taken? By no means. Below average, certainly, but by no means the worst.
I disagree with that. While TC was not a raging success, he was not as unproductive as Warren...or Courtney Brown.
Did he live up to his draft position? No.
Was he one of the worst all time #1 picks taken? By no means. Below average, certainly, but by no means the worst.
http://www.madduxsports.com/nflpicks.html
Here he is listed as the 11th worst #1 pick.
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I disagree with that. While TC was not a raging success, he was not as unproductive as Warren...or Courtney Brown.
Did he live up to his draft position? No.
Was he one of the worst all time #1 picks taken? By no means. Below average, certainly, but by no means the worst.
http://www.madduxsports.com/nflpicks.html
Here he is listed as the 11th worst #1 pick.
http://www.madduxsports.com/nflpicks.html
Here he is listed as the 11th worst #1 pick.
Well that is just one guys opinion. I have a whole host of people ahead of Cousineau. Cousineau was functional and productive for a number of years. The following were really not:
Courtney Browns
Ki-Jana Carter
Aundray Bruce
Ricky Bell
Terry Baker
Ernie Davis
Randy Duncan
King Hill
Brian Bosworth
Akili Smith
Andre Ware
Lawrence Phillips
Steve Emtman
Rae Carruth
Curtis Enis
Charles Rogers
Tony Mandarich
Todd Marinovich
Jamarcus Russell
even Archie Griffin
plus I may be able to go on. Again, I am not saying that Cousineau lived up to expectations. He didn't. But he was by no means the worst that has come down the line. I know that some of the above had careers cut short by injuries. But that is part of the bargain as well, isn't it?
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http://www.madduxsports.com/nflpicks.html
Here he is listed as the 11th worst #1 pick.
Well that is just one guys opinion. I have a whole host of people ahead of Cousineau. Cousineau was functional and productive for a number of years. The following were really not:
Courtney Browns
Ki-Jana Carter
Aundray Bruce
Ricky Bell
Terry Baker
Ernie Davis
Randy Duncan
King Hill
Brian Bosworth
Akili Smith
Andre Ware
Lawrence Phillips
Steve Emtman
Rae Carruth
Curtis Enis
Charles Rogers
Tony Mandarich
Todd Marinovich
Jamarcus Russell
even Archie Griffin
plus I may be able to go on. Again, I am not saying that Cousineau lived up to expectations. He didn't. But he was by no means the worst that has come down the line. I know that some of the above had careers cut short by injuries. But that is part of the bargain as well, isn't it?
Well that is just one guys opinion. I have a whole host of people ahead of Cousineau. Cousineau was functional and productive for a number of years. The following were really not:
Courtney Browns
Ki-Jana Carter
Aundray Bruce
Ricky Bell
Terry Baker
Ernie Davis
Randy Duncan
King Hill
Brian Bosworth
Akili Smith
Andre Ware
Lawrence Phillips
Steve Emtman
Rae Carruth
Curtis Enis
Charles Rogers
Tony Mandarich
Todd Marinovich
Jamarcus Russell
even Archie Griffin
plus I may be able to go on. Again, I am not saying that Cousineau lived up to expectations. He didn't. But he was by no means the worst that has come down the line. I know that some of the above had careers cut short by injuries. But that is part of the bargain as well, isn't it?
My list was of #1 overall picks.
No matter where on the list he falls, I doubt his name is on any list as being a good 1st round pick. We are just splitting hairs as to where on the list he falls.
IMO it is safe to say he falls much closer to the worst pick ever made v the best pick ever made, so when you consider the total number of players who would fall on both lists and the in between list, you now gain the context of how I say he is pretty high on the bust list.
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Well that is just one guys opinion. I have a whole host of people ahead of Cousineau. Cousineau was functional and productive for a number of years. The following were really not:
Courtney Browns
Ki-Jana Carter
Aundray Bruce
Ricky Bell
Terry Baker
Ernie Davis
Randy Duncan
King Hill
Brian Bosworth
Akili Smith
Andre Ware
Lawrence Phillips
Steve Emtman
Rae Carruth
Curtis Enis
Charles Rogers
Tony Mandarich
Todd Marinovich
Jamarcus Russell
even Archie Griffin
plus I may be able to go on. Again, I am not saying that Cousineau lived up to expectations. He didn't. But he was by no means the worst that has come down the line. I know that some of the above had careers cut short by injuries. But that is part of the bargain as well, isn't it?
My list was of #1 overall picks.
No matter where on the list he falls, I doubt his name is on any list as being a good 1st round pick. We are just splitting hairs as to where on the list he falls.
IMO it is safe to say he falls much closer to the worst pick ever made v the best pick ever made, so when you consider the total number of players who would fall on both lists and the in between list, you now gain the context of how I say he is pretty high on the bust list.
My list was of #1 overall picks.
No, I don't think so. Go back and check. Few of the guys on that list you gave were #1 overall picks. Really, check it out.
No matter where on the list he falls, I doubt his name is on any list as being a good 1st round pick. We are just splitting hairs as to where on the list he falls.
Fair enough. I wasn't defending him as being a superstar or anything. But, for a while, he was "serviceable" if disappointing based on draft rank.
IMO it is safe to say he falls much closer to the worst pick ever made v the best pick ever made, so when you consider the total number of players who would fall on both lists and the in between list, you now gain the context of how I say he is pretty high on the bust list.
Possibly. It might be entertaining to do an analysis of that.
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Cousineau was drafted first overall in the 1979 NFL Draft by the Buffalo Bills, who acquired the pick from the San Francisco 49ers in a trade for O.J. Simpson. Cousineau never played a game with the Bills. He instead signed with the Canadian Football League Montreal Alouettes where they offered double the money that the Bills originally offered. Cousineau became a star there, becoming the Grey Cup Most Valuable Player in the 1979 season. Cousineau wanted to return to the NFL, and in 1982 the Houston Oilers attempted to sign him, but the Bills (who still held Cousineau's NFL rights) matched the offer. He was then traded from the Bills to the Cleveland Browns for a first round draft choice (14th overall) in the 1983 NFL Draft[4]. That pick was used on future Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly. Cousineau signed a five-year contract for 2.5 million dollars, the most ever for a Cleveland Brown player at the time[5].
During Cousineau's four seasons with the Browns, he led the team in tackles for three seasons and was a two time All-NFL but never made the Pro Bowl in his career. Cousineau signed with the San Francisco 49ers as a free agent after the 1985 season where he played two years as a reserve before retiring in 1987.
Cousineau finished his NFL career with ten interceptions and 6.5 career sacks and currently stays at home with his wife, Lisa, and two daughters, Kyle and Kacey, and renovates houses.
Cousineau was drafted first overall in the 1979 NFL Draft by the Buffalo Bills, who acquired the pick from the San Francisco 49ers in a trade for O.J. Simpson. Cousineau never played a game with the Bills. He instead signed with the Canadian Football League Montreal Alouettes where they offered double the money that the Bills originally offered. Cousineau became a star there, becoming the Grey Cup Most Valuable Player in the 1979 season. Cousineau wanted to return to the NFL, and in 1982 the Houston Oilers attempted to sign him, but the Bills (who still held Cousineau's NFL rights) matched the offer. He was then traded from the Bills to the Cleveland Browns for a first round draft choice (14th overall) in the 1983 NFL Draft[4]. That pick was used on future Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly. Cousineau signed a five-year contract for 2.5 million dollars, the most ever for a Cleveland Brown player at the time[5].
During Cousineau's four seasons with the Browns, he led the team in tackles for three seasons and was a two time All-NFL but never made the Pro Bowl in his career. Cousineau signed with the San Francisco 49ers as a free agent after the 1985 season where he played two years as a reserve before retiring in 1987.
Cousineau finished his NFL career with ten interceptions and 6.5 career sacks and currently stays at home with his wife, Lisa, and two daughters, Kyle and Kacey, and renovates houses.
thanks diehard.........that was very good............on the resume of Cousineau.........never lived up to the great hype............OK LB in the NFL
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Cousineau was drafted first overall in the 1979 NFL Draft by the Buffalo Bills, who acquired the pick from the San Francisco 49ers in a trade for O.J. Simpson. Cousineau never played a game with the Bills. He instead signed with the Canadian Football League Montreal Alouettes where they offered double the money that the Bills originally offered. Cousineau became a star there, becoming the Grey Cup Most Valuable Player in the 1979 season. Cousineau wanted to return to the NFL, and in 1982 the Houston Oilers attempted to sign him, but the Bills (who still held Cousineau's NFL rights) matched the offer. He was then traded from the Bills to the Cleveland Browns for a first round draft choice (14th overall) in the 1983 NFL Draft[4]. That pick was used on future Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly. Cousineau signed a five-year contract for 2.5 million dollars, the most ever for a Cleveland Brown player at the time[5].
During Cousineau's four seasons with the Browns, he led the team in tackles for three seasons and was a two time All-NFL but never made the Pro Bowl in his career. Cousineau signed with the San Francisco 49ers as a free agent after the 1985 season where he played two years as a reserve before retiring in 1987.
Cousineau finished his NFL career with ten interceptions and 6.5 career sacks and currently stays at home with his wife, Lisa, and two daughters, Kyle and Kacey, and renovates houses.
thanks diehard.........that was very good............on the resume of Cousineau.........never lived up to the great hype............OK LB in the NFL
thanks diehard.........that was very good............on the resume of Cousineau.........never lived up to the great hype............OK LB in the NFL
That bio was from wiki
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Never claimed I wrote it. Just a response to your post.
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No, I don't think so. Go back and check. Few of the guys on that list you gave were #1 overall picks. Really, check it out
Ahhh.....my bad.
Funny how being wrong actually strengthens my position.
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No, I don't think so. Go back and check. Few of the guys on that list you gave were #1 overall picks. Really, check it out
Ahhh.....my bad.
Funny how being wrong actually strengthens my position.
Ahhh.....my bad.
Funny how being wrong actually strengthens my position.
Hmm, I don't know. See my survey on Browns #1 picks. Almost no one puts him in the top 10 worst first round draft picks in Browns history so much as NFL history. Perhaps now I will extrapolate the survey to include #1 NFL picks.
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Ahhh.....my bad.
Funny how being wrong actually strengthens my position.
Hmm, I don't know. See my survey on Browns #1 picks. Almost no one puts him in the top 10 worst first round draft picks in Browns history so much as NFL history. Perhaps now I will extrapolate the survey to include #1 NFL picks.
Hmm, I don't know. See my survey on Browns #1 picks. Almost no one puts him in the top 10 worst first round draft picks in Browns history so much as NFL history. Perhaps now I will extrapolate the survey to include #1 NFL picks.
Maybe because he wasn't picked by us???
yep...that probably has something to do with it.
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Hmm, I don't know. See my survey on Browns #1 picks. Almost no one puts him in the top 10 worst first round draft picks in Browns history so much as NFL history. Perhaps now I will extrapolate the survey to include #1 NFL picks.
Maybe because he wasn't picked by us???
yep...that probably has something to do with it.
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