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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @the-gipper said:

    I disagree with that. While TC was not a raging success, he was not as unproductive as Warren...or Courtney Brown.

    Did he live up to his draft position? No.

    Was he one of the worst all time #1 picks taken? By no means. Below average, certainly, but by no means the worst.

    http://www.madduxsports.com/nflpicks.html

    Here he is listed as the 11th worst #1 pick.

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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @ballpeen said:

    http://www.madduxsports.com/nflpicks.html

    Here he is listed as the 11th worst #1 pick.

    Well that is just one guys opinion. I have a whole host of people ahead of Cousineau. Cousineau was functional and productive for a number of years. The following were really not:

    Courtney Browns

    Ki-Jana Carter

    Aundray Bruce

    Ricky Bell

    Terry Baker

    Ernie Davis

    Randy Duncan

    King Hill

    Brian Bosworth

    Akili Smith

    Andre Ware

    Lawrence Phillips

    Steve Emtman

    Rae Carruth

    Curtis Enis

    Charles Rogers

    Tony Mandarich

    Todd Marinovich

    Jamarcus Russell

    even Archie Griffin

    plus I may be able to go on. Again, I am not saying that Cousineau lived up to expectations. He didn't. But he was by no means the worst that has come down the line. I know that some of the above had careers cut short by injuries. But that is part of the bargain as well, isn't it?

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    • The GipperT The Gipper

      @ballpeen said:

      http://www.madduxsports.com/nflpicks.html

      Here he is listed as the 11th worst #1 pick.

      Well that is just one guys opinion. I have a whole host of people ahead of Cousineau. Cousineau was functional and productive for a number of years. The following were really not:

      Courtney Browns

      Ki-Jana Carter

      Aundray Bruce

      Ricky Bell

      Terry Baker

      Ernie Davis

      Randy Duncan

      King Hill

      Brian Bosworth

      Akili Smith

      Andre Ware

      Lawrence Phillips

      Steve Emtman

      Rae Carruth

      Curtis Enis

      Charles Rogers

      Tony Mandarich

      Todd Marinovich

      Jamarcus Russell

      even Archie Griffin

      plus I may be able to go on. Again, I am not saying that Cousineau lived up to expectations. He didn't. But he was by no means the worst that has come down the line. I know that some of the above had careers cut short by injuries. But that is part of the bargain as well, isn't it?

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      ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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      @the-gipper said:

      Well that is just one guys opinion. I have a whole host of people ahead of Cousineau. Cousineau was functional and productive for a number of years. The following were really not:

      Courtney Browns

      Ki-Jana Carter

      Aundray Bruce

      Ricky Bell

      Terry Baker

      Ernie Davis

      Randy Duncan

      King Hill

      Brian Bosworth

      Akili Smith

      Andre Ware

      Lawrence Phillips

      Steve Emtman

      Rae Carruth

      Curtis Enis

      Charles Rogers

      Tony Mandarich

      Todd Marinovich

      Jamarcus Russell

      even Archie Griffin

      plus I may be able to go on. Again, I am not saying that Cousineau lived up to expectations. He didn't. But he was by no means the worst that has come down the line. I know that some of the above had careers cut short by injuries. But that is part of the bargain as well, isn't it?

      My list was of #1 overall picks.

      No matter where on the list he falls, I doubt his name is on any list as being a good 1st round pick. We are just splitting hairs as to where on the list he falls.

      IMO it is safe to say he falls much closer to the worst pick ever made v the best pick ever made, so when you consider the total number of players who would fall on both lists and the in between list, you now gain the context of how I say he is pretty high on the bust list.

      If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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      • ballpeenB ballpeen

        @the-gipper said:

        Well that is just one guys opinion. I have a whole host of people ahead of Cousineau. Cousineau was functional and productive for a number of years. The following were really not:

        Courtney Browns

        Ki-Jana Carter

        Aundray Bruce

        Ricky Bell

        Terry Baker

        Ernie Davis

        Randy Duncan

        King Hill

        Brian Bosworth

        Akili Smith

        Andre Ware

        Lawrence Phillips

        Steve Emtman

        Rae Carruth

        Curtis Enis

        Charles Rogers

        Tony Mandarich

        Todd Marinovich

        Jamarcus Russell

        even Archie Griffin

        plus I may be able to go on. Again, I am not saying that Cousineau lived up to expectations. He didn't. But he was by no means the worst that has come down the line. I know that some of the above had careers cut short by injuries. But that is part of the bargain as well, isn't it?

        My list was of #1 overall picks.

        No matter where on the list he falls, I doubt his name is on any list as being a good 1st round pick. We are just splitting hairs as to where on the list he falls.

        IMO it is safe to say he falls much closer to the worst pick ever made v the best pick ever made, so when you consider the total number of players who would fall on both lists and the in between list, you now gain the context of how I say he is pretty high on the bust list.

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        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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        @ballpeen said:

        My list was of #1 overall picks.

        No, I don't think so. Go back and check. Few of the guys on that list you gave were #1 overall picks. Really, check it out.

        No matter where on the list he falls, I doubt his name is on any list as being a good 1st round pick. We are just splitting hairs as to where on the list he falls.

        Fair enough. I wasn't defending him as being a superstar or anything. But, for a while, he was "serviceable" if disappointing based on draft rank.

        IMO it is safe to say he falls much closer to the worst pick ever made v the best pick ever made, so when you consider the total number of players who would fall on both lists and the in between list, you now gain the context of how I say he is pretty high on the bust list.

        Possibly. It might be entertaining to do an analysis of that.

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        • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

          Cousineau was drafted first overall in the 1979 NFL Draft by the Buffalo Bills, who acquired the pick from the San Francisco 49ers in a trade for O.J. Simpson. Cousineau never played a game with the Bills. He instead signed with the Canadian Football League Montreal Alouettes where they offered double the money that the Bills originally offered. Cousineau became a star there, becoming the Grey Cup Most Valuable Player in the 1979 season. Cousineau wanted to return to the NFL, and in 1982 the Houston Oilers attempted to sign him, but the Bills (who still held Cousineau's NFL rights) matched the offer. He was then traded from the Bills to the Cleveland Browns for a first round draft choice (14th overall) in the 1983 NFL Draft[4]. That pick was used on future Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly. Cousineau signed a five-year contract for 2.5 million dollars, the most ever for a Cleveland Brown player at the time[5].

          During Cousineau's four seasons with the Browns, he led the team in tackles for three seasons and was a two time All-NFL but never made the Pro Bowl in his career. Cousineau signed with the San Francisco 49ers as a free agent after the 1985 season where he played two years as a reserve before retiring in 1987.

          Cousineau finished his NFL career with ten interceptions and 6.5 career sacks and currently stays at home with his wife, Lisa, and two daughters, Kyle and Kacey, and renovates houses.

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          rich4eagleR rich4eagle wrote on last edited by
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          @diehardbrownsfan said:

          Cousineau was drafted first overall in the 1979 NFL Draft by the Buffalo Bills, who acquired the pick from the San Francisco 49ers in a trade for O.J. Simpson. Cousineau never played a game with the Bills. He instead signed with the Canadian Football League Montreal Alouettes where they offered double the money that the Bills originally offered. Cousineau became a star there, becoming the Grey Cup Most Valuable Player in the 1979 season. Cousineau wanted to return to the NFL, and in 1982 the Houston Oilers attempted to sign him, but the Bills (who still held Cousineau's NFL rights) matched the offer. He was then traded from the Bills to the Cleveland Browns for a first round draft choice (14th overall) in the 1983 NFL Draft[4]. That pick was used on future Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly. Cousineau signed a five-year contract for 2.5 million dollars, the most ever for a Cleveland Brown player at the time[5].

          During Cousineau's four seasons with the Browns, he led the team in tackles for three seasons and was a two time All-NFL but never made the Pro Bowl in his career. Cousineau signed with the San Francisco 49ers as a free agent after the 1985 season where he played two years as a reserve before retiring in 1987.

          Cousineau finished his NFL career with ten interceptions and 6.5 career sacks and currently stays at home with his wife, Lisa, and two daughters, Kyle and Kacey, and renovates houses.

          thanks diehard.........that was very good............on the resume of Cousineau.........never lived up to the great hype............OK LB in the NFL

          Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes
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          • rich4eagleR rich4eagle

            @diehardbrownsfan said:

            Cousineau was drafted first overall in the 1979 NFL Draft by the Buffalo Bills, who acquired the pick from the San Francisco 49ers in a trade for O.J. Simpson. Cousineau never played a game with the Bills. He instead signed with the Canadian Football League Montreal Alouettes where they offered double the money that the Bills originally offered. Cousineau became a star there, becoming the Grey Cup Most Valuable Player in the 1979 season. Cousineau wanted to return to the NFL, and in 1982 the Houston Oilers attempted to sign him, but the Bills (who still held Cousineau's NFL rights) matched the offer. He was then traded from the Bills to the Cleveland Browns for a first round draft choice (14th overall) in the 1983 NFL Draft[4]. That pick was used on future Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly. Cousineau signed a five-year contract for 2.5 million dollars, the most ever for a Cleveland Brown player at the time[5].

            During Cousineau's four seasons with the Browns, he led the team in tackles for three seasons and was a two time All-NFL but never made the Pro Bowl in his career. Cousineau signed with the San Francisco 49ers as a free agent after the 1985 season where he played two years as a reserve before retiring in 1987.

            Cousineau finished his NFL career with ten interceptions and 6.5 career sacks and currently stays at home with his wife, Lisa, and two daughters, Kyle and Kacey, and renovates houses.

            thanks diehard.........that was very good............on the resume of Cousineau.........never lived up to the great hype............OK LB in the NFL

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            TheClevelandSoundT TheClevelandSound wrote on last edited by
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            @rich4eagle said:

            thanks diehard.........that was very good............on the resume of Cousineau.........never lived up to the great hype............OK LB in the NFL

            That bio was from wiki

            Predicted Records:2010: 8-82011: 8-82012: 9-72013: 5-112014: 6-10
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              DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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              Never claimed I wrote it. Just a response to your post.

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                ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                No, I don't think so. Go back and check. Few of the guys on that list you gave were #1 overall picks. Really, check it out

                Ahhh.....my bad.

                Funny how being wrong actually strengthens my position.

                If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                • ballpeenB ballpeen
                  No, I don't think so. Go back and check. Few of the guys on that list you gave were #1 overall picks. Really, check it out

                  Ahhh.....my bad.

                  Funny how being wrong actually strengthens my position.

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                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                  @ballpeen said:

                  Ahhh.....my bad.

                  Funny how being wrong actually strengthens my position.

                  Hmm, I don't know. See my survey on Browns #1 picks. Almost no one puts him in the top 10 worst first round draft picks in Browns history so much as NFL history. Perhaps now I will extrapolate the survey to include #1 NFL picks.

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                  • The GipperT The Gipper

                    @ballpeen said:

                    Ahhh.....my bad.

                    Funny how being wrong actually strengthens my position.

                    Hmm, I don't know. See my survey on Browns #1 picks. Almost no one puts him in the top 10 worst first round draft picks in Browns history so much as NFL history. Perhaps now I will extrapolate the survey to include #1 NFL picks.

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                    ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                    @the-gipper said:

                    Hmm, I don't know. See my survey on Browns #1 picks. Almost no one puts him in the top 10 worst first round draft picks in Browns history so much as NFL history. Perhaps now I will extrapolate the survey to include #1 NFL picks.

                    Maybe because he wasn't picked by us???

                    yep...that probably has something to do with it.

                    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                      @the-gipper said:

                      Hmm, I don't know. See my survey on Browns #1 picks. Almost no one puts him in the top 10 worst first round draft picks in Browns history so much as NFL history. Perhaps now I will extrapolate the survey to include #1 NFL picks.

                      Maybe because he wasn't picked by us???

                      yep...that probably has something to do with it.

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                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                      @ballpeen said:

                      Maybe because he wasn't picked by us???

                      yep...that probably has something to do with it.

                      No, no, I included him on that list. I think it just a case of, notwithstanding how much of a disappointment Cousineau was, we have had far too many others who were bigger disappointments.

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