How can one be a fan of both
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Simply this.
One cannot be both a heterosexual AND love the feeling of a mans dick in his butt.
"You've got to serve somebody" -Bob Dylan
WSS
Simply this.
One cannot be both a heterosexual AND love the feeling of a mans dick in his butt.
"You've got to serve somebody" -Bob Dylan
WSS
Oh shit.....tears in my eyes dude
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How about keeping your political bullshit to the political room?
He's not incorrect in that regard and it does fit in to the discussion to a point. Outsourcing is a huge problem and Pittsburgh has sustained the recession because of all the up and coming green technology and the medical industry. Other commodities play a factor as well. Either way if anyone actually took the time to take the colored glasses off I'm sure most would really enjoy the city of Pittsburgh. Most of my friends that are Browns diehards say they are "ashamed to admit" that they really like Pittsburgh after giving it a chance. Do I care if anyone here does? No but seeing as the city is so close you're really doing yourself a disservice but not checking it out in greater detail. A good friend of mine came in to town from Jacksonville. He was born and raised in Strongsville, Ohio. We went down town with my sister and mom. My gf was also with us and we walked for Autism. (My sister is a grad student at Duquense preparing to be a teacher in special education.) Anyway Jason was wearing his Browns hat and a pair of Browns custom Oakley's. He got harassed but it was friendly and we actually ran in to a few Cleveland imports that weren't flying the colors that day.
Either way too each their own.
Rorbotron said:
He's not incorrect in that regard and it does fit in to the discussion to a point. Outsourcing is a huge problem and Pittsburgh has sustained the recession because of all the up and coming green technology and the medical industry. Other commodities play a factor as well. Either way if anyone actually took the time to take the colored glasses off I'm sure most would really enjoy the city of Pittsburgh. Most of my friends that are Browns diehards say they are "ashamed to admit" that they really like Pittsburgh after giving it a chance. Do I care if anyone here does? No but seeing as the city is so close you're really doing yourself a disservice but not checking it out in greater detail. A good friend of mine came in to town from Jacksonville. He was born and raised in Strongsville, Ohio. We went down town with my sister and mom. My gf was also with us and we walked for Autism. (My sister is a grad student at Duquense preparing to be a teacher in special education.) Anyway Jason was wearing his Browns hat and a pair of Browns custom Oakley's. He got harassed but it was friendly and we actually ran in to a few Cleveland imports that weren't flying the colors that day.Either way too each their own.
You forget Cleveland is ALSO noted for it's world class health care and medical facilities. Ever hear of the Cleveland Clinic? Anyway, like I said, I've been to Pittsburgh, and don't mind the city. I just couldn't see myself living there.
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Formerly Stone said:
This is a joke right? Since both of these organizations are dedicated to Northeast Ohio?From the Article:
"A London-based industry analyst group says Cleveland is the most livable city in the country and the 26th best on the planet."
Not Cleveland based
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nmills said:
We've been voted #1 to, everybody gets a turnhttp://www.nortech.org/News/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=39
http://www.balancedlivingmag.com/2006/July...able%20City.htm
The Economist rated Cleveland number one once and it's a reputable source. The others you posted would be like me starting a blog and proclaiming Clinton, Ohio has the sexiest county in the country. Forbes, The Economist and a few others that rate routinely. Pittsburgh has pulled it down twice. Either way it doesn't begin to matter because everyone has their own opinion and if you're happy with where you live that's all that matters.
Rorbotron said:
The Economist rated Cleveland number one once and it's a reputable source. The others you posted would be like me starting a blog and proclaiming Clinton, Ohio has the sexiest county in the country. Forbes, The Economist and a few others that rate routinely. Pittsburgh has pulled it down twice. Either way it doesn't begin to matter because everyone has their own opinion and if you're happy with where you live that's all that matters.Go back in the archives and I think you will find that Forbes has probably named Cleveland one of the best cities to live in as well.
Their job is to sell magazines/advertizing and in an effort to do so create a little controversy.
The area that I follow this more closely is in the College rankings. Forbes is in a contest with US New and World Report on that scope. While some schools will routinely rank in the top, like your Princetons, Harvards, Williams, Amhersts, Stanfords, Dukes etc. they will occasionally throw in a curver by ranking say, Centre College in Kentucky as one of the best 10 schools in America. One of them put a couple of the Ivy League schools outside of the Top 100. That ruffled a few feathers.
So, you see, none of these rankings are set in stone...and one year a town or a school is up, and the other it is down. Kind of like a sports team.
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Rorbotron said:
He's not incorrect in that regard and it does fit in to the discussion to a point. Outsourcing is a huge problem and Pittsburgh has sustained the recession because of all the up and coming green technology and the medical industry. Other commodities play a factor as well. Either way if anyone actually took the time to take the colored glasses off I'm sure most would really enjoy the city of Pittsburgh. Most of my friends that are Browns diehards say they are "ashamed to admit" that they really like Pittsburgh after giving it a chance. Do I care if anyone here does? No but seeing as the city is so close you're really doing yourself a disservice but not checking it out in greater detail. A good friend of mine came in to town from Jacksonville. He was born and raised in Strongsville, Ohio. We went down town with my sister and mom. My gf was also with us and we walked for Autism. (My sister is a grad student at Duquense preparing to be a teacher in special education.) Anyway Jason was wearing his Browns hat and a pair of Browns custom Oakley's. He got harassed but it was friendly and we actually ran in to a few Cleveland imports that weren't flying the colors that day.Either way too each their own.
You forget Cleveland is ALSO noted for it's world class health care and medical facilities. Ever hear of the Cleveland Clinic? Anyway, like I said, I've been to Pittsburgh, and don't mind the city. I just couldn't see myself living there.
You forget Cleveland is ALSO noted for it's world class health care and medical facilities. Ever hear of the Cleveland Clinic? Anyway, like I said, I've been to Pittsburgh, and don't mind the city. I just couldn't see myself living there.
The Cleveland Clinic is a great hospital. Although that wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about medical advancement and medical supplies which Pittsburgh produces. It's one of the major industries in the Pittsburgh area.
And SJ learn how to f.ucking read. You're always thanking people that miss the point. I'm not trying to be a dick to DJ but he did miss the point and you go around blindly thanking people like a dip sh.it.
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Rorbotron said:
The Economist rated Cleveland number one once and it's a reputable source. The others you posted would be like me starting a blog and proclaiming Clinton, Ohio has the sexiest county in the country. Forbes, The Economist and a few others that rate routinely. Pittsburgh has pulled it down twice. Either way it doesn't begin to matter because everyone has their own opinion and if you're happy with where you live that's all that matters.Go back in the archives and I think you will find that Forbes has probably named Cleveland one of the best cities to live in as well.
Their job is to sell magazines/advertizing and in an effort to do so create a little controversy.
The area that I follow this more closely is in the College rankings. Forbes is in a contest with US New and World Report on that scope. While some schools will routinely rank in the top, like your Princetons, Harvards, Williams, Amhersts, Stanfords, Dukes etc. they will occasionally throw in a curver by ranking say, Centre College in Kentucky as one of the best 10 schools in America. One of them put a couple of the Ivy League schools outside of the Top 100. That ruffled a few feathers.
So, you see, none of these rankings are set in stone...and one year a town or a school is up, and the other it is down. Kind of like a sports team.
Go back in the archives and I think you will find that Forbes has probably named Cleveland one of the best cities to live in as well.
Their job is to sell magazines/advertizing and in an effort to do so create a little controversy.
The area that I follow this more closely is in the College rankings. Forbes is in a contest with US New and World Report on that scope. While some schools will routinely rank in the top, like your Princetons, Harvards, Williams, Amhersts, Stanfords, Dukes etc. they will occasionally throw in a curver by ranking say, Centre College in Kentucky as one of the best 10 schools in America. One of them put a couple of the Ivy League schools outside of the Top 100. That ruffled a few feathers.
So, you see, none of these rankings are set in stone...and one year a town or a school is up, and the other it is down. Kind of like a sports team.
Depends on the Sports team. The Pens nor the Steelers are going anywhere near that bottom for a good long while and Pittsburgh has been on the up and up for a while. Remember there are flash in the pans and actual trends. Pittsburgh is following the latter.
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Rorbotron said:
The Economist rated Cleveland number one once and it's a reputable source. The others you posted would be like me starting a blog and proclaiming Clinton, Ohio has the sexiest county in the country. Forbes, The Economist and a few others that rate routinely. Pittsburgh has pulled it down twice. Either way it doesn't begin to matter because everyone has their own opinion and if you're happy with where you live that's all that matters.Thank you! Could Cleveland and NE Ohio be better? ABSOLUTELY! Am I happy for the most part? Yes. My biggest gripe is the weather, which is why I said that I wouldn't move to another cold weather city unless it was Chicago or NYC. Cold is cold, and while some cold weather cities get less snow than Cleveland, it's still cold. Speaking of weather, I really can't complain about this past Spring, and so far Summer. It has been absolutely wonderful. Aside from the fact that football is played in the Fall, the end of May through the end of July is my absolute favorite time of year.
Thank you! Could Cleveland and NE Ohio be better? ABSOLUTELY! Am I happy for the most part? Yes. My biggest gripe is the weather, which is why I said that I wouldn't move to another cold weather city unless it was Chicago or NYC. Cold is cold, and while some cold weather cities get less snow than Cleveland, it's still cold. Speaking of weather, I really can't complain about this past Spring, and so far Summer. It has been absolutely wonderful. Aside from the fact that football is played in the Fall, the end of May through the end of July is my absolute favorite time of year.
That said, I would rather spend a winter in Cleveland than a summer in Miami. Which is why Chris Bosh's refusal to come to Cleveland to play with LeBron is a joke. It says this about him: he is not serious about his work. His main interest was in the "party" atmosphere he would be living in. Working hard at his game and winning was clearly not important enough to him, partying was.
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How about keeping your political bullshit to the political room?
He's not incorrect in that regard and it does fit in to the discussion to a point. Outsourcing is a huge problem and Pittsburgh has sustained the recession because of all the up and coming green technology and the medical industry. Other commodities play a factor as well. Either way if anyone actually took the time to take the colored glasses off I'm sure most would really enjoy the city of Pittsburgh. Most of my friends that are Browns diehards say they are "ashamed to admit" that they really like Pittsburgh after giving it a chance. Do I care if anyone here does? No but seeing as the city is so close you're really doing yourself a disservice but not checking it out in greater detail. A good friend of mine came in to town from Jacksonville. He was born and raised in Strongsville, Ohio. We went down town with my sister and mom. My gf was also with us and we walked for Autism. (My sister is a grad student at Duquense preparing to be a teacher in special education.) Anyway Jason was wearing his Browns hat and a pair of Browns custom Oakley's. He got harassed but it was friendly and we actually ran in to a few Cleveland imports that weren't flying the colors that day.
Either way too each their own.
Rorbotron said:
He's not incorrect in that regard and it does fit in to the discussion to a point. Outsourcing is a huge problem and Pittsburgh has sustained the recession because of all the up and coming green technology and the medical industry. Other commodities play a factor as well. Either way if anyone actually took the time to take the colored glasses off I'm sure most would really enjoy the city of Pittsburgh. Most of my friends that are Browns diehards say they are "ashamed to admit" that they really like Pittsburgh after giving it a chance. Do I care if anyone here does? No but seeing as the city is so close you're really doing yourself a disservice but not checking it out in greater detail. A good friend of mine came in to town from Jacksonville. He was born and raised in Strongsville, Ohio. We went down town with my sister and mom. My gf was also with us and we walked for Autism. (My sister is a grad student at Duquense preparing to be a teacher in special education.) Anyway Jason was wearing his Browns hat and a pair of Browns custom Oakley's. He got harassed but it was friendly and we actually ran in to a few Cleveland imports that weren't flying the colors that day.Either way too each their own.
As soon as you get over being "ashamed to admit you like Cleveland" we will do likewise.
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Simply this.
One cannot be both a heterosexual AND love the feeling of a mans dick in his butt.
"You've got to serve somebody" -Bob Dylan
WSS
Simply this.
One cannot be both a heterosexual AND love the feeling of a mans dick in his butt.
"You've got to serve somebody" -Bob Dylan
WSS
How do you explain yourself then, Dude?
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Formerly Stone said:
London, Ohio?London, England
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Rorbotron said:
He's not incorrect in that regard and it does fit in to the discussion to a point. Outsourcing is a huge problem and Pittsburgh has sustained the recession because of all the up and coming green technology and the medical industry. Other commodities play a factor as well. Either way if anyone actually took the time to take the colored glasses off I'm sure most would really enjoy the city of Pittsburgh. Most of my friends that are Browns diehards say they are "ashamed to admit" that they really like Pittsburgh after giving it a chance. Do I care if anyone here does? No but seeing as the city is so close you're really doing yourself a disservice but not checking it out in greater detail. A good friend of mine came in to town from Jacksonville. He was born and raised in Strongsville, Ohio. We went down town with my sister and mom. My gf was also with us and we walked for Autism. (My sister is a grad student at Duquense preparing to be a teacher in special education.) Anyway Jason was wearing his Browns hat and a pair of Browns custom Oakley's. He got harassed but it was friendly and we actually ran in to a few Cleveland imports that weren't flying the colors that day.Either way too each their own.
As soon as you get over being "ashamed to admit you like Cleveland" we will do likewise.
As soon as you get over being "ashamed to admit you like Cleveland" we will do likewise.
I honestly don't. I like the west side market and playhouse square. Otherwise the city in my opinion is completely forgettable. The flats used to be nice but they quickly went down hill. I'm not sure if there has been a resurgence there or not but the last time I was there the flats were really on the decline.
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Thank you! Could Cleveland and NE Ohio be better? ABSOLUTELY! Am I happy for the most part? Yes. My biggest gripe is the weather, which is why I said that I wouldn't move to another cold weather city unless it was Chicago or NYC. Cold is cold, and while some cold weather cities get less snow than Cleveland, it's still cold. Speaking of weather, I really can't complain about this past Spring, and so far Summer. It has been absolutely wonderful. Aside from the fact that football is played in the Fall, the end of May through the end of July is my absolute favorite time of year.
That said, I would rather spend a winter in Cleveland than a summer in Miami. Which is why Chris Bosh's refusal to come to Cleveland to play with LeBron is a joke. It says this about him: he is not serious about his work. His main interest was in the "party" atmosphere he would be living in. Working hard at his game and winning was clearly not important enough to him, partying was.
That said, I would rather spend a winter in Cleveland than a summer in Miami. Which is why Chris Bosh's refusal to come to Cleveland to play with LeBron is a joke. It says this about him: he is not serious about his work. His main interest was in the "party" atmosphere he would be living in. Working hard at his game and winning was clearly not important enough to him, partying was.
I mostly agree with that you are saying....I wouldn't want to live in Miami anytime, but he won't have to live in Miami during the summer months.
BB players have to live in their teams city during the NBA season, which is mostly the winter months, and Miami might be just a wee bit nicer in February that it is in Cleveland.
I am sure that if he finds the Miami summers warmer than he likes, he probably already has a pretty nice place in Toronto for the hot weather months.
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As soon as you get over being "ashamed to admit you like Cleveland" we will do likewise.
I honestly don't. I like the west side market and playhouse square. Otherwise the city in my opinion is completely forgettable. The flats used to be nice but they quickly went down hill. I'm not sure if there has been a resurgence there or not but the last time I was there the flats were really on the decline.
Rorbotron said:
I honestly don't. I like the west side market and playhouse square. Otherwise the city in my opinion is completely forgettable. The flats used to be nice but they quickly went down hill. I'm not sure if there has been a resurgence there or not but the last time I was there the flats were really on the decline.Yes it's ashame the city of Cleveland let the Flats go to hell. It was a huge draw for not only NE Ohioans, but for folks in the region. I remember in the 90s and even early 00s driving through there and seeing all of the out of town license plates. The Flats has not been restored as of yet, however; the proposal is for a combination of condos, offices, restaurants and bars to be built on the east bank. There hasn't been much movement on the project, however; if they're smart that is where they should put the casino. Furthermore, I would consider a floating casino as well. At any rate we still have The Warehouse District which is going strong, and E 4th as viable entertainment districts. Not the Flats, but definitely not bad. There are also plans for the restoration of the Euclid corridor, in which they have already added a busline and did significant road work. We also have the Rock Hall, and Science Museum as well as a world class orchestra and one of the best arts districts in the country. Add to the mix, Tremont, Little Italy, and places like Chagrin Falls, as well as being about an hour from the NFL HOF and an hour from the greatest amusement park (for thrills) in the country. Yeah, I think we're pretty OK in my book. Sure there are a number of things that I would do better, but nothing is perfect.
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Rorbotron said:
I honestly don't. I like the west side market and playhouse square. Otherwise the city in my opinion is completely forgettable. The flats used to be nice but they quickly went down hill. I'm not sure if there has been a resurgence there or not but the last time I was there the flats were really on the decline.Yes it's ashame the city of Cleveland let the Flats go to hell. It was a huge draw for not only NE Ohioans, but for folks in the region. I remember in the 90s and even early 00s driving through there and seeing all of the out of town license plates. The Flats has not been restored as of yet, however; the proposal is for a combination of condos, offices, restaurants and bars to be built on the east bank. There hasn't been much movement on the project, however; if they're smart that is where they should put the casino. Furthermore, I would consider a floating casino as well. At any rate we still have The Warehouse District which is going strong, and E 4th as viable entertainment districts. Not the Flats, but definitely not bad. There are also plans for the restoration of the Euclid corridor, in which they have already added a busline and did significant road work. We also have the Rock Hall, and Science Museum as well as a world class orchestra and one of the best arts districts in the country. Add to the mix, Tremont, Little Italy, and places like Chagrin Falls, as well as being about an hour from the NFL HOF and an hour from the greatest amusement park (for thrills) in the country. Yeah, I think we're pretty OK in my book. Sure there are a number of things that I would do better, but nothing is perfect.
Yes it's ashame the city of Cleveland let the Flats go to hell. It was a huge draw for not only NE Ohioans, but for folks in the region. I remember in the 90s and even early 00s driving through there and seeing all of the out of town license plates. The Flats has not been restored as of yet, however; the proposal is for a combination of condos, offices, restaurants and bars to be built on the east bank. There hasn't been much movement on the project, however; if they're smart that is where they should put the casino. Furthermore, I would consider a floating casino as well. At any rate we still have The Warehouse District which is going strong, and E 4th as viable entertainment districts. Not the Flats, but definitely not bad. There are also plans for the restoration of the Euclid corridor, in which they have already added a busline and did significant road work. We also have the Rock Hall, and Science Museum as well as a world class orchestra and one of the best arts districts in the country. Add to the mix, Tremont, Little Italy, and places like Chagrin Falls, as well as being about an hour from the NFL HOF and an hour from the greatest amusement park (for thrills) in the country. Yeah, I think we're pretty OK in my book. Sure there are a number of things that I would do better, but nothing is perfect.
Science Museum is awful but Pittsburgh's is also equally boring most of the time. The rock hall is too damn expensive for what it is if you ask me but nice for a one and done type situation. I also wouldn't include the HOF or Cedar Point in the argument for Cleveland but yes both are awesome.
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As soon as you get over being "ashamed to admit you like Cleveland" we will do likewise.
I honestly don't. I like the west side market and playhouse square. Otherwise the city in my opinion is completely forgettable. The flats used to be nice but they quickly went down hill. I'm not sure if there has been a resurgence there or not but the last time I was there the flats were really on the decline.
Rorbotron said:
I honestly don't. I like the west side market and playhouse square. Otherwise the city in my opinion is completely forgettable. The flats used to be nice but they quickly went down hill. I'm not sure if there has been a resurgence there or not but the last time I was there the flats were really on the decline.You are not paying attention. The clubs etc. that used to be in the Flats all moved up the hill to the Warehouse district. In fact they are considerably more upscale there than they were in the Flats.
And if you expect us to believe that you honestly don't like Cleveland all that well, then you need to respect those who say they honestly don't like Pittsburgh all that well.
FYI I have traveled to every city in the country, and there are towns I like that others may not like, and there are towns that it may surprise you that I really don't care for. Let's start with Dallas, then Atlanta, Houston.
If I were to rank the 46 cities in America that are what I call major league cities, there might be a few surprises in those rankings. ( As an avid traveler, I have done a top 10 list. Neither Pittsburgh or Cleveland are in the top 10. They would probably be in the middle).
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Rorbotron said:
I honestly don't. I like the west side market and playhouse square. Otherwise the city in my opinion is completely forgettable. The flats used to be nice but they quickly went down hill. I'm not sure if there has been a resurgence there or not but the last time I was there the flats were really on the decline.You are not paying attention. The clubs etc. that used to be in the Flats all moved up the hill to the Warehouse district. In fact they are considerably more upscale there than they were in the Flats.
And if you expect us to believe that you honestly don't like Cleveland all that well, then you need to respect those who say they honestly don't like Pittsburgh all that well.
FYI I have traveled to every city in the country, and there are towns I like that others may not like, and there are towns that it may surprise you that I really don't care for. Let's start with Dallas, then Atlanta, Houston.
If I were to rank the 46 cities in America that are what I call major league cities, there might be a few surprises in those rankings. ( As an avid traveler, I have done a top 10 list. Neither Pittsburgh or Cleveland are in the top 10. They would probably be in the middle).
You are not paying attention. The clubs etc. that used to be in the Flats all moved up the hill to the Warehouse district. In fact they are considerably more upscale there than they were in the Flats.
And if you expect us to believe that you honestly don't like Cleveland all that well, then you need to respect those who say they honestly don't like Pittsburgh all that well.
FYI I have traveled to every city in the country, and there are towns I like that others may not like, and there are towns that it may surprise you that I really don't care for. Let's start with Dallas, then Atlanta, Houston.
If I were to rank the 46 cities in America that are what I call major league cities, there might be a few surprises in those rankings. ( As an avid traveler, I have done a top 10 list. Neither Pittsburgh or Cleveland are in the top 10. They would probably be in the middle
).I definitely haven't read the entire thread so if I missed the Warehouse District discussion early in the thread I apologize. Otherwise the Warehouse discussion appeared only after I mentioned the poor condition of the flats. I'd also wager that most of the people in this thread have only driven through Pittsburgh and have never taken the time to experience Pittsburgh. Hell I doubt you Mr. Travel has actually taken the time to experience Pittsburgh. Either way it doesn't begin to matter because too each their own.
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Rorbotron said:
Of course you catch sh.it but it's never malicious. I went to college in Ohio and I caught plenty of sh.it but most of the time unless alcohol was involved the exchanges were friendly and funny. I've spent plenty of time in both cities and parts of Cleveland are certainly nice but Pittsburgh was rated the nations most livable city for the second time for a reason. I fully expect everyone here from either base to defend their respective cities. You should be proud of your home town and really thats what it all boils down too. A non-biased opinion gives the nod to Pittsburgh as evidenced by the most livable city nod. All of which doesn't mean Cleveland can't be enjoyed or loved. It's a matter of opinion. It just so happens that Pittsburgh lands on the favorable side more often. Pittsburgh really is a great, great city and it's a shame most of you won't enjoy it because of your hatred for the Steelers. I really like Columbus and Cleveland has it's moments.Of course, those "opinions" about what the most livable cities are change from magazine to magazine, from year to year. Cleveland "won" those polls itself a few years back.
But you are right, both towns are similar, have plenty to offer and enjoy, and a sports rivalry won't keep me from doing so, though I have no intention to go there soon. However, I had thought about it when I learned that there had been a National Heritage Area, administered by the National Park System that was to be set up there. Now, however I learn that the "Rivers of Steel National Heritage" will not be commissioned after all. It seems that the politician or politicians who were proposing it (from PA) have apparently overextended themselves as they also wanted essentially the entire state of PA to be a National Heritage area. They already have the "Oil Region" NHA, and the "Paths of Progress" NHA, and the Delaware-Lehigh Valley NHA, and the Lackawanna Valley NHA, and the Schuykill Valley NHA, and the Potomac NHA, and the Chesapeake Bay NHA, like I said, the entire damn state. Apparently the President and Congress said "that's enough", most other states have maybe one, two, or no NHA's...it is absurd to fund all these requests for Pennsylvania."
So, I will keep my eyes open on that. If it falls, I won't go, but if it succeeds I may check it out.
I have been to every major city in the US and Canada, and there are a lot of other places I have my eyes on, so Pittsburgh is not a high priority to visit...unless this other thing goes through and is implemented.
Here is link on this: http://www.nps.gov/state/PA/
But I can't get the Rivers of Steel link to activate. That may just be my computer, or maybe it has been deleted from the NPS site.
Of course, those "opinions" about what the most livable cities are change from magazine to magazine, from year to year. Cleveland "won" those polls itself a few years back.
But you are right, both towns are similar, have plenty to offer and enjoy, and a sports rivalry won't keep me from doing so, though I have no intention to go there soon. However, I had thought about it when I learned that there had been a National Heritage Area, administered by the National Park System that was to be set up there. Now, however I learn that the "Rivers of Steel National Heritage" will not be commissioned after all. It seems that the politician or politicians who were proposing it (from PA) have apparently overextended themselves as they also wanted essentially the entire state of PA to be a National Heritage area. They already have the "Oil Region" NHA, and the "Paths of Progress" NHA, and the Delaware-Lehigh Valley NHA, and the Lackawanna Valley NHA, and the Schuykill Valley NHA, and the Potomac NHA, and the Chesapeake Bay NHA, like I said, the entire damn state. Apparently the President and Congress said "that's enough", most other states have maybe one, two, or no NHA's...it is absurd to fund all these requests for Pennsylvania."
So, I will keep my eyes open on that. If it falls, I won't go, but if it succeeds I may check it out.
I have been to every major city in the US and Canada, and there are a lot of other places I have my eyes on, so Pittsburgh is not a high priority to visit...unless this other thing goes through and is implemented.
Here is link on this: http://www.nps.gov/state/PA/
But I can't get the Rivers of Steel link to activate. That may just be my computer, or maybe it has been deleted from the NPS site.
Yeah, I've been to a ton of cities as well, and I would agree with you that Cleveland would only rank in my top 10 because they have the Cavs and the Browns. Although back when I was old enough to party and would go to Cleveland, the Flats were a rockin place.
I'd certainly put Baltimore, Austin, and San Diego near the top of my list. Detroit is at the bottom, hands down.
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Yes it's ashame the city of Cleveland let the Flats go to hell. It was a huge draw for not only NE Ohioans, but for folks in the region. I remember in the 90s and even early 00s driving through there and seeing all of the out of town license plates. The Flats has not been restored as of yet, however; the proposal is for a combination of condos, offices, restaurants and bars to be built on the east bank. There hasn't been much movement on the project, however; if they're smart that is where they should put the casino. Furthermore, I would consider a floating casino as well. At any rate we still have The Warehouse District which is going strong, and E 4th as viable entertainment districts. Not the Flats, but definitely not bad. There are also plans for the restoration of the Euclid corridor, in which they have already added a busline and did significant road work. We also have the Rock Hall, and Science Museum as well as a world class orchestra and one of the best arts districts in the country. Add to the mix, Tremont, Little Italy, and places like Chagrin Falls, as well as being about an hour from the NFL HOF and an hour from the greatest amusement park (for thrills) in the country. Yeah, I think we're pretty OK in my book. Sure there are a number of things that I would do better, but nothing is perfect.
Science Museum is awful but Pittsburgh's is also equally boring most of the time. The rock hall is too damn expensive for what it is if you ask me but nice for a one and done type situation. I also wouldn't include the HOF or Cedar Point in the argument for Cleveland but yes both are awesome.
Rorbotron said:
Science Museum is awful but Pittsburgh's is also equally boring most of the time. The rock hall is too damn expensive for what it is if you ask me but nice for a one and done type situation. I also wouldn't include the HOF or Cedar Point in the argument for Cleveland but yes both are awesome.I do include them in the argument, because of their proximity. I actually didn't mind the Science Museum. I will tell you that the Rock Hall needs to be marketed better, and more geared toward having the induction ceremonies in Cleveland every year as opposed to every couple years. Now, we all know that the Cleveland schools are crap, however; a lot what goes into the fixing the schools has to start at home.
Bottomline, this city and region has a lot hardworking people, a lot of resources and a lot of potential. We as a region instead of pissing and moaning need to do what it takes to turn it around. With the economy being bad EVERYWHERE, this is a good time to capitalize and reinvent ourselves. Projects like the Medical Mart the casino, and the restoration of the Flats can go a long way in helping.
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That said, I would rather spend a winter in Cleveland than a summer in Miami. Which is why Chris Bosh's refusal to come to Cleveland to play with LeBron is a joke. It says this about him: he is not serious about his work. His main interest was in the "party" atmosphere he would be living in. Working hard at his game and winning was clearly not important enough to him, partying was.
I mostly agree with that you are saying....I wouldn't want to live in Miami anytime, but he won't have to live in Miami during the summer months.
BB players have to live in their teams city during the NBA season, which is mostly the winter months, and Miami might be just a wee bit nicer in February that it is in Cleveland.
I am sure that if he finds the Miami summers warmer than he likes, he probably already has a pretty nice place in Toronto for the hot weather months.
I mostly agree with that you are saying....I wouldn't want to live in Miami anytime, but he won't have to live in Miami during the summer months.
BB players have to live in their teams city during the NBA season, which is mostly the winter months, and Miami might be just a wee bit nicer in February that it is in Cleveland.
I am sure that if he finds the Miami summers warmer than he likes, he probably already has a pretty nice place in Toronto for the hot weather months.
OK, but what I am saying is that he has apparently put the considerations of "where is it nice to be in the winter" above the considerations of "where can I go play with the best player on the planet". Not only that, but I understand that he actually leaves money on the table by not doing the sign and trade here. To me, those are both indices that "partying" in what he perceives to be comfort is of utmost importance to him, not playing basketball.
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Formerly Stone said:
The flats is currently 90% ghetto....the best part is that one of my clients booked the Goodtime III for a dinner cruise.........In their infinite wisdom, the Goodtime III cruised the flats..........."smell the rotting garbage, see the falling down buildings, try to decipher the graffiti, maybe witness a mugging!" .........typical Cleveland!Ignorance is as ignorance does. When did you take that cruise? 1957?
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