Sources: Browns eye Schottenheimer for 2009
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@inspecta said:
Sigh....Which do you think is quicker? Getting some other newbie coach to play learning curve for the next 4-5 seasons or a proven winner, that has turned around every franchise he's gotten a hold of.
Let marty coach for a couple years, and during that time let the team come together know what it's like to win, and then give it to an up and comer when a mentality of winning has already been established.
Exactly what I've been saying since BEFORE we hired Romeo.
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I find it funny that it was commented that Marty is an a-hole coach as if it was a BAD thing.
Do you want to know who else is considered an A-hole coach? Take a look at the SB Champs!!! Yup. A-hole coaches WIN!!!
I was looking at the record of Marty posted earlier. Did you notice there was ONLY 2 SEASONS BELOW .500???? That is simply an amazing stat.
65...wow. That is too old? Are you kidding me? Vermeil coached to 70. George Halas and Marv Levy both coached to 72.
Records after 65:
Vermeil 44-36
Halas 54-39-5 NFL Champions at 68
But Marv Levy is really the one to look at for post 65 records:
Year Age Tm Lg G W L T W-L% G plyf W plyf L plyf W-L% Rank Notes 1990 65 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 13 3 0 .813 3 2 1 .667 1 AFC Champions 1991 66 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 13 3 0 .813 3 2 1 .667 1 AFC Champions 1992 67 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 4 3 1 .750 1 AFC Champions 1993 68 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 12 4 0 .750 3 2 1 .667 1 AFC Champions 1994 69 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 7 9 0 .438 4 1995 70 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 10 6 0 .625 2 1 1 .500 1 1996 71 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 10 6 0 .625 1 0 1 .000 2 1997 72 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 6 10 0 .375 4
That's right, 82-46 and 4 AFC Championships (i.e. SB appearances)
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Can anyone tell me why RAC is not fired yet ? Unless RAC wants to substitute for Shaun rogers as a NT when SR needs some breathing time ...
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If Marty is going to keep Chud the Dud, then, it's a bad move. That is, unless Chud was not in control, and the stupid stuff was forced on him, like
not playing HARRISON, playing DA despite his atrocious performances until the season was pretty much lost, and running on first down, most of the time, especially when the defense is stacked against it because they KNEW the Browns would run on first down again.
And, keeping Shaffer as a starter. He should be third string, or gone.
And, Savage hasn't fixed the RT position all this time, but instead, relyed on Tucker being there.
Not too smart after Tuckers' troubles last season.
Looks to me, like Chud's system has developed into a convoluted jumble in the players' minds. I see snap count mistakes, wr's still ? not running
the right? routes ? (or was that DA just losing his grip on a job he shouldn't have - starting qb behind a team that has a pitifully weak right tackle?
The players look so confused and frustrated, they have lost their aggressiveness. Or ... something ?
How many freakin times do ya have to watch defenders run around Shaffer like Shaffer's lead feet are glued to the turf?
How many times then, when Shaffer tries to move his feet, defenders laugh, and simply knock Shaffer back into the qb?
Although, I admit I was wrong about Shaffer in the last game, He didn't get his qb killed. But his qb got hit so hard, I'm shocked he
was NOT injured. At least, as far as we know yet...
But the other thing is, the really pitiful lack of aggression of the defense.
And, special teams don't seem to block anymore on returns. What's up with that?
This entire coaching staff needs an intelligent, aggressive and experienced breath of fresh air.
Right now, I am pleading with Crennel to resign and leave, before his demoralized team is down
by three or four scores, and he goes for another field goal.
Was Crennel afraid of being late for supper, so that's why he didn't even have the fire
to throw that challenge flag?
It's one thing to lose, but it's extremely aggravating to see the way your team is being coached makes no sense.
There needs to be at least three major trades on this team for draft choices.
and...dammit.
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We should call this season of Browns as "Ugly Betty" and hopefully next season will be "Desperate Brownknives"
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We should call this season of Browns as "Ugly Betty" and hopefully next season will be "Desperate Brownknives"
We should call this season of Browns as "Ugly Betty" and hopefully next season will be "Desperate Brownknives"
Cowher is still my first choice...
Marty is a great second choice.
The OC is going to have to go... Play calling has been an absolute atrocity.
I'm not sure about Savage... I think he has done a good job in getting talent here... But if he has to go to get Cowher or Marty here... So be it... PS can get a job doing something else...
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I still dont understand why everyone wants Cowher, he really wasnt that good of a coach, the only reason everyone wants him is because he has won a superbowl and he is a local icon. The fact of the matter is, he played for the browns, but is coached the Steelers to winning a superbowl. We dont need that, he is a steeler now and always will be, GARBAGE!
Marty has a far better record and more consistency in respect to making the playoffs, plus do you really want to have him take total control of our team and turn it into something boring? We have a very capable squad that lives off big play potential and Cowher just isnt that type of coach.
Plus, Cowher has already stated that if he were to coach for the browns, it would be disrespectful to the Rooneys, which is why its not gonna happen.
Lastly, is that the message we really want to send? That we need the steelers leftovers to win? xxxx no. Im sorry but this really pisses me off!
Marty 09 baby!
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I still dont understand why everyone wants Cowher, he really wasnt that good of a coach, the only reason everyone wants him is because he has won a superbowl and he is a local icon. The fact of the matter is, he played for the browns, but is coached the Steelers to winning a superbowl. We dont need that, he is a steeler now and always will be, GARBAGE!
Marty has a far better record and more consistency in respect to making the playoffs, plus do you really want to have him take total control of our team and turn it into something boring? We have a very capable squad that lives off big play potential and Cowher just isnt that type of coach.
Plus, Cowher has already stated that if he were to coach for the browns, it would be disrespectful to the Rooneys, which is why its not gonna happen.
Lastly, is that the message we really want to send? That we need the steelers leftovers to win? xxxx no. Im sorry but this really pisses me off!
Marty 09 baby!
I still dont understand why everyone wants Cowher, he really wasnt that good of a coach, the only reason everyone wants him is because he has won a superbowl and he is a local icon. The fact of the matter is, he played for the browns, but is coached the Steelers to winning a superbowl. We dont need that, he is a steeler now and always will be, GARBAGE!
Marty has a far better record and more consistency in respect to making the playoffs, plus do you really want to have him take total control of our team and turn it into something boring? We have a very capable squad that lives off big play potential and Cowher just isnt that type of coach.
Plus, Cowher has already stated that if he were to coach for the browns, it would be disrespectful to the Rooneys, which is why its not gonna happen.
Lastly, is that the message we really want to send? That we need the steelers leftovers to win? xxxx no. Im sorry but this really pisses me off!
Marty 09 baby!
Your disdain of Cowher is misguided. However, I do believe that Marty will be a better fit for the Stains. He's hungry after being unjustifiably dismissed in San Diego. He has a proven track record of success...he's a winner everywhere he's coached. His teams always battled, they just had the breaks go against them...how hard are the Stains battling?
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Regardless of what people think about Cowher. For the most part, his teams always played hard and put a good product on the field. The one thing we want to see in Cleveland is a good product. Were not going to win a superbowl 3 out of 5 years, at least not now... But at least give us a team that has the balls to go out and play hard and perform. We don't see that..
That is what Cowher will give you... When you don't perform you get the "chin of doom"... and by god you better play harder next week...
What do the browns get now for poor play... The "gut of doom"... not really... It's more like, come here sit on daddy's lap and let me hold you like a baby... RAC is more like a grandaddy to the team than he is a coach...
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How Many Teams has Cowher done that with ?
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