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  • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
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    @king-ghoolie-lives said:

    This isn't the old Ghoolie patting himself on the back for predicting Harrison would be fined, but instead being happy that the NFL did the right thing.

    Some players truly are dominating players. When they accomplish this through superior physical skills and determination, then like it or not, we have to respect it. Harrison however is just an average player who makes his way with dirty hits.

    Mark my words, sooner or later, he's gonna get his. These NFL players are all tough fuggers capable of doing damage.

    You know, I actually happen to agree with this somewhat. The reservation I have is that I think Harrison does quite well in Dick LeBeau's system. There have been a number of players who have played in that system but when they left the Steelers they were otherwise mediocre. Harrison does well in that system, and the "dirtiness" is really superfluous for him..

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      I think the refs should face punishments to for not throwing the flags. You know damn well we would have ben flagged sure as shit

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      @medicineman said:

      I think the refs should face punishments to for not throwing the flags. You know damn well we would have ben flagged sure as shit

      They do face punishments.

      They are graded every week. If you and your crew aren't doing a good job, no post season assignments with some big "bonus" checks and perks.

      If you grade low enough, there are a lot of good college refs seeking NFL positions ready to take your spot.

      If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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        harrison an average player? since when? Nfl defensive player of the year, 2 time super bowl champ, universally acknowledged as one of the premier players in the league, outside of cleveland of course. Cleveland hasn't produced a player of his caliber since jim brown. All that region could do was hurl racial slurs at him when he grew up there in high school.

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        @chessgoon said:

        harrison an average player? since when? Nfl defensive player of the year, 2 time super bowl champ, universally acknowledged as one of the premier players in the league, outside of cleveland of course. Cleveland hasn't produced a player of his caliber since jim brown. All that region could do was hurl racial slurs at him when he grew up there in high school.

        Oh, don't be stupid. First, the guy went to HS only about 2 miles from where I sit. I could walk there from here if I wanted. If he was being thrown racial slurs it was by all the other African-Americans saying "N____ this or N_____that" just the way they do. There were plenty of other blacks at that school and in the surrounding area.

        As for what he would be, like I said before, I think he is a system LB. He does well in that system. LeBeau makes him good. The test would be how he would perform elsewhere.

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          Whats 75 grand to somebody who makes millions? And IF the refs didn't have their heads up the Rooneys ass and threw the flag for the 15 yard penalty it could have changed the course of the game. Fuk shitburgh there fans and players

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          @medicineman said:

          Whats 75 grand to somebody who makes millions? And IF the refs didn't have their heads up the Rooneys ass and threw the flag for the 15 yard penalty it could have changed the course of the game. Fuk shitburgh there fans and players

          Stop whining. Stop pretending the 2005 divisional round playoff game was even close to coreectly called.

          I love when Browns fans whine and cry after a big loss. They are just making it worse on themselves.

          "Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6
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            @medicineman said:

            Whats 75 grand to somebody who makes millions? And IF the refs didn't have their heads up the Rooneys ass and threw the flag for the 15 yard penalty it could have changed the course of the game. Fuk shitburgh there fans and players

            Stop whining. Stop pretending the 2005 divisional round playoff game was even close to coreectly called.

            I love when Browns fans whine and cry after a big loss. They are just making it worse on themselves.

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            I love when Browns fans whine and cry after a big loss. They are just making it worse on themselves.

            yeah, our team has the biggest goon on it along side a guy that is known for preying on women/girls who are drunk. we're crying. i'd be upset if i were you because your goon and sexual predator has shone the national spotlight on your team and city, and everyone now can see both for what they are................DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY.

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

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              "If it's an illegal hit under the rules, then you're going to be held accountable. We get the pushback all the time that, 'What's a defender to do?' Well, we, in these situations, have to say the defender has to adjust his target area. The player has to wrap up. He has to do the things more fundamentally that we used to do ... when we used to tackle back in the day. We would like them to do more of that. But with the seriousness of the head and neck trauma and concussions generally, we've got a responsibility to just make sure that players understand and adapt."

              What? 😆

              So the moron wants to go back to those days, LMAO

              So lets forget about trying to injure players, lets try to kill them. Anderson is an idiot.

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                @spunkonmyback-dpoy said:

                I love when Browns fans whine and cry after a big loss. They are just making it worse on themselves.

                yeah, our team has the biggest goon on it along side a guy that is known for preying on women/girls who are drunk. we're crying. i'd be upset if i were you because your goon and sexual predator has shone the national spotlight on your team and city, and everyone now can see both for what they are................DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY.

                HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

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                @miktoxic said:

                yeah, our team has the biggest goon on it along side a guy that is known for preying on women/girls who are drunk. we're crying. i'd be upset if i were you because your goon and sexual predator has shone the national spotlight on your team and city, and everyone now can see both for what they are................DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY.

                HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

                The Cardinals Darnell Docket believes Harrison's hit was a good, clean hit. Docket watched on the sideline as Harrison returned a 99 yard interception for a TD vs his team in the Super Bowl.

                "Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6
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                  @miktoxic said:

                  yeah, our team has the biggest goon on it along side a guy that is known for preying on women/girls who are drunk. we're crying. i'd be upset if i were you because your goon and sexual predator has shone the national spotlight on your team and city, and everyone now can see both for what they are................DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY.

                  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

                  The Cardinals Darnell Docket believes Harrison's hit was a good, clean hit. Docket watched on the sideline as Harrison returned a 99 yard interception for a TD vs his team in the Super Bowl.

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                  @spunkonmyback-dpoy said:

                  The Cardinals Darnell Docket believes Harrison's hit was a good, clean hit. Docket watched on the sideline as Harrison returned a 99 yard interception for a TD vs his team in the Super Bowl.

                  wha, wha, what????? that was your reply?

                  chirp. chirp. chirp. (crickets)

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                    @spunkonmyback-dpoy said:

                    The Cardinals Darnell Docket believes Harrison's hit was a good, clean hit. Docket watched on the sideline as Harrison returned a 99 yard interception for a TD vs his team in the Super Bowl.

                    wha, wha, what????? that was your reply?

                    chirp. chirp. chirp. (crickets)

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                    S Spunkonmyback DPOY wrote on last edited by Spunkonmyback DPOY
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                    @miktoxic said:

                    wha, wha, what????? that was your reply?

                    chirp. chirp. chirp. (crickets)

                    So you don't care that NFL players (players who if anything would have biased against Harrison) believe these fines/suspensions threats are BS and Harrison is getting fined for playing football.

                    As you just made very evident, you have absolutley nothing to say against Docket defedning Harrison. Docket has NOTHING to gain by defending Harrison. If anything he opens himself up to potential fines. He obviously felt strongly enough to voice his opinion and risk his own wallet to defend Harrison. And you have nothing of substance or meaning to respond to what he did.

                    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/495796-...ball-in-the-nfl

                    Maybe you care that Hillis has to say:

                    Browns running back Peyton Hillis was quoted as saying, "They were vicious hits, no doubt about it. But you can’t blame the guy. That’s the name of the game. You just have to roll with the punches.”

                    I think the fact that Hillis is 1) a Browns player defending Harrison's hit and 2) an offensive player criticizing Goodell softening up defenses speaks volumes to how ALL the players in the NFL feel. Not just a select few hard htting defenders.

                    "Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6
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                      @miktoxic said:

                      wha, wha, what????? that was your reply?

                      chirp. chirp. chirp. (crickets)

                      So you don't care that NFL players (players who if anything would have biased against Harrison) believe these fines/suspensions threats are BS and Harrison is getting fined for playing football.

                      As you just made very evident, you have absolutley nothing to say against Docket defedning Harrison. Docket has NOTHING to gain by defending Harrison. If anything he opens himself up to potential fines. He obviously felt strongly enough to voice his opinion and risk his own wallet to defend Harrison. And you have nothing of substance or meaning to respond to what he did.

                      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/495796-...ball-in-the-nfl

                      Maybe you care that Hillis has to say:

                      Browns running back Peyton Hillis was quoted as saying, "They were vicious hits, no doubt about it. But you can’t blame the guy. That’s the name of the game. You just have to roll with the punches.”

                      I think the fact that Hillis is 1) a Browns player defending Harrison's hit and 2) an offensive player criticizing Goodell softening up defenses speaks volumes to how ALL the players in the NFL feel. Not just a select few hard htting defenders.

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                      @spunkonmyback-dpoy said:

                      So you don't care that NFL players (players who if anything would have biased against Harrison) believe these fines/suspensions threats are BS and Harrison is getting fined for playing football.

                      As you just made very evident, you have absolutley nothing to say against Docket defedning Harrison. Docket has NOTHING to gain by defending Harrison. If anything he opens himself up to potential fines. He obviously felt strongly enough to voice his opinion and risk his own wallet to defend Harrison. And you have nothing of substance or meaning to respond to what he did.

                      Ive seen Tedy Brusci talk multiple times today on how its BS that these players end up leading with their helmets trying to blow guys up. His argument is that "World Class Athletes" such as Harrison are conditioned and trained well enough to be able to alter their paths when going after these receivers. You can't tell me that the former Defensive Player of the Year and "best defender in the league" as proclaimed by some of you is incapable and not skilled enough to alter his target on some of these hits.

                      Even on bang-bang plays they have time to turn slightly and throw their shoulder instead of their helmet, or wrap a guy up easily (because he's "defenseless" and not paying attention) I've also seen many other players say that this needs to be done such as Rodney Harrison and a couple others I can't recall. These hits are already illegal, they're just enforcing them much stricter on a case-by-case basis.

                      I also hate the "It's football! Take off your dress because its all about HITTING AND CONTACT!". Well then lets screw all of the rules that promote safety... to hell with roughing the passer, fair catches, crack-backs, albert haynesworth stepping on peoples faces, crushing a punter who is basically doing the splits with no padding.

                      Times change, safety is important to keep these guys alive... get over it.

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                        @spunkonmyback-dpoy said:

                        So you don't care that NFL players (players who if anything would have biased against Harrison) believe these fines/suspensions threats are BS and Harrison is getting fined for playing football.

                        As you just made very evident, you have absolutley nothing to say against Docket defedning Harrison. Docket has NOTHING to gain by defending Harrison. If anything he opens himself up to potential fines. He obviously felt strongly enough to voice his opinion and risk his own wallet to defend Harrison. And you have nothing of substance or meaning to respond to what he did.

                        Ive seen Tedy Brusci talk multiple times today on how its BS that these players end up leading with their helmets trying to blow guys up. His argument is that "World Class Athletes" such as Harrison are conditioned and trained well enough to be able to alter their paths when going after these receivers. You can't tell me that the former Defensive Player of the Year and "best defender in the league" as proclaimed by some of you is incapable and not skilled enough to alter his target on some of these hits.

                        Even on bang-bang plays they have time to turn slightly and throw their shoulder instead of their helmet, or wrap a guy up easily (because he's "defenseless" and not paying attention) I've also seen many other players say that this needs to be done such as Rodney Harrison and a couple others I can't recall. These hits are already illegal, they're just enforcing them much stricter on a case-by-case basis.

                        I also hate the "It's football! Take off your dress because its all about HITTING AND CONTACT!". Well then lets screw all of the rules that promote safety... to hell with roughing the passer, fair catches, crack-backs, albert haynesworth stepping on peoples faces, crushing a punter who is basically doing the splits with no padding.

                        Times change, safety is important to keep these guys alive... get over it.

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                        @cribbswalker said:

                        Ive seen Tedy Brusci talk multiple times today on how its BS that these players end up leading with their helmets trying to blow guys up. His argument is that "World Class Athletes" such as Harrison are conditioned and trained well enough to be able to alter their paths when going after these receivers. You can't tell me that the former Defensive Player of the Year and "best defender in the league" as proclaimed by some of you is incapable and not skilled enough to alter his target on some of these hits.

                        Even on bang-bang plays they have time to turn slightly and throw their shoulder instead of their helmet, or wrap a guy up easily (because he's "defenseless" and not paying attention) I've also seen many other players say that this needs to be done such as Rodney Harrison and a couple others I can't recall. These hits are already illegal, they're just enforcing them much stricter on a case-by-case basis.

                        I also hate the "It's football! Take off your dress because its all about HITTING AND CONTACT!". Well then lets screw all of the rules that promote safety... to hell with roughing the passer, fair catches, crack-backs, albert haynesworth stepping on peoples faces, crushing a punter who is basically doing the splits with no padding.

                        Times change, safety is important to keep these guys alive... get over it.

                        Physics only go so far. Hillis is quoted as saying it's just part of football and it happens. "They were vicious hits, no doubt about it. But you can’t blame the guy. That’s the name of the game. You just have to roll with the punches. ”There is a difference between intentionally leading with your helmet and helmet-to-helmet contact just happening.

                        Should the NFL make a rule banning running backs from lowering their head to hit defenders? If defenders can't hit with their helmet how is it any safer for running backs to do it?

                        "Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6
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                          @spunkonmyback-dpoy said:

                          So you don't care that NFL players (players who if anything would have biased against Harrison) believe these fines/suspensions threats are BS and Harrison is getting fined for playing football.

                          As you just made very evident, you have absolutley nothing to say against Docket defedning Harrison. Docket has NOTHING to gain by defending Harrison. If anything he opens himself up to potential fines. He obviously felt strongly enough to voice his opinion and risk his own wallet to defend Harrison. And you have nothing of substance or meaning to respond to what he did.

                          Ive seen Tedy Brusci talk multiple times today on how its BS that these players end up leading with their helmets trying to blow guys up. His argument is that "World Class Athletes" such as Harrison are conditioned and trained well enough to be able to alter their paths when going after these receivers. You can't tell me that the former Defensive Player of the Year and "best defender in the league" as proclaimed by some of you is incapable and not skilled enough to alter his target on some of these hits.

                          Even on bang-bang plays they have time to turn slightly and throw their shoulder instead of their helmet, or wrap a guy up easily (because he's "defenseless" and not paying attention) I've also seen many other players say that this needs to be done such as Rodney Harrison and a couple others I can't recall. These hits are already illegal, they're just enforcing them much stricter on a case-by-case basis.

                          I also hate the "It's football! Take off your dress because its all about HITTING AND CONTACT!". Well then lets screw all of the rules that promote safety... to hell with roughing the passer, fair catches, crack-backs, albert haynesworth stepping on peoples faces, crushing a punter who is basically doing the splits with no padding.

                          Times change, safety is important to keep these guys alive... get over it.

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                          @cribbswalker said:

                          Ive seen Tedy Brusci talk multiple times today on how its BS that these players end up leading with their helmets trying to blow guys up. His argument is that "World Class Athletes" such as Harrison are conditioned and trained well enough to be able to alter their paths when going after these receivers. You can't tell me that the former Defensive Player of the Year and "best defender in the league" as proclaimed by some of you is incapable and not skilled enough to alter his target on some of these hits.

                          Even on bang-bang plays they have time to turn slightly and throw their shoulder instead of their helmet, or wrap a guy up easily (because he's "defenseless" and not paying attention) I've also seen many other players say that this needs to be done such as Rodney Harrison and a couple others I can't recall. These hits are already illegal, they're just enforcing them much stricter on a case-by-case basis.

                          I also hate the "It's football! Take off your dress because its all about HITTING AND CONTACT!". Well then lets screw all of the rules that promote safety... to hell with roughing the passer, fair catches, crack-backs, albert haynesworth stepping on peoples faces, crushing a punter who is basically doing the splits with no padding.

                          Times change, safety is important to keep these guys alive... get over it.

                          Agreed.

                          This is not about taking big hits out of the game. They will still happen. "Bang-bang" plays while unfortunate, will still happen. This is about taking big hits against DEFENSELESS players out of the game. On a running play there will be helmet to helmet on any of the linemen and the running back and tacklers. None of those guys are defenseless. Massaquoi was defenseless and he was hit in the head. It doesn't matter what you lead with. Hit to neck or head + defenseless receiver = penalty. It's that simple. Apparently this simple explanation is still lost on Steeler fans.

                          London Fletcher had a great hit on a defenseless Joseph Addai. No penalty called because he didn't lead with his helmet and he hit him in the lower chest.

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                            Call it crying if you like. But the two plays (ward , shiply. harrison, momass ) had major differences. The ward play was a bang bang play and there was a flag thrown. On the harrison hit he clearly launched himself ( left his feet) Leading with his forearms and helmet and no flag was thrown. No one but a homer could deny that.

                            What no one is talking about it the reaction of Harrison afterwards. As soon as he struck MoMass he got up and acted like he had just saved the world. arrogant.

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                            What no one is talking about it the reaction of Harrison afterwards. As soon as he struck MoMass he got up and acted like he had just saved the world. arrogant.

                            Oh my God. A defender celebrated a big hit. Unprecedented.......

                            "Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6
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                              @cribbswalker said:

                              Ive seen Tedy Brusci talk multiple times today on how its BS that these players end up leading with their helmets trying to blow guys up. His argument is that "World Class Athletes" such as Harrison are conditioned and trained well enough to be able to alter their paths when going after these receivers. You can't tell me that the former Defensive Player of the Year and "best defender in the league" as proclaimed by some of you is incapable and not skilled enough to alter his target on some of these hits.

                              Even on bang-bang plays they have time to turn slightly and throw their shoulder instead of their helmet, or wrap a guy up easily (because he's "defenseless" and not paying attention) I've also seen many other players say that this needs to be done such as Rodney Harrison and a couple others I can't recall. These hits are already illegal, they're just enforcing them much stricter on a case-by-case basis.

                              I also hate the "It's football! Take off your dress because its all about HITTING AND CONTACT!". Well then lets screw all of the rules that promote safety... to hell with roughing the passer, fair catches, crack-backs, albert haynesworth stepping on peoples faces, crushing a punter who is basically doing the splits with no padding.

                              Times change, safety is important to keep these guys alive... get over it.

                              Physics only go so far. Hillis is quoted as saying it's just part of football and it happens. "They were vicious hits, no doubt about it. But you can’t blame the guy. That’s the name of the game. You just have to roll with the punches. ”There is a difference between intentionally leading with your helmet and helmet-to-helmet contact just happening.

                              Should the NFL make a rule banning running backs from lowering their head to hit defenders? If defenders can't hit with their helmet how is it any safer for running backs to do it?

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                              @spunkonmyback-dpoy said:

                              Physics only go so far. Hillis is quoted as saying it's just part of football and it happens. "They were vicious hits, no doubt about it. But you can’t blame the guy. That’s the name of the game. You just have to roll with the punches. ”There is a difference between intentionally leading with your helmet and helmet-to-helmet contact just happening.

                              Should the NFL make a rule banning running backs from lowering their head to hit defenders? If defenders can't hit with their helmet how is it any safer for running backs to do it?

                              And Ben Watson said it was horrible and Harrison should be fined the "maximum penalty" for a ridiculous hit... I don't care what my own teams players are saying when trying to make my mind up about something. I love my girlfriend but when she says "video games are stupid" I don't say "oh, I like her... so it must be true".

                              Runningbacks lowering their heads is a completely different creature... there's one guy with the ball and all the defenders know where he is and when he's closing in. When the back nears them they can brace and prepare to tackle him. When you HAVE the ball, there are 5 LBs/Safeties ready to blast you at any moment in the middle of the field and you can't know where they all are and can be blindsided, especially if you're a receiver with your concentration on a ball in the air.

                              Physics can only take you so far? These linebackers have been playing for YEARS and a lot of the time most of their lives, they can make adjustments to take down a guy without raising up to give their chin a helmet-uppercut.

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                                @theclevelandsound said:

                                What no one is talking about it the reaction of Harrison afterwards. As soon as he struck MoMass he got up and acted like he had just saved the world. arrogant.

                                Oh my God. A defender celebrated a big hit. Unprecedented.......

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                                @spunkonmyback-dpoy said:

                                Oh my God. A defender celebrated a big hit. Unprecedented.......

                                While the guy he hit lay on the ground injured.....might not be unprecedented but no less a completely shit move by a guy $75,000 lighter in the wallet.

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                                  @spunkonmyback-dpoy said:

                                  Oh my God. A defender celebrated a big hit. Unprecedented.......

                                  While the guy he hit lay on the ground injured.....might not be unprecedented but no less a completely shit move by a guy $75,000 lighter in the wallet.

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                                  While the guy he hit lay on the ground injured.....might not be unprecedented but no less a completely shit move by a guy $75,000 lighter in the wallet.

                                  If he celebrated "As soon as he struck MoMass" (just asTheClevelandSound said) he would have not known he was injured......My dog is smarter than you.

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                                    it's about leaving your feet and launching yourself as a projectile. half of these guys don't even know how to tackle, they just know how to hit. you see it in college all the time now. instead of trying the tackle the guy they throw themselves at the player trying to dislodge the ball or blow someone up. my friends and i comment on it all the time because half the time it's unsuccessful and the guy bounces off the guy with the ball and he runs for a touchdown. "why didn't he wrap the guy up and tackle him!" we scream. half of it is coaching and half of it is the defensive guy wanting to make the highlights by knocking someone out and being billy badass for a day. i heard someone mention that the league will start fining the organizations along with the individual offenders. good. and they should pass it along to the D coordinator and he should pass it on to the position coaches if they continue to coach this.

                                    don't give me the old "THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TAUGHT ALL OUR LIVES" bullshit either. these hits were few and far in between while i was growing up. most players knew how to TACKLE and did so. sure there were some goons. how do think tatum felt paralizing stingley for the rest of his life? i gues with harrison's mentality he would laugh.

                                    if you are not smart enough to relearn it the right way then get the F out the league.

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                                      harrison an average player? since when? Nfl defensive player of the year, 2 time super bowl champ, universally acknowledged as one of the premier players in the league, outside of cleveland of course. Cleveland hasn't produced a player of his caliber since jim brown. All that region could do was hurl racial slurs at him when he grew up there in high school.

                                      Oh, don't be stupid. First, the guy went to HS only about 2 miles from where I sit. I could walk there from here if I wanted. If he was being thrown racial slurs it was by all the other African-Americans saying "N____ this or N_____that" just the way they do. There were plenty of other blacks at that school and in the surrounding area.

                                      As for what he would be, like I said before, I think he is a system LB. He does well in that system. LeBeau makes him good. The test would be how he would perform elsewhere.

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                                      Oh, don't be stupid. First, the guy went to HS only about 2 miles from where I sit. I could walk there from here if I wanted. If he was being thrown racial slurs it was by all the other African-Americans saying "N____ this or N_____that" just the way they do. There were plenty of other blacks at that school and in the surrounding area.

                                      As for what he would be, like I said before, I think he is a system LB. He does well in that system. LeBeau makes him good. The test would be how he would perform elsewhere

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                                      Enough with the system bs. What makes a outside linebacker successful? Speed, power, drive, football smarts. You can't teach any of those things. Implying he wouldn't do what he's doing outside of the Steeler organization is laughably short sighted and bias. You hate the Steelers, I get it and so do a lot of fan bases. Joey Porter did just fine in Miami and Pittsburgh pays the guys worth keeping and let's the other guys walk. Porter was cut loose because of Harrison. You'll never know how the top tier defenders on our defense will do in another system while they are in their prime because we pay to keep them around. When they take a walk it's either because they've lost a step or we have a better replacement.

                                      Defensive player of the year is "average" and a "system LB" one of the funniest things I've read all year, seriously. I spit out my Dr. Pepper.

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                                        it's about leaving your feet and launching yourself as a projectile. half of these guys don't even know how to tackle, they just know how to hit. you see it in college all the time now. instead of trying the tackle the guy they throw themselves at the player trying to dislodge the ball or blow someone up. my friends and i comment on it all the time because half the time it's unsuccessful and the guy bounces off the guy with the ball and he runs for a touchdown. "why didn't he wrap the guy up and tackle him!" we scream. half of it is coaching and half of it is the defensive guy wanting to make the highlights by knocking someone out and being billy badass for a day. i heard someone mention that the league will start fining the organizations along with the individual offenders. good. and they should pass it along to the D coordinator and he should pass it on to the position coaches if they continue to coach this.

                                        don't give me the old "THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TAUGHT ALL OUR LIVES" bullshit either. these hits were few and far in between while i was growing up. most players knew how to TACKLE and did so. sure there were some goons. how do think tatum felt paralizing stingley for the rest of his life? i gues with harrison's mentality he would laugh.

                                        if you are not smart enough to relearn it the right way then get the F out the league.

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                                        @miktoxic said:

                                        it's about leaving your feet and launching yourself as a projectile. half of these guys don't even know how to tackle, they just know how to hit. you see it in college all the time now. instead of trying the tackle the guy they throw themselves at the player trying to dislodge the ball or blow someone up. my friends and i comment on it all the time because half the time it's unsuccessful and the guy bounces off the guy with the ball and he runs for a touchdown. "why didn't he wrap the guy up and tackle him!" we scream. half of it is coaching and half of it is the defensive guy wanting to make the highlights by knocking someone out and being billy badass for a day. i heard someone mention that the league will start fining the organizations along with the individual offenders. good. and they should pass it along to the D coordinator and he should pass it on to the position coaches if they continue to coach this.

                                        don't give me the old "THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TAUGHT ALL OUR LIVES" bullshit either. these hits were few and far in between while i was growing up. most players knew how to TACKLE and did so. sure there were some goons. how do think tatum felt paralizing stingley for the rest of his life? i gues with harrison's mentality he would laugh.

                                        if you are not smart enough to relearn it the right way then get the F out the league.

                                        That should be and is completely illegal. No one is questioning why those hits are banned. It the fact that Goodell is fining and wants to suspend players for hits that will simply always be a part of tackle football that people are made about.

                                        "Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6
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                                          rich4eagleR rich4eagle wrote on last edited by
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                                          Lets play ball guys and make the hits instead of receiving the hits................

                                          It is about winning not whining

                                          otherwise, I got it figured let's rename the Dawg Pound the Pussy Pound

                                          until we stop threads like this with oodles of whining ...............

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