Wouldn't Gruden be an upgrade?
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I don't think it's all that onerous to switch defensive schemes - many of the exiting players in a 3-4 can still play in a 4-3 - and we all know they're not even "complete" right now in the 3-4
So its a question of rebuilding around the 3-4 or the rebuilding around the 4-3...
If that's the best argument Mangini or his supporters can make for keeping him around, it's a pretty lame one and I don't think Holmgren would let that stop him from making an upgrade.
It's really just a question of whether Holmgren thinks Gruden would be an upgrade over what could very well be a 1-6 team at the bye... Holmgren, most media talking heads - and an awful lot of fans - would feel he's justified in making a change at the bye in that situation.
If it doesn't happen then but Holmgren is seriously considering a change, he may already know that this team could be 1-14 going into Week 17... and if Mangini should be able to pull a rabit out of his hat and get a win against the Steelers, the massive outpouring of support to keep Mangini and his 2-15 season record for another go round will be pretty significant.
A lot of fans can't quite seem to see the forest through the trees - without his one win against the Steelers last year and the fan support that it brought, I think Gruden might be the head coach as we speak - and I think that would have been a good thing. (I guess for the Browns, sometimes even when we win, we lose! We kept Mangini, and lost out at a shot to grab Bradford or Suh!)
I love how guys get registered and lead with "fire the coach". Love it.
I love how guys get registered and lead with "fire the coach". Love it.
Longtime lurker... who can't believe how complacent and "whipped" his fellow Browns fans have become... Mangini = Mediocrity and I'm tired of it... if everyone else feels good about being a mediocre team they're welcome to it, but I felt this Board was growing pretty stale with just a small handful of fans who seem to care enough to post and I finally decided to sign up
Gruden sucks. Mangenius all the way. Go away troll.
Yes... I understand anyone who doesn't support the current head coach must be considered a "troll" - I've seen it here a few times already...
I'm sure that if Mangini is fired and Gruden is hired many fans will do a 180 degree change to the sentiment you express noting that [current coach] is great and [all other coaches] suck and anyone who doesn't agree is a troll.
That's one of the things that worries me about Browns fans these days.
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I'm not understanding some of these replies. One person disagrees and the accusations of 'troll' as well as suspicions fall in line. That's sad.
And I'm neither here nor there, but really, someone suggesting a coaching change after a team's 1-6 start for consecutive seasons only to be villainized is illogical.
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I love Gruden's commentary on MNF but why is everyone so in love with him as a coach?
He inherited Dungy's team, won the Superbowl, then the Bucs went downhill from there.
Why do you think he's going to suddenly come here and turn us around when he couldn't stop the Bucs from dropping back into mediocrity?
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In many ways jon gruden would be a huge upgrade to mangini, but in most cases in the nfl unlike player talent which often (but not always) gets displaced by better talent, the owner/GM's generally do not just fire a coach because one that is available is better than the one you have now, its more a matter of confidence and belief in a coaches program and his ability to resolve issues and the only reasons an owner or GM would upgrade is if they either do not like the program/progress of a coach and or disagree with the direction in general or other problems like the coach has problems he cant overcome with players and such etc...
In my mind mangini is definitely running out of time, and i should clarify he isnt running out of time from losing games but more from the way he loses games by "sticking to the plan" which is often way to conservative with to much pre-game emphasis on things that dont really matter and not enough on what does, which is winning with what you have as opposed to not winning with what you have because you fail to utilize everything you have and then fail to create opportunities within your offense, its linear, its lazy, its rather generic and predictable and i would almost bet my left testy that our upper management feels similar...
Mangini needs to get a new OC and let that guy do his job without the hindrances of his kiddie practice schemes, why do we just run primarily inside the tackles and not use speed outside? Why do we never use screens? Why do we not rotate WRs to make a mismatch or confuse the defense? Why do we have no flexibility or versatility?
The why's and why nots go on and on with mangini and dabs and holmgren has to be really scratching his head if not beating it against a table upstairs...
And by the way gruden has indicated he may be ready to coach again soon...
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In many ways jon gruden would be a huge upgrade to mangini, but in most cases in the nfl unlike player talent which often (but not always) gets displaced by better talent, the owner/GM's generally do not just fire a coach because one that is available is better than the one you have now, its more a matter of confidence and belief in a coaches program and his ability to resolve issues and the only reasons an owner or GM would upgrade is if they either do not like the program/progress of a coach and or disagree with the direction in general or other problems like the coach has problems he cant overcome with players and such etc...
In my mind mangini is definitely running out of time, and i should clarify he isnt running out of time from losing games but more from the way he loses games by "sticking to the plan" which is often way to conservative with to much pre-game emphasis on things that dont really matter and not enough on what does, which is winning with what you have as opposed to not winning with what you have because you fail to utilize everything you have and then fail to create opportunities within your offense, its linear, its lazy, its rather generic and predictable and i would almost bet my left testy that our upper management feels similar...
Mangini needs to get a new OC and let that guy do his job without the hindrances of his kiddie practice schemes, why do we just run primarily inside the tackles and not use speed outside? Why do we never use screens? Why do we not rotate WRs to make a mismatch or confuse the defense? Why do we have no flexibility or versatility?
The why's and why nots go on and on with mangini and dabs and holmgren has to be really scratching his head if not beating it against a table upstairs...
And by the way gruden has indicated he may be ready to coach again soon...
In many ways jon gruden would be a huge upgrade to mangini, but in most cases in the nfl unlike player talent the owner/GM's does not just fire a coach because one that is available is better than the one you have now, its more a matter of confidence and belief in a coaches program and his ability to resolve issues and the only reasons an owner or GM would upgrade is if they either do not like the program/progress of a coach and or disagree with the direction in general or other problems like the coach has problems he cant overcome with players and such etc...
In my mind mangini is definitely running out of time, and i should clarify he isnt running out of time from losing games but more from the way he loses games by "sticking to the plan" with to much pre-game emphasis on things that dont really matter and not enough on what does, which is winning with what you have as opposed to not winning with what you have because you fail to utilize what you have or create opportunities within your offense, its linear, its lazy, its rather generic and predictable and i would bet my left testy that our upper management feels similar...
Mangini needs to get a new OC and let that guy do his job without the hindrances of his kiddie practice schemes, why do we just run primarily inside the tackles and not use speed outside? Why do we never use screens? Why do we not rotate WRs to make a mismatch or confuse the defense?
It goes on and on with mangini and dabs and holmgren has to be really scratching his head if not beating it against a table upstairs...
And by the way gruden has indicated he may be ready to coach again soon...
Fair enough, and good post. A few things:
1. I'm not sure about the OP, but my stance hasn't been 'drop Mangini for Gruden because he's a better coach', but rather drop Mangini because the team has not progressed the way we would have liked and it just so happens a much better coach is in the helms. The offense has been lacking in it's schemes as well as coverage packages on D. Mangini can't spot an audible and hasn't been fundamentally sound in the advanced kinetics of football. I applaud him for getting back to the basics, but at some point we just have to realize he's just not that good. I don't dislike him, but I am not satisfied with 'always next year' contention everyone is so apt with. He's not the right coach for this team. If it's another coach, thats fine, I personally want Cowher, but if we can get someone with the extensive knowledge of the game like Gruden, i'd be all for it as well.
2. I understand how the system works with the president and how they branch to the co-ordinators, but I also question they're ability to spot a not. The OC is horrible and there's no real challenge for the defenses, which the problem may lie.
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In many ways jon gruden would be a huge upgrade to mangini, but in most cases in the nfl unlike player talent the owner/GM's does not just fire a coach because one that is available is better than the one you have now, its more a matter of confidence and belief in a coaches program and his ability to resolve issues and the only reasons an owner or GM would upgrade is if they either do not like the program/progress of a coach and or disagree with the direction in general or other problems like the coach has problems he cant overcome with players and such etc...
In my mind mangini is definitely running out of time, and i should clarify he isnt running out of time from losing games but more from the way he loses games by "sticking to the plan" with to much pre-game emphasis on things that dont really matter and not enough on what does, which is winning with what you have as opposed to not winning with what you have because you fail to utilize what you have or create opportunities within your offense, its linear, its lazy, its rather generic and predictable and i would bet my left testy that our upper management feels similar...
Mangini needs to get a new OC and let that guy do his job without the hindrances of his kiddie practice schemes, why do we just run primarily inside the tackles and not use speed outside? Why do we never use screens? Why do we not rotate WRs to make a mismatch or confuse the defense?
It goes on and on with mangini and dabs and holmgren has to be really scratching his head if not beating it against a table upstairs...
And by the way gruden has indicated he may be ready to coach again soon...
Fair enough, and good post. A few things:
1. I'm not sure about the OP, but my stance hasn't been 'drop Mangini for Gruden because he's a better coach', but rather drop Mangini because the team has not progressed the way we would have liked and it just so happens a much better coach is in the helms. The offense has been lacking in it's schemes as well as coverage packages on D. Mangini can't spot an audible and hasn't been fundamentally sound in the advanced kinetics of football. I applaud him for getting back to the basics, but at some point we just have to realize he's just not that good. I don't dislike him, but I am not satisfied with 'always next year' contention everyone is so apt with. He's not the right coach for this team. If it's another coach, thats fine, I personally want Cowher, but if we can get someone with the extensive knowledge of the game like Gruden, i'd be all for it as well.
2. I understand how the system works with the president and how they branch to the co-ordinators, but I also question they're ability to spot a not. The OC is horrible and there's no real challenge for the defenses, which the problem may lie.
Fair enough, and good post. A few things:
1. I'm not sure about the OP, but my stance hasn't been 'drop Mangini for Gruden because he's a better coach', but rather drop Mangini because the team has not progressed the way we would have liked and it just so happens a much better coach is in the helms. The offense has been lacking in it's schemes as well as coverage packages on D. Mangini can't spot an audible and hasn't been fundamentally sound in the advanced kinetics of football. I applaud him for getting back to the basics, but at some point we just have to realize he's just not that good. I don't dislike him, but I am not satisfied with 'always next year' contention everyone is so apt with. He's not the right coach for this team. If it's another coach, thats fine, I personally want Cowher, but if we can get someone with the extensive knowledge of the game like Gruden, i'd be all for it as well.
2. I understand how the system works with the president and how they branch to the co-ordinators, but I also question they're ability to spot a not. The OC is horrible and there's no real challenge for the defenses, which the problem may lie.
"Advanced kinetics of football"?? Please explain. The defense needs new coverage packages? Is there some new kind of defense that we don't know about? How about when you call man under 2 deep the guys actually cover? How about when you call the will backer through the B gap....he actually gets to the QB?
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whatever makes the cleveland hating media and espn happy....er wait that is espn
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Fair enough, and good post. A few things:
1. I'm not sure about the OP, but my stance hasn't been 'drop Mangini for Gruden because he's a better coach', but rather drop Mangini because the team has not progressed the way we would have liked and it just so happens a much better coach is in the helms. The offense has been lacking in it's schemes as well as coverage packages on D. Mangini can't spot an audible and hasn't been fundamentally sound in the advanced kinetics of football. I applaud him for getting back to the basics, but at some point we just have to realize he's just not that good. I don't dislike him, but I am not satisfied with 'always next year' contention everyone is so apt with. He's not the right coach for this team. If it's another coach, thats fine, I personally want Cowher, but if we can get someone with the extensive knowledge of the game like Gruden, i'd be all for it as well.
2. I understand how the system works with the president and how they branch to the co-ordinators, but I also question they're ability to spot a not. The OC is horrible and there's no real challenge for the defenses, which the problem may lie.
"Advanced kinetics of football"?? Please explain. The defense needs new coverage packages? Is there some new kind of defense that we don't know about? How about when you call man under 2 deep the guys actually cover? How about when you call the will backer through the B gap....he actually gets to the QB?
"Advanced kinetics of football"?? Please explain. The defense needs new coverage packages? Is there some new kind of defense that we don't know about? How about when you call man under 2 deep the guys actually cover? How about when you call the will backer through the B gap....he actually gets to the QB?
Mangini has done a good job 'taming' this team and keeping them from going up and over their feet; however, he lacks what the truly great coaches have: ingenuity. Now, we can't all possibly assume every coach would have schemes on both sides of the ball like, say Belichick, but I wouldn't put it past him to have learned a thing or two during his tenure with him. I'm not certain if it's just the player IQs or coaching, but the team's abilities to pick up the extra man are lacking all while being broken down at the point of attack. The defense has been average, and the offense has been below average.
And BTW, you've completely missed the point of my previous post in regards to the kinetics of football. I was simply alluding to the decrepit nature in which Mangini is playing at and that his days are numbered. I'm not quite sure if my points flew right past you or you chose to ignore them.
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I think people are misinterpreting the post. I don't believe Mangini is bad coach, but I also don't believe he's the right coach.
Simply put.
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In many ways jon gruden would be a huge upgrade to mangini, but in most cases in the nfl unlike player talent the owner/GM's does not just fire a coach because one that is available is better than the one you have now, its more a matter of confidence and belief in a coaches program and his ability to resolve issues and the only reasons an owner or GM would upgrade is if they either do not like the program/progress of a coach and or disagree with the direction in general or other problems like the coach has problems he cant overcome with players and such etc...
In my mind mangini is definitely running out of time, and i should clarify he isnt running out of time from losing games but more from the way he loses games by "sticking to the plan" with to much pre-game emphasis on things that dont really matter and not enough on what does, which is winning with what you have as opposed to not winning with what you have because you fail to utilize what you have or create opportunities within your offense, its linear, its lazy, its rather generic and predictable and i would bet my left testy that our upper management feels similar...
Mangini needs to get a new OC and let that guy do his job without the hindrances of his kiddie practice schemes, why do we just run primarily inside the tackles and not use speed outside? Why do we never use screens? Why do we not rotate WRs to make a mismatch or confuse the defense?
It goes on and on with mangini and dabs and holmgren has to be really scratching his head if not beating it against a table upstairs...
And by the way gruden has indicated he may be ready to coach again soon...
Fair enough, and good post. A few things:
1. I'm not sure about the OP, but my stance hasn't been 'drop Mangini for Gruden because he's a better coach', but rather drop Mangini because the team has not progressed the way we would have liked and it just so happens a much better coach is in the helms. The offense has been lacking in it's schemes as well as coverage packages on D. Mangini can't spot an audible and hasn't been fundamentally sound in the advanced kinetics of football. I applaud him for getting back to the basics, but at some point we just have to realize he's just not that good. I don't dislike him, but I am not satisfied with 'always next year' contention everyone is so apt with. He's not the right coach for this team. If it's another coach, thats fine, I personally want Cowher, but if we can get someone with the extensive knowledge of the game like Gruden, i'd be all for it as well.
2. I understand how the system works with the president and how they branch to the co-ordinators, but I also question they're ability to spot a not. The OC is horrible and there's no real challenge for the defenses, which the problem may lie.
Fair enough, and good post. A few things:
1. I'm not sure about the OP, but my stance hasn't been 'drop Mangini for Gruden because he's a better coach', but rather drop Mangini because the team has not progressed the way we would have liked and it just so happens a much better coach is in the helms. The offense has been lacking in it's schemes as well as coverage packages on D. Mangini can't spot an audible and hasn't been fundamentally sound in the advanced kinetics of football. I applaud him for getting back to the basics, but at some point we just have to realize he's just not that good. I don't dislike him, but I am not satisfied with 'always next year' contention everyone is so apt with. He's not the right coach for this team. If it's another coach, thats fine, I personally want Cowher, but if we can get someone with the extensive knowledge of the game like Gruden, i'd be all for it as well.
2. I understand how the system works with the president and how they branch to the co-ordinators, but I also question they're ability to spot a not. The OC is horrible and there's no real challenge for the defenses, which the problem may lie.
The team hasn't progressed the way YOU would like. I suspect you measure progress solely by wins. I've seen lots of progress on the team and within the organization. There's a general feeling of stability and order that I like and hope to see continue. I don't think we need to throw anyone out just yet, especially not Mangini.
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"Advanced kinetics of football"?? Please explain. The defense needs new coverage packages? Is there some new kind of defense that we don't know about? How about when you call man under 2 deep the guys actually cover? How about when you call the will backer through the B gap....he actually gets to the QB?
Mangini has done a good job 'taming' this team and keeping them from going up and over their feet; however, he lacks what the truly great coaches have: ingenuity. Now, we can't all possibly assume every coach would have schemes on both sides of the ball like, say Belichick, but I wouldn't put it past him to have learned a thing or two during his tenure with him. I'm not certain if it's just the player IQs or coaching, but the team's abilities to pick up the extra man are lacking all while being broken down at the point of attack. The defense has been average, and the offense has been below average.
And BTW, you've completely missed the point of my previous post in regards to the kinetics of football. I was simply alluding to the decrepit nature in which Mangini is playing at and that his days are numbered. I'm not quite sure if my points flew right past you or you chose to ignore them.
Mangini has done a good job 'taming' this team and keeping them from going up and over their feet; however, he lacks what the truly great coaches have: ingenuity. Now, we can't all possibly assume every coach would have schemes on both sides of the ball like, say Belichick, but I wouldn't put it past him to have learned a thing or two during his tenure with him. I'm not certain if it's just the player IQs or coaching, but the team's abilities to pick up the extra man are lacking all while being broken down at the point of attack. The defense has been average, and the offense has been below average.
And BTW, you've completely missed the point of my previous post in regards to the kinetics of football. I was simply alluding to the decrepit nature in which Mangini is playing at and that his days are numbered. I'm not quite sure if my points flew right past you or you chose to ignore them.
No need to be rude. You're decidedly vague in your explanations, hence the questions.
If you're not sure if it's player IQ or coaching then how can you say it's the coaching?
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"Advanced kinetics of football"?? Please explain. The defense needs new coverage packages? Is there some new kind of defense that we don't know about? How about when you call man under 2 deep the guys actually cover? How about when you call the will backer through the B gap....he actually gets to the QB?
Mangini has done a good job 'taming' this team and keeping them from going up and over their feet; however, he lacks what the truly great coaches have: ingenuity. Now, we can't all possibly assume every coach would have schemes on both sides of the ball like, say Belichick, but I wouldn't put it past him to have learned a thing or two during his tenure with him. I'm not certain if it's just the player IQs or coaching, but the team's abilities to pick up the extra man are lacking all while being broken down at the point of attack. The defense has been average, and the offense has been below average.
And BTW, you've completely missed the point of my previous post in regards to the kinetics of football. I was simply alluding to the decrepit nature in which Mangini is playing at and that his days are numbered. I'm not quite sure if my points flew right past you or you chose to ignore them.
Mangini has done a good job 'taming' this team and keeping them from going up and over their feet; however, he lacks what the truly great coaches have: ingenuity. Now, we can't all possibly assume every coach would have schemes on both sides of the ball like, say Belichick, but I wouldn't put it past him to have learned a thing or two during his tenure with him. I'm not certain if it's just the player IQs or coaching, but the team's abilities to pick up the extra man are lacking all while being broken down at the point of attack. The defense has been average, and the offense has been below average.
And BTW, you've completely missed the point of my previous post in regards to the kinetics of football. I was simply alluding to the decrepit nature in which Mangini is playing at and that his days are numbered. I'm not quite sure if my points flew right past you or you chose to ignore them.
You do remember that Belichick was the Browns' coach don't you? Everyone called for HIS head on a daily basis. Our team has improved as the quality of players has improved. There are still some holes to be filled with better talent. If Mangini were working with a full deck and our season looked like this, I'd be griping. IMO, he's done a lot with a little and is moving the ship slowly but surely in the right direction.
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Mangini has done a good job 'taming' this team and keeping them from going up and over their feet; however, he lacks what the truly great coaches have: ingenuity. Now, we can't all possibly assume every coach would have schemes on both sides of the ball like, say Belichick, but I wouldn't put it past him to have learned a thing or two during his tenure with him. I'm not certain if it's just the player IQs or coaching, but the team's abilities to pick up the extra man are lacking all while being broken down at the point of attack. The defense has been average, and the offense has been below average.
And BTW, you've completely missed the point of my previous post in regards to the kinetics of football. I was simply alluding to the decrepit nature in which Mangini is playing at and that his days are numbered. I'm not quite sure if my points flew right past you or you chose to ignore them.
No need to be rude. You're decidedly vague in your explanations, hence the questions.
If you're not sure if it's player IQ or coaching then how can you say it's the coaching?
No need to be rude. You're decidedly vague in your explanations, hence the questions.
If you're not sure if it's player IQ or coaching then how can you say it's the coaching?
I apologize if I seemed brash, I sincerely did believe you didn't understand what I was talking about so I reiterated.
And one thing I do admire about Mangini is how hard he has this team playing despite the level of talent, or lack thereof.
But when these losses pile up, the excuses people make for Mangini need to stop as his clock is ticking. Somewhere in this mix, Mangini needs to be held accountable. Surely, we can agree on that.
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No need to be rude. You're decidedly vague in your explanations, hence the questions.
If you're not sure if it's player IQ or coaching then how can you say it's the coaching?
I apologize if I seemed brash, I sincerely did believe you didn't understand what I was talking about so I reiterated.
And one thing I do admire about Mangini is how hard he has this team playing despite the level of talent, or lack thereof.
But when these losses pile up, the excuses people make for Mangini need to stop as his clock is ticking. Somewhere in this mix, Mangini needs to be held accountable. Surely, we can agree on that.
I apologize if I seemed brash, I sincerely did believe you didn't understand what I was talking about so I reiterated.
And one thing I do admire about Mangini is how hard he has this team playing despite the level of talent, or lack thereof.
But when these losses pile up, the excuses people make for Mangini need to stop as his clock is ticking. Somewhere in this mix, Mangini needs to be held accountable. Surely, we can agree on that.
But you just said it right there the level of talent on this team is the problem, you cant polish a turd. No coaching change will fix that. Now the fact is this team is playing one of the hardest if not the hardest schedule in the league this season, and that I feel has more to do with the losses then anything. If we had a weaker schedule says the chiefs we would be better off.
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I apologize if I seemed brash, I sincerely did believe you didn't understand what I was talking about so I reiterated.
And one thing I do admire about Mangini is how hard he has this team playing despite the level of talent, or lack thereof.
But when these losses pile up, the excuses people make for Mangini need to stop as his clock is ticking. Somewhere in this mix, Mangini needs to be held accountable. Surely, we can agree on that.
But you just said it right there the level of talent on this team is the problem, you cant polish a turd. No coaching change will fix that. Now the fact is this team is playing one of the hardest if not the hardest schedule in the league this season, and that I feel has more to do with the losses then anything. If we had a weaker schedule says the chiefs we would be better off.
Dawgfanforever88 said:
But you just said it right there the level of talent on this team is the problem, you cant polish a turd. No coaching change will fix that. Now the fact is this team is playing one of the hardest if not the hardest schedule in the league this season, and that I feel has more to do with the losses then anything. If we had a weaker schedule says the chiefs we would be better off.For the record, one can still not be dealt with all the cards and STILL be responsible for performance.
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
But you just said it right there the level of talent on this team is the problem, you cant polish a turd. No coaching change will fix that. Now the fact is this team is playing one of the hardest if not the hardest schedule in the league this season, and that I feel has more to do with the losses then anything. If we had a weaker schedule says the chiefs we would be better off.For the record, one can still not be dealt with all the cards and STILL be responsible for performance.
For the record, one can still not be dealt with all the cards and STILL be responsible for performance.
Like Gruden and Dungy in Tampa bay?
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For the record, one can still not be dealt with all the cards and STILL be responsible for performance.
Like Gruden and Dungy in Tampa bay?
Dawgfanforever88 said:
Like Gruden and Dungy in Tampa bay?Clever.
And what happened? They got fired.
I'm not quite sure what you were trying to impose.
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
Like Gruden and Dungy in Tampa bay?Clever.
And what happened? They got fired.
I'm not quite sure what you were trying to impose.
Clever.
And what happened? They got fired.
I'm not quite sure what you were trying to impose.
That the talent level on the team got Gruden fired. Like I said No coach could do any better. Even the legendary coaches had trouble when there teams lacked talent. Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi all started out with wins in the single digits.
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Clever.
And what happened? They got fired.
I'm not quite sure what you were trying to impose.
That the talent level on the team got Gruden fired. Like I said No coach could do any better. Even the legendary coaches had trouble when there teams lacked talent. Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi all started out with wins in the single digits.
Dawgfanforever88 said:
That the talent level on the team got Gruden fired. Like I said No coach could do any better. Even the legendary coaches had trouble when there teams lacked talent. Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi all started out with wins in the single digits.Yes, but at times, you HAVE to pull the plug on a project when it seems long and behold, there's no substantial improvement.
Think business: an employee enters the position promising to make strides in an effort to boost revenue/gain clients etc. After year 1, the boss looks over the evaluation report and realizes that person A has not done all too well with the options ang resources at his disposal. Does he fire him? He could, but he chooses not to and gives person A the benefit of the doubt in hopes that the last quarter's sales were a sign of the future. 2nd fiscal year comes around and he realizes that despite the chance, no significant improvement has been made and the momentum riding from the year before has become stale. What do you do now? Let him ride the door to mediocrity or bring in another reliable employee who has the experience and ingenuity to turn it around?
I'm not saying we do it for sure ATM, but if the Browns end up with a top 5 pick this year, it's pretty obvious that Mangini needs a change of scenery. And surely, going by your logic, if the Browns underachieve by the end of the year again, shouldn't the Browns fire Mangini with the likes of the other all-time greats, no?
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