Joe Freakin' Haden
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i'm very happy with joes progress, but let's not put him in the pro bowl yet. he got beat on his interception. he just got lucky that henne under threw it.
i'm very happy with joes progress, but let's not put him in the pro bowl yet. he got beat on his interception. he just got lucky that henne under threw it.
He did get lucky that Henne played poorly but he was able to recover and make a play when it was presented to him.
That was the difference between him and the Miami corner who was gift-wrapped a pick six by Delhomme in the final minutes and dropped it.
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I disagree that Haden got lucky on his interception. Sure, it appeared he was beat just because Hartline had a few steps on him. But, in order for Henne to hit Hartline in full stride it would have needed to be a 60 yard pass atleast.
Haden bit on Hartline's fake because he didn't believe Henne could hit Hartline in full stride. He dared Henne to have to make an all-world type throw, and Henne couldn't make it. It was a gamble, but a smart and savvy one IMO.
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i'm very happy with joes progress, but let's not put him in the pro bowl yet. he got beat on his interception. he just got lucky that henne under threw it.
He did get lucky that Henne played poorly but he was able to recover and make a play when it was presented to him.
That was the difference between him and the Miami corner who was gift-wrapped a pick six by Delhomme in the final minutes and dropped it.
He did get lucky that Henne played poorly but he was able to recover and make a play when it was presented to him.
That was the difference between him and the Miami corner who was gift-wrapped a pick six by Delhomme in the final minutes and dropped it.
Yeah, talk about bad hands! Jake should have yelled to him "Sorry, I didn't mean to hit you in the hands!" ... That guy must have felt like a DICK after the game.
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I still think it's a bad pick, with Clausen and Bryant still on the board how do you draft a CB top 10. He better be the best CB in the NFL to go that high
....Maybe he is, Bryant sure would be nice though.I still think it's a bad pick, with Clausen and Bryant still on the board how do you draft a CB top 10. He better be the best CB in the NFL to go that high
....Maybe he is, Bryant sure would be nice though.I know you are just saying this tongue in cheek about Clausen... and half-serious about Bryant... but Bryant just blew out his ankle and who knows how he will recover.
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Oh, and hurry back Colt McCoy.
I agree, however Jake did play pretty decent today and we got our 2nd straight win out of him. Oh, and JOE FREAKIN' HADEN!
I agree, however Jake did play pretty decent today and we got our 2nd straight win out of him. Oh, and JOE FREAKIN' HADEN!
We didn't win because of Jake. We won in spite of Jake.
I do like how he is including Robo, though. But I've never seen a QB take so long to throw to a checkdown receiver. The only exception is Roethlisberger, and at least he's shrugging off tackles and extending plays. Jake just sits in the pocket and waits. And waits. And waits. And waits. And throws to Hillis.
Is it because our receivers can't get seperation? Probably. Is it because the playcalling is predictable and bland? Maybe. Is it because we lack a legitimate deep threat? Of course.
At least with Colt, the defense had to respect his scrambling ability. Which helped the receivers out.
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Man, I just looked at the stats, Haden is tied for 4th in the NFL with 5 picks, and he 3 starts under his belt, and tied with fellow rookie Devin McCourty for first in the AFC. McCourty has started all 11 games this year. Third in the NFL in passes defended and first in the AFC. It isnt like he has a ton of tackles either, which shows he isnt necessarily being targeted.
Good work Joe Haden.
Is it bad that I am greedy and want Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara to pair with him? I want AJ Green but that would be a nasty CB combo for years to come.
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I think it would be wonderful if we had Peterson.
I am not saying that is the direction we should go....simply saying 2 great corners puts a big hurt on other teams.
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How does Rob Ryan not start Joe Haden over Eric Wright earlier in the season and not only that, how about when Wright was getting torched in Baltimore and we never rotated Haden in? Never even gave Haden the nod after that game either.
Haden probably is the best defensive player we have had in Cleveland in the past decade, and he is playing only because of an injury. eek!
When Colt is healthy, he needs to be re-inserted over Jake 'Wright'.
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Maybe because Eric Wright knew the defense inside and out, and Joe Freakin Haden came from a very different system ?
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Got to watch him in person... and he had a spectacular game. He's really growing on me. By far our best cover guy already.
We need WRs really bad. When you have a #1 corner but no #1 WR, you don't draft a corner in the top half of the first round.
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Got to watch him in person... and he had a spectacular game. He's really growing on me. By far our best cover guy already.
We need WRs really bad. When you have a #1 corner but no #1 WR, you don't draft a corner in the top half of the first round.
Got to watch him in person... and he had a spectacular game. He's really growing on me. By far our best cover guy already.
We need WRs really bad. When you have a #1 corner but no #1 WR, you don't draft a corner in the top half of the first round.
Well, we have a #1 corner now.
And I was happy as a clam when the Browns took Joe with that pick. The BPA at the biggest position of need. Barring Al Davis' craziness of drafting punters and kickers in the first round, if you can get Pro Bowl talent at ANY position in the first round, you've done well. Dez was an attitude risk, and now he's out for the year with a wrecked foot. OK, I'm with you that we need a true #1 wr badly. But I think you can agree- without Joe in the lineup, the Browns would have lost to the Dolphins. You need those stud CBs to cover those stud WRs. Might be a bit early, but are we seeing the second coming of Frank Minnifield with Joe?
However, I can't see taking another CB in the first round next year as some have posited- it's AJ Green if he's there, or Julio Jones if he's not. Actually, I wouldn't mind Nick Fairley, but he'll be long gone by the time the Browns draft 12-15 or so.
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I never thought Haden wasn't good. I'm just not huge on taking a corner that high. Devin McCourty is playing great, too.
But we picked him and he's good and I'm happy.
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Haden was the ONLY player I wanted with that 7th pick, & when you look at the value our two top picks in this past draft brought to us in Haden & Ward, I'll take 'em over any other team's top two picks, with the possible exception of Seattle & Detroit (keeping in mind their top 2 picks were all 1st rounders).
I would really like to see how many missed tackles Haden has had...I'm bettin' it's very low. He is SOLID!
Mike
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5116370
That has probably been posted before but I think its needs back up here again.
The reason Joe Haden was drafted as High as he was is because once he gets accustomed to the pro game he will cover any receiver you set him on like a glove. Taking an entire side of the field away from the opposing O does wonders for your pass rush and D in general.
The ravens v steelers game showed that to win in this division you have to have the badass defence there is no if, ands, or buts about it.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5116370
That has probably been posted before but I think its needs back up here again.
The reason Joe Haden was drafted as High as he was is because once he gets accustomed to the pro game he will cover any receiver you set him on like a glove. Taking an entire side of the field away from the opposing O does wonders for your pass rush and D in general.
The ravens v steelers game showed that to win in this division you have to have the badass defence there is no if, ands, or buts about it.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5116370
That has probably been posted before but I think its needs back up here again.
The reason Joe Haden was drafted as High as he was is because once he gets accustomed to the pro game he will cover any receiver you set him on like a glove. Taking an entire side of the field away from the opposing O does wonders for your pass rush and D in general.
The ravens v steelers game showed that to win in this division you have to have the badass defence there is no if, ands, or buts about it.
I had seen that Sports Science show & as incredible as his athleticism is, Joe was recruited by Florida as a QB & asked to play cornerback as a true Freshman, starting at corner 1st game of his freshman year. How many players recruited for the glamorous position of QB at a major D1 school would accept moving to DB? That alone is amazing at that level of College football. As good as this kid is now, he is only going to get better given his limited experience as a corner, & that's almost scary. The kid is indeed the total package.
Number 23 will be MY next jersey.
Mike
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I never thought Haden wasn't good. I'm just not huge on taking a corner that high. Devin McCourty is playing great, too.
But we picked him and he's good and I'm happy.
I never thought Haden wasn't good. I'm just not huge on taking a corner that high. Devin McCourty is playing great, too.
But we picked him and he's good and I'm happy.
Shep, you just have to get over taking a (name a position) high. The Browns needs in the 2010 draft in no particular order- were secondary help, a monster pass rusher, and WR.
As I said we weren't taking Dez Bryant because of the bad character rap. I'll let you do 20\20 hindsight (I just did) and peruse the way the first round shook out and name someone you'd rather have @ #8 right now instead of Joe. We could play Nostradamus and say we could have traded down a few slots, but who would have wanted to move up into the Browns slot? I say the Browns were stuck where they were, and absolutely got the best player possible, AT A POSITION OF NEED. So he's a cornerback- so what- after a Pro Bowl or two it won't matter where he was drafted.
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I never thought Haden wasn't good. I'm just not huge on taking a corner that high. Devin McCourty is playing great, too.
But we picked him and he's good and I'm happy.
Shep, you just have to get over taking a (name a position) high. The Browns needs in the 2010 draft in no particular order- were secondary help, a monster pass rusher, and WR.
As I said we weren't taking Dez Bryant because of the bad character rap. I'll let you do 20\20 hindsight (I just did) and peruse the way the first round shook out and name someone you'd rather have @ #8 right now instead of Joe. We could play Nostradamus and say we could have traded down a few slots, but who would have wanted to move up into the Browns slot? I say the Browns were stuck where they were, and absolutely got the best player possible, AT A POSITION OF NEED. So he's a cornerback- so what- after a Pro Bowl or two it won't matter where he was drafted.
Shep, you just have to get over taking a (name a position) high. The Browns needs in the 2010 draft in no particular order- were secondary help, a monster pass rusher, and WR.
As I said we weren't taking Dez Bryant because of the bad character rap. I'll let you do 20\20 hindsight (I just did) and peruse the way the first round shook out and name someone you'd rather have @ #8 right now instead of Joe. We could play Nostradamus and say we could have traded down a few slots, but who would have wanted to move up into the Browns slot? I say the Browns were stuck where they were, and absolutely got the best player possible, AT A POSITION OF NEED. So he's a cornerback- so what- after a Pro Bowl or two it won't matter where he was drafted.
We needed a corner, and it paid off. Clearly Eric Wright isn't getting the job done. Haden is playing great and is getting better every game. I normally wouldn't take a corner that high, but clearly its paying dividends.
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It's great that so many of our offseason additions already have become fan favorites: Hillis & Ward are the hard-nosed players the city loves, Haden's recent play has everyone excited, and McCoy will get more love than all of them if he gets healthy and finishes the season strong.
Man, Tom Heckert is a beast.
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Also, if anyone hasn't heard about the latest twitter craze, you should check it out. Joe Haden has been tweeting about his Official Twitter fan page @JoeHaden_Nation ....all Browns should check it out. It keeps me updated on all the latest Browns and Haden news!
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