Delhomme the worst qb in the NFL
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no wonder lebron left.....no wonder modell moved the team. cleveland is just big enough to carry a market for sports teams and just dumb enough to run them right out again
All bullsh*t aside you can have your own delusional opinion because every one knows what they say about opinions! But how can you say your a fan or "support" the browns and then make comments like that? Any self respecting browns fan despises art modell to the core, and then you call yourself a fan and justify art modell haha! Anybody that reads that comment can see thru your bullsh*t. Like delhomme or not you can't consider your self a fan and say stuff like that! So go ahead and try to justify your comments nobody respects your opinion anymore.
All bullsh*t aside you can have your own delusional opinion because every one knows what they say about opinions! But how can you say your a fan or "support" the browns and then make comments like that? Any self respecting browns fan despises art modell to the core, and then you call yourself a fan and justify art modell haha! Anybody that reads that comment can see thru your bullsh*t. Like delhomme or not you can't consider your self a fan and say stuff like that! So go ahead and try to justify your comments nobody respects your opinion anymore.
heres the deal.....you can take it or leave it and im willing to bet you'll leave it
ive lived almost my entire life rooting for 2 terrible teams......one of which is the saints.....they recently turned their entire franchise around and are now consistant contenders. it happened very quickly in only the span of 4 seasons
now......the browns are doing something very similar.....they brought in a free agent QB that nobody wanted. they brought in a few defensive leaders and a coach that was cast off his previous team......they bring in a president that wants to revitalize a city and help rebuild a team that is and has been one of the worst teams in the leagues history
now i understand the impatience coming from browns fans and i understand the constant pressure to push away anyone who comes in with a different mindset, but after watching the saints, a team that is known for failure, turn it around in such a short amount of time.....i want nothing more than to see the browns do the exact same thing
they are capable of doing it and the similarities are there. but one thing that i have noticed despite the progress of the team is that there is still a ton of negativity from browns fans. you guys constantly bash whatever scapegoat you can think of from week to week. lately its been jake. early on it was eric wright......for some reason you guys dont understand that one player isnt going to change the outcome of games.
you know when you're a teenager and your parents try and tell you all these things to help but you push them away and act like they have no idea what they are talking about only to grow up and realize they were right about everything..........well here i am.....telling you how its going to be
ive accepted that you dont want to hear what im saying, but in a few seasons the browns will be the cream of north crop and you will be looking back at these posts thinking.....maybe he did know something
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no wonder lebron left.....no wonder modell moved the team. cleveland is just big enough to carry a market for sports teams and just dumb enough to run them right out again
All bullsh*t aside you can have your own delusional opinion because every one knows what they say about opinions! But how can you say your a fan or "support" the browns and then make comments like that? Any self respecting browns fan despises art modell to the core, and then you call yourself a fan and justify art modell haha! Anybody that reads that comment can see thru your bullsh*t. Like delhomme or not you can't consider your self a fan and say stuff like that! So go ahead and try to justify your comments nobody respects your opinion anymore.
All bullsh*t aside you can have your own delusional opinion because every one knows what they say about opinions! But how can you say your a fan or "support" the browns and then make comments like that? Any self respecting browns fan despises art modell to the core, and then you call yourself a fan and justify art modell haha! Anybody that reads that comment can see thru your bullsh*t. Like delhomme or not you can't consider your self a fan and say stuff like that! So go ahead and try to justify your comments nobody respects your opinion anymore.
He's not a Browns fan. When he first joined his avatar was a picture of him wearing the Saints colors and he kept saying a bunch of crap about how we were going to lose to the Saints and all that.
Now that we beat them he's changed his tune and is now sporting a pic of a dog and claims to be a Browns fan.
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You're right, Jake has competed against some tougher pass defenses. I guess just competing against tough pass defenses makes him the better QB, not his stats. How could I have been so blind?
Buffalo, Tampa Bay and Carolina have such "good" pass defenses because their rush defenses are terrible. It's easy to have a good pass defense when teams don't have to pass on you to beat you. Buffalo is ranked 32nd in rush defense. Tampa Bay is 27th in rush defense. Carolina is 25th in rush defense. Teams destroy them on the ground, therefore they don't have to pass on them.
On the other side, Kansas City is 15th in rush defense, Baltimore is 8th in rush defense, and Cincinnati is 24th. Outside of Cincinnati, those are solid rush defenses. And solid all around defenses.
And we'll completely just disregard the fact that Kansas City and Baltimore will both be playing in the postseason, whereas, of the teams Jake has faced, only Tampa Bay has a shot at playing in the postseason.
actually their pass defenses are good because they have good secondaries.......tampa had one of the best secondaries in the league this year until all their injuries.......the bills have 2 of the best young corners in the league and their safeties are no joke either.......miami is the same way and carolina has an aging secondary with proven vets
baltimore is built up front....their secondary is garbage except ed reed......their starters are hurt and kansas city might as well not have a secondary
cincy has been beaten up badly all year by the pass......leon hall has had an eric wright type season and roy williams is probably the worst cover safety in the league
and no....i didnt say they were elite.....i just said they had good pass defenses. there is a reason for that because jake and seneca have nothing to do with the ground game. that is why i felt it was appropriate to use the pass defenses rather than the rush defenses seeing as how neither of them are running backs
That's 2 touchdowns and 5 INT's for Jake against teams that have a combined record of 19-33, compared to Seneca's 3 TD's and 2 INT's against teams with a combined record of 18-20. I guess Jake really is playing to win, huh? Because if there's one thing I know, it's that winning QB's throw 2 times as many interceptions as they do touchdowns, especially against cupcake teams.
his stats prove that he played against stiffer competition. their records dont reflect the talent on those teams or how the rest of the browns team performed during those games. in fact, i can use the browns as a perfect example.....the record doesnt reflect how good they actually are
Seneca Wallace's worst game, by rating, is better than all of Jake's games, excluding the Miami game. Even then, it's only 11 rating points of a difference. Seneca Wallace's average QB rating of 88.5 is 24.9 points higher than that of Delhomme's. Seneca Wallace has yet to throw for multiple interceptions in a game. Jake Delhomme has as many pick sixes as Seneca has interceptions.
if you can tell me the formula for coming up with a passer rating then i will start caring about what those numbers mean.....otherwise they are a made up stat
I support my team. I know my team. I know football. There's not one statline you can throw at me to prove Jake Delhomme gives the Cleveland Browns a better chance to win than Seneca Wallace. Seneca has outperformed Jake, flat out. That's it. You have a boner for Jake because he's a Ragin' Cajun, probably. And guess what, college allegiences don't get a team into the postseason.
i really dont care where jake when to school. i have no allegiance to any team or person from louisianna unless they play for the saints. ive grown up in ohio and i know football as well. i know the browns and the saints which is 2 more teams than most of you guys on here know anything about
the only stats that you are saying prove that jake is worse are the INTs.....other than that he has performed the exact same as seneca except he has more wins against stiffer pass defenses
What minimal, and I mean minimal, respect anybody might have had for you is now completely gone. You go onto a Browns forum and try to prove you know something when you clearly don't, and when everybody calls you on your bullshit you throw in a played-out Art Modell crack, and then call our fanbase and city ignorant and expect us to like you because you say you support the Browns? You're a joke, plain and simple.
Also, we take criticism well as a fanbase. We just don't take kindly to douchebags who think they know better about our team when they clearly don't. I'm all for genuine chalk talk with people who know what they're talking about. But you're a 16 week frak and that's it. After the Browns win a Super Bowl and the Saints go back to the cellar, are you going to say "Oh, I used to be a Saints fan, but I've been a secret Browns fan forever."?
i couldnt care less what you think of me or how much respect you have for me.....it has very little to do with browns football. the art modell crack? yea that was right up there with the D&D jokes or whatever you guys think i do in my spare time. pretty classy of you guys to bring shit up that has nothing to do with anything
the moderation here allows for a lot more pissing and moaning and a lot less football talk anyway. you guys keep on bitching and it makes the rest of ohio look bad. its starting to piss me off because my affiliation to the browns is very loose and its giving the normal fans a bad rep......so quit it
actually their pass defenses are good because they have good secondaries.......tampa had one of the best secondaries in the league this year until all their injuries.......the bills have 2 of the best young corners in the league and their safeties are no joke either.......miami is the same way and carolina has an aging secondary with proven vets
baltimore is built up front....their secondary is garbage except ed reed......their starters are hurt and kansas city might as well not have a secondary
cincy has been beaten up badly all year by the pass......leon hall has had an eric wright type season and roy williams is probably the worst cover safety in the league
and no....i didnt say they were elite.....i just said they had good pass defenses. there is a reason for that because jake and seneca have nothing to do with the ground game. that is why i felt it was appropriate to use the pass defenses rather than the rush defenses seeing as how neither of them are running backs
his stats prove that he played against stiffer competition. their records dont reflect the talent on those teams or how the rest of the browns team performed during those games. in fact, i can use the browns as a perfect example.....the record doesnt reflect how good they actually are
if you can tell me the formula for coming up with a passer rating then i will start caring about what those numbers mean.....otherwise they are a made up stat
i really dont care where jake when to school. i have no allegiance to any team or person from louisianna unless they play for the saints. ive grown up in ohio and i know football as well. i know the browns and the saints which is 2 more teams than most of you guys on here know anything about
the only stats that you are saying prove that jake is worse are the INTs.....other than that he has performed the exact same as seneca except he has more wins against stiffer pass defenses
i couldnt care less what you think of me or how much respect you have for me.....it has very little to do with browns football. the art modell crack? yea that was right up there with the D&D jokes or whatever you guys think i do in my spare time. pretty classy of you guys to bring shit up that has nothing to do with anything
the moderation here allows for a lot more pissing and moaning and a lot less football talk anyway. you guys keep on bitching and it makes the rest of ohio look bad. its starting to piss me off because my affiliation to the browns is very loose and its giving the normal fans a bad rep......so quit it
The ground game has nothing to do with the passing game? Someone tell all the coaches they're wrong! Apparently you don't run to set up the pass or vice versa! It turns out they are mutually exclusive and have no bearing on each other! You show the marks of someone who doesn't know anything about football other than the stats you get in fantasy every week. That doesn't mean you know football. I'm not getting into an internet pissing contest with you, but the shit I leave in the toilet every morning knows more football than you.
Congratulations, though, you have kept up with the latest blurbs on your fantasy football site about the young and rising talent on the worst franchises in the league. 95% of your last response was just a regurgitation of Michael Fabiano's "Start 'em or Sit 'em" throughout the year. Real football is bigger than fantasy. Apparently, though, from the amount of times you mention it, D&D was a big thing for you. It's no wonder you get fantasy and real life confused then.
a = \left ({COMP \over ATT} - .3 \right ) \times 5
b = \left ({YARDS \over ATT} - 3 \right ) \times .25
c = \left ({TD \over ATT} \right ) \times 20
d = 2.375 - \left ({INT \over ATT} \times 25 \right )
Then use the above calculations to complete the passer rating:
Passer Rating_{NFL} = \left ({mm(a) + mm(
+ mm
+ mm(d) \over 6} \right ) \times 100where mm(x) = max(0,min(x,2.375))
That is how a passer rating is figured. But since you don't like the numbers,it's not a real stat, right? That's okay, you don't have to use it; the NFL, ESPN, and the rest of the world will continue to use it. You just live in your bubble and pretend it's a made-up, fantastical statistic.
Jake has more INTs, less TDs, lower completion percentage, and lower yards per completion. He's a statue in the pocket. He doesn't stretch the field vertically. He takes 5 seconds to throw a checkdown pass. The offense hasn't been clicking with him in. He doesn't possess the ability to extend plays.
Your counterargument is weak and ineffective. Jake has not performed exactly the same as Seneca. And judging from your weak response, you've realized it.
But Jake should be our starter for the rest of the year, because he "spreads the field", right? Or is it because he's got more yards than Seneca? Because that's how you gauge a quality QB, his total yards thrown.
This isn't even fun, I feel bad for you.
heres the deal.....you can take it or leave it and im willing to bet you'll leave it
ive lived almost my entire life rooting for 2 terrible teams......one of which is the saints.....they recently turned their entire franchise around and are now consistant contenders. it happened very quickly in only the span of 4 seasons
now......the browns are doing something very similar.....they brought in a free agent QB that nobody wanted. they brought in a few defensive leaders and a coach that was cast off his previous team......they bring in a president that wants to revitalize a city and help rebuild a team that is and has been one of the worst teams in the leagues history
now i understand the impatience coming from browns fans and i understand the constant pressure to push away anyone who comes in with a different mindset, but after watching the saints, a team that is known for failure, turn it around in such a short amount of time.....i want nothing more than to see the browns do the exact same thing
they are capable of doing it and the similarities are there. but one thing that i have noticed despite the progress of the team is that there is still a ton of negativity from browns fans. you guys constantly bash whatever scapegoat you can think of from week to week. lately its been jake. early on it was eric wright......for some reason you guys dont understand that one player isnt going to change the outcome of games.
you know when you're a teenager and your parents try and tell you all these things to help but you push them away and act like they have no idea what they are talking about only to grow up and realize they were right about everything..........well here i am.....telling you how its going to be
ive accepted that you dont want to hear what im saying, but in a few seasons the browns will be the cream of north crop and you will be looking back at these posts thinking.....maybe he did know something
Stop trying to act like the wiser uncle who's seen it all. The Saints won a Super Bowl and now you think you're hot shit.
You're fuxking full of yourself, for no reason. You've yet to provide anything except a wet hole that my long dick of knowledge has fuxked over and over again.
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I feel bad for Mangini. First it was Favre and the Jets and now it's Delhomme and the Browns.
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All bullsh*t aside you can have your own delusional opinion because every one knows what they say about opinions! But how can you say your a fan or "support" the browns and then make comments like that? Any self respecting browns fan despises art modell to the core, and then you call yourself a fan and justify art modell haha! Anybody that reads that comment can see thru your bullsh*t. Like delhomme or not you can't consider your self a fan and say stuff like that! So go ahead and try to justify your comments nobody respects your opinion anymore.
heres the deal.....you can take it or leave it and im willing to bet you'll leave it
ive lived almost my entire life rooting for 2 terrible teams......one of which is the saints.....they recently turned their entire franchise around and are now consistant contenders. it happened very quickly in only the span of 4 seasons
now......the browns are doing something very similar.....they brought in a free agent QB that nobody wanted. they brought in a few defensive leaders and a coach that was cast off his previous team......they bring in a president that wants to revitalize a city and help rebuild a team that is and has been one of the worst teams in the leagues history
now i understand the impatience coming from browns fans and i understand the constant pressure to push away anyone who comes in with a different mindset, but after watching the saints, a team that is known for failure, turn it around in such a short amount of time.....i want nothing more than to see the browns do the exact same thing
they are capable of doing it and the similarities are there. but one thing that i have noticed despite the progress of the team is that there is still a ton of negativity from browns fans. you guys constantly bash whatever scapegoat you can think of from week to week. lately its been jake. early on it was eric wright......for some reason you guys dont understand that one player isnt going to change the outcome of games.
you know when you're a teenager and your parents try and tell you all these things to help but you push them away and act like they have no idea what they are talking about only to grow up and realize they were right about everything..........well here i am.....telling you how its going to be
ive accepted that you dont want to hear what im saying, but in a few seasons the browns will be the cream of north crop and you will be looking back at these posts thinking.....maybe he did know something
you know when you're a teenager and your parents try and tell you all these things to help but you push them away and act like they have no idea what they are talking about only to grow up and realize they were right about everything..........well here i am.....telling you how its going to be
The only thing your telling me is that you have no idea what the hell your talking about and everybody that's read your posts and this thread can pretty much agree your a moron who is a saints fan and should be on a saints forum giving all your great advice to those people..........jake delhomme is a complete bum he has no buisness getting the deal the browns gave him. The OP who started the thread did so to vent his frustrations with a 3rd rate QB, yet you felt the urge to sh*t on it to prove to all of us "negative browns fans who constantly bash whatever scape goat we can think of from week to week". So why don't you do us a favor uncle cantonreject and save your wonderful advice for someone who cares. And in a few seasons when we do turn it around I'm sure ill see your fair weather ass on here touting on the browns.
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At this point were screwed,Delhomme's lame duck QB performance has put the Browns in position with just enough wins of not being able to move up any draft position.Being out of the top 10 leaves less trade down possibilites.No need to play Colt McCoy now and risk further injury.Let Jake finish the season that way we have a target for snowballs.
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All bullsh*t aside you can have your own delusional opinion because every one knows what they say about opinions! But how can you say your a fan or "support" the browns and then make comments like that? Any self respecting browns fan despises art modell to the core, and then you call yourself a fan and justify art modell haha! Anybody that reads that comment can see thru your bullsh*t. Like delhomme or not you can't consider your self a fan and say stuff like that! So go ahead and try to justify your comments nobody respects your opinion anymore.
He's not a Browns fan. When he first joined his avatar was a picture of him wearing the Saints colors and he kept saying a bunch of crap about how we were going to lose to the Saints and all that.
Now that we beat them he's changed his tune and is now sporting a pic of a dog and claims to be a Browns fan.
He's not a Browns fan. When he first joined his avatar was a picture of him wearing the Saints colors and he kept saying a bunch of crap about how we were going to lose to the Saints and all that.
Now that we beat them he's changed his tune and is now sporting a pic of a dog and claims to be a Browns fan.
actually i came here to talk about the browns and give you guys somethin to look forward to
heres a link to my original post
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15683
read that thread......its funny because even tho i came to wish you guys luck, you guys still jumped on my ass
same thing happened in the saints/browns thread......i started talking a little smack and you guys jumped on something that had nothing to do with football
its cool tho....after less than a season ive come to despise most browns fans and im completely content just tryin to piss you guys off more now.....its not that hard
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mikeyP72 said:
What proof do we need?Jake is not better than Seneca or Colt. Colt, after 4 starts, 2 of which defeating the Patriots and Saints, has been pegged by more experts than not as the QB of the future for the Browns.
Jake cannot out perform a career backup in Seneca Wallace. He single handedly lost 2 close games with untimely INT's earler in the season and almost handed the game to the Carolina Panthers (1-12).
The numbers and facts don't lie.
Come out of the basement and put down the magic cape fruit cake. There's a whole big world out here with people and opinions and facts, this isn't make believe land.
this is your problem
after 4 games you are ready to can your QB.....rather than giving him time and weapons you would rather crush him and watch him cry on the bench
the stats only show what you want them to show......colt didnt have anything to do with the victories against the saints or the pats
you guys keep blaming the QB when the real problem is WRs......if they get open....if they make plays on the ball instead of not getting open and running terrible routes and dropping balls, anybody could start for the browns
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mikeyP72 said:
What proof do we need?Jake is not better than Seneca or Colt. Colt, after 4 starts, 2 of which defeating the Patriots and Saints, has been pegged by more experts than not as the QB of the future for the Browns.
Jake cannot out perform a career backup in Seneca Wallace. He single handedly lost 2 close games with untimely INT's earler in the season and almost handed the game to the Carolina Panthers (1-12).
The numbers and facts don't lie.
Come out of the basement and put down the magic cape fruit cake. There's a whole big world out here with people and opinions and facts, this isn't make believe land.
this is your problem
after 4 games you are ready to can your QB.....rather than giving him time and weapons you would rather crush him and watch him cry on the bench
the stats only show what you want them to show......colt didnt have anything to do with the victories against the saints or the pats
you guys keep blaming the QB when the real problem is WRs......if they get open....if they make plays on the ball instead of not getting open and running terrible routes and dropping balls, anybody could start for the browns
you guys keep blaming the QB when the real problem is WRs......if they get open....if they make plays on the ball instead of not getting open and running terrible routes and dropping balls, anybody could start for the browns
Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
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you guys keep blaming the QB when the real problem is WRs......if they get open....if they make plays on the ball instead of not getting open and running terrible routes and dropping balls, anybody could start for the browns
Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
You need a great quarterback in today's NFL, period. You need a guy who can win games for you, not just be a caretaker. It's a quarterback league and a passing league. Nobody's winning Super Bowls with Orton or Fitzpatrick or Delhomme. It's Brady, Manning, Brees, and Roethlisberger, like it or not. Right behind them are Rivers, Ryan, and Rodgers. If he ever gets consistent, maybe Sanchez. Right now, he's as often the problem as the solution.
The idea of being awesome everywhere else and only decent at the most important position in team sports is old fashioned. Hey, the Vikings have everything else but a quarterback. How'd they look last night? Welcome back to .500, the pre-Favre Vikings. Or the Jets last year, when they should have been 7-9 if not for two teams resting all their starters.
As Holmgren says over and over, you have to be able to pass the ball really well, week after week, to win in this league for very long. As Gruden says, if you don't have your quarterback, nothing else really matter.
"North of 90" is the saying now: If you can't pass for a rating above 90 in today's NFL, go home. Preferably 100. You need to complete about 65% for over 7, maybe over 7.5, and throw twice as many TDs as INTs. It equates to winning, period.
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you guys keep blaming the QB when the real problem is WRs......if they get open....if they make plays on the ball instead of not getting open and running terrible routes and dropping balls, anybody could start for the browns
Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
i am sure you guys understand the lack of talent at the WR position.....but i am not so sure you guys understand how detrimental they actually are to the team. the team got rid of its 2 best weapons in edwards and winslow......they replaced them with massaquoi and robiskie. are you kidding me? peyton manning and tom brady couldnt make those terrible receivers look good
steve smith is well past his prime and he is no longer the all pro caliber player that he was......not to mention the fact that they got rid of his other weapons and his tight ends were garbage
delhomme came to another team with no WRs and average TEs. it would be great to see him play with some talent at the WR position to see if he really is the problem or not
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Don't pay any attention to CantonLegend. He thought he knew what he was talking about, but he's been proven wrong.
Let's carry on with legitimate football talk and not homerism, thanks.
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Ok cantonreject its obvious your totaly on delhommes dick...maybe your actually jake himself disguised as some reject from canton posting on here tryin to safe miserable face.....when jake fades away into obscurity what will you do then go to the forum wherever he's the 3rd string QB at and try to tell those guys what a godsend he is? You win you've convinced me delhomme is bad ass..I can't wait to watch what he's gonna do in the pro bowl this season when he does have great recievers to showcase his talents, hell they should just stop wasting time and induct him into the hall of fame already..............now all we have to do is get the mods to change the name of this thread to.......................delhome the best QB in the NFL!!!!!!!!
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Ok cantonreject its obvious your totaly on delhommes dick...maybe your actually jake himself disguised as some reject from canton posting on here tryin to safe miserable face.....when jake fades away into obscurity what will you do then go to the forum wherever he's the 3rd string QB at and try to tell those guys what a godsend he is? You win you've convinced me delhomme is bad ass..I can't wait to watch what he's gonna do in the pro bowl this season when he does have great recievers to showcase his talents, hell they should just stop wasting time and induct him into the hall of fame already..............now all we have to do is get the mods to change the name of this thread to.......................delhome the best QB in the NFL!!!!!!!!
Ok cantonreject its obvious your totaly on delhommes dick...maybe your actually jake himself disguised as some reject from canton posting on here tryin to safe miserable face.....when jake fades away into obscurity what will you do then go to the forum wherever he's the 3rd string QB at and try to tell those guys what a godsend he is? You win you've convinced me delhomme is bad ass..I can't wait to watch what he's gonna do in the pro bowl this season when he does have great recievers to showcase his talents, hell they should just stop wasting time and induct him into the hall of fame already..............now all we have to do is get the mods to change the name of this thread to.......................delhome the best QB in the NFL!!!!!!!!
you are lowering the IQ of the other posters on this board
you've never posted anything insightful since ive been a member and you feed off trying to demean other members of the board.
i dont think delhomme is the best.....i never said he was.....in fact i wouldnt even put him in the top 20 QBs in the league right now....but i would put him above seneca and colt which are the only other options you guys have
its a shame that a debate cant stay civil with you morons and it has to turn into something personal every time i post......thats fine.....ive grown to expect nothing less from you clowns
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Don't pay any attention to CantonLegend. He thought he knew what he was talking about, but he's been proven wrong.
Let's carry on with legitimate football talk and not homerism, thanks.
Don't pay any attention to CantonLegend. He thought he knew what he was talking about, but he's been proven wrong.
Let's carry on with legitimate football talk and not homerism, thanks.
rooting for jake doesnt mean im not a browns fan or i dont know what im talking about.....it means im not a negative nancy about everything that he does
it means that im not going to blame jake for hillis' fumbles or the WR drops or the lack of any return game in special teams or the defense that is 22nd in the league
all it means is that im comfortable with jake as a starter and you arent
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Ok cantonreject its obvious your totaly on delhommes dick...maybe your actually jake himself disguised as some reject from canton posting on here tryin to safe miserable face.....when jake fades away into obscurity what will you do then go to the forum wherever he's the 3rd string QB at and try to tell those guys what a godsend he is? You win you've convinced me delhomme is bad ass..I can't wait to watch what he's gonna do in the pro bowl this season when he does have great recievers to showcase his talents, hell they should just stop wasting time and induct him into the hall of fame already..............now all we have to do is get the mods to change the name of this thread to.......................delhome the best QB in the NFL!!!!!!!!
you are lowering the IQ of the other posters on this board
you've never posted anything insightful since ive been a member and you feed off trying to demean other members of the board.
i dont think delhomme is the best.....i never said he was.....in fact i wouldnt even put him in the top 20 QBs in the league right now....but i would put him above seneca and colt which are the only other options you guys have
its a shame that a debate cant stay civil with you morons and it has to turn into something personal every time i post......thats fine.....ive grown to expect nothing less from you clowns
you are lowering the IQ of the other posters on this board
you've never posted anything insightful since ive been a member and you feed off trying to demean other members of the board.
i dont think delhomme is the best.....i never said he was.....in fact i wouldnt even put him in the top 20 QBs in the league right now....but i would put him above seneca and colt which are the only other options you guys have
its a shame that a debate cant stay civil with you morons and it has to turn into something personal every time i post......thats fine.....ive grown to expect nothing less from you clowns
So if everyone is a moron or a clown why are you here??..............attention whore maybe???
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you are lowering the IQ of the other posters on this board
you've never posted anything insightful since ive been a member and you feed off trying to demean other members of the board.
i dont think delhomme is the best.....i never said he was.....in fact i wouldnt even put him in the top 20 QBs in the league right now....but i would put him above seneca and colt which are the only other options you guys have
its a shame that a debate cant stay civil with you morons and it has to turn into something personal every time i post......thats fine.....ive grown to expect nothing less from you clowns
So if everyone is a moron or a clown why are you here??..............attention whore maybe???
So if everyone is a moron or a clown why are you here??..............attention whore maybe???
thought i could talk browns football......eventually i wise up
i cant say that everybody here is as dumb as the guys in this thread......but im having trouble finding them
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Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
i am sure you guys understand the lack of talent at the WR position.....but i am not so sure you guys understand how detrimental they actually are to the team. the team got rid of its 2 best weapons in edwards and winslow......they replaced them with massaquoi and robiskie. are you kidding me? peyton manning and tom brady couldnt make those terrible receivers look good
steve smith is well past his prime and he is no longer the all pro caliber player that he was......not to mention the fact that they got rid of his other weapons and his tight ends were garbage
delhomme came to another team with no WRs and average TEs. it would be great to see him play with some talent at the WR position to see if he really is the problem or not
i am sure you guys understand the lack of talent at the WR position.....but i am not so sure you guys understand how detrimental they actually are to the team. the team got rid of its 2 best weapons in edwards and winslow......they replaced them with massaquoi and robiskie. are you kidding me? peyton manning and tom brady couldnt make those terrible receivers look good
steve smith is well past his prime and he is no longer the all pro caliber player that he was......not to mention the fact that they got rid of his other weapons and his tight ends were garbage
delhomme came to another team with no WRs and average TEs. it would be great to see him play with some talent at the WR position to see if he really is the problem or not
I lived through Derek Anderson last year, Delhomme looks no better this year. I think I know what washed up looks like. Immobile- and some of those pick sixes were forced into double coverage that had ZERO chance of being completed. You can't lay a 63 qb rating all on the wrs not getting open- if they're not, you throw the ball into the seats.
Peyton Manning is making Pierre Freaking Garcon look good. Brady has nothing outside of Wes Welker.
As to those trades, Ben Watson has better stats than Winslow, and his knee isn't shot. KWII was dumped because of attitude and the fact he'll be out of football in the next two years waiting for a total knee replacement.
You want to talk Edwards? He's "aura" was just too big for Cleveland, and he never wanted to be here. He's having a decent year- after they got him into AA and he isn't seeing three balls coming at him on gameday. And BTW, we effectively got Colt McCoy for Edwards. See me next year on who made out better on that deal.
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i am sure you guys understand the lack of talent at the WR position.....but i am not so sure you guys understand how detrimental they actually are to the team. the team got rid of its 2 best weapons in edwards and winslow......they replaced them with massaquoi and robiskie. are you kidding me? peyton manning and tom brady couldnt make those terrible receivers look good
steve smith is well past his prime and he is no longer the all pro caliber player that he was......not to mention the fact that they got rid of his other weapons and his tight ends were garbage
delhomme came to another team with no WRs and average TEs. it would be great to see him play with some talent at the WR position to see if he really is the problem or not
I lived through Derek Anderson last year, Delhomme looks no better this year. I think I know what washed up looks like. Immobile- and some of those pick sixes were forced into double coverage that had ZERO chance of being completed. You can't lay a 63 qb rating all on the wrs not getting open- if they're not, you throw the ball into the seats.
Peyton Manning is making Pierre Freaking Garcon look good. Brady has nothing outside of Wes Welker.
As to those trades, Ben Watson has better stats than Winslow, and his knee isn't shot. KWII was dumped because of attitude and the fact he'll be out of football in the next two years waiting for a total knee replacement.
You want to talk Edwards? He's "aura" was just too big for Cleveland, and he never wanted to be here. He's having a decent year- after they got him into AA and he isn't seeing three balls coming at him on gameday. And BTW, we effectively got Colt McCoy for Edwards. See me next year on who made out better on that deal.
I lived through Derek Anderson last year, Delhomme looks no better this year. I think I know what washed up looks like. Immobile- and some of those pick sixes were forced into double coverage that had ZERO chance of being completed. You can't lay a 63 qb rating all on the wrs not getting open- if they're not, you throw the ball into the seats.
you also cant lay it all on delhomme. its easy to say he should just throw it away....chances are you've never played QB. you cant just throw the ball away and your job is to make a play when there isnt one. jake tries to do that even when his WRs arent open......but his WRs not being open isnt his fault
Peyton Manning is making Pierre Freaking Garcon look good. Brady has nothing outside of Wes Welker.
peyton manning isnt making anybody look good this year........brady has deion branch, welker, 2 good young TEs, woodhead, and green-ellis. all of them are pretty good
As to those trades, Ben Watson has better stats than Winslow, and his knee isn't shot. KWII was dumped because of attitude and the fact he'll be out of football in the next two years waiting for a total knee replacement.
You want to talk Edwards? He's "aura" was just too big for Cleveland, and he never wanted to be here. He's having a decent year- after they got him into AA and he isn't seeing three balls coming at him on gameday. And BTW, we effectively got Colt McCoy for Edwards. See me next year on who made out better on that deal.
and when your leading receivers are your RB and TE it means you dont have any other options......i would bet that the browns are the only team in the league that has a TE and RB as the top 2 receivers on the team
edwards may have been a crappy guy....but he was a good WR. same with winslow.......his injuries are annoying but hes a far better receiver than anybody the browns have now.....including watson
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i also went back and watched every delhomme INT this season so far
i noticed 3 of his 7 have been because he was hit while he threw it
2 of them have been ridiculous plays by the defender.....one coming in the secondary against the buccs in the first game and the other coming against atlanta when the defender tipped it and then dove 5 yards to catch it
leaving 2 of them being bad decisions and the ones that you can really only blame on him
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