Delhomme the worst qb in the NFL
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I feel bad for Mangini. First it was Favre and the Jets and now it's Delhomme and the Browns.
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All bullsh*t aside you can have your own delusional opinion because every one knows what they say about opinions! But how can you say your a fan or "support" the browns and then make comments like that? Any self respecting browns fan despises art modell to the core, and then you call yourself a fan and justify art modell haha! Anybody that reads that comment can see thru your bullsh*t. Like delhomme or not you can't consider your self a fan and say stuff like that! So go ahead and try to justify your comments nobody respects your opinion anymore.
heres the deal.....you can take it or leave it and im willing to bet you'll leave it
ive lived almost my entire life rooting for 2 terrible teams......one of which is the saints.....they recently turned their entire franchise around and are now consistant contenders. it happened very quickly in only the span of 4 seasons
now......the browns are doing something very similar.....they brought in a free agent QB that nobody wanted. they brought in a few defensive leaders and a coach that was cast off his previous team......they bring in a president that wants to revitalize a city and help rebuild a team that is and has been one of the worst teams in the leagues history
now i understand the impatience coming from browns fans and i understand the constant pressure to push away anyone who comes in with a different mindset, but after watching the saints, a team that is known for failure, turn it around in such a short amount of time.....i want nothing more than to see the browns do the exact same thing
they are capable of doing it and the similarities are there. but one thing that i have noticed despite the progress of the team is that there is still a ton of negativity from browns fans. you guys constantly bash whatever scapegoat you can think of from week to week. lately its been jake. early on it was eric wright......for some reason you guys dont understand that one player isnt going to change the outcome of games.
you know when you're a teenager and your parents try and tell you all these things to help but you push them away and act like they have no idea what they are talking about only to grow up and realize they were right about everything..........well here i am.....telling you how its going to be
ive accepted that you dont want to hear what im saying, but in a few seasons the browns will be the cream of north crop and you will be looking back at these posts thinking.....maybe he did know something
you know when you're a teenager and your parents try and tell you all these things to help but you push them away and act like they have no idea what they are talking about only to grow up and realize they were right about everything..........well here i am.....telling you how its going to be
The only thing your telling me is that you have no idea what the hell your talking about and everybody that's read your posts and this thread can pretty much agree your a moron who is a saints fan and should be on a saints forum giving all your great advice to those people..........jake delhomme is a complete bum he has no buisness getting the deal the browns gave him. The OP who started the thread did so to vent his frustrations with a 3rd rate QB, yet you felt the urge to sh*t on it to prove to all of us "negative browns fans who constantly bash whatever scape goat we can think of from week to week". So why don't you do us a favor uncle cantonreject and save your wonderful advice for someone who cares. And in a few seasons when we do turn it around I'm sure ill see your fair weather ass on here touting on the browns.
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At this point were screwed,Delhomme's lame duck QB performance has put the Browns in position with just enough wins of not being able to move up any draft position.Being out of the top 10 leaves less trade down possibilites.No need to play Colt McCoy now and risk further injury.Let Jake finish the season that way we have a target for snowballs.
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All bullsh*t aside you can have your own delusional opinion because every one knows what they say about opinions! But how can you say your a fan or "support" the browns and then make comments like that? Any self respecting browns fan despises art modell to the core, and then you call yourself a fan and justify art modell haha! Anybody that reads that comment can see thru your bullsh*t. Like delhomme or not you can't consider your self a fan and say stuff like that! So go ahead and try to justify your comments nobody respects your opinion anymore.
He's not a Browns fan. When he first joined his avatar was a picture of him wearing the Saints colors and he kept saying a bunch of crap about how we were going to lose to the Saints and all that.
Now that we beat them he's changed his tune and is now sporting a pic of a dog and claims to be a Browns fan.
He's not a Browns fan. When he first joined his avatar was a picture of him wearing the Saints colors and he kept saying a bunch of crap about how we were going to lose to the Saints and all that.
Now that we beat them he's changed his tune and is now sporting a pic of a dog and claims to be a Browns fan.
actually i came here to talk about the browns and give you guys somethin to look forward to
heres a link to my original post
http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15683
read that thread......its funny because even tho i came to wish you guys luck, you guys still jumped on my ass
same thing happened in the saints/browns thread......i started talking a little smack and you guys jumped on something that had nothing to do with football
its cool tho....after less than a season ive come to despise most browns fans and im completely content just tryin to piss you guys off more now.....its not that hard
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mikeyP72 said:
What proof do we need?Jake is not better than Seneca or Colt. Colt, after 4 starts, 2 of which defeating the Patriots and Saints, has been pegged by more experts than not as the QB of the future for the Browns.
Jake cannot out perform a career backup in Seneca Wallace. He single handedly lost 2 close games with untimely INT's earler in the season and almost handed the game to the Carolina Panthers (1-12).
The numbers and facts don't lie.
Come out of the basement and put down the magic cape fruit cake. There's a whole big world out here with people and opinions and facts, this isn't make believe land.
this is your problem
after 4 games you are ready to can your QB.....rather than giving him time and weapons you would rather crush him and watch him cry on the bench
the stats only show what you want them to show......colt didnt have anything to do with the victories against the saints or the pats
you guys keep blaming the QB when the real problem is WRs......if they get open....if they make plays on the ball instead of not getting open and running terrible routes and dropping balls, anybody could start for the browns
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mikeyP72 said:
What proof do we need?Jake is not better than Seneca or Colt. Colt, after 4 starts, 2 of which defeating the Patriots and Saints, has been pegged by more experts than not as the QB of the future for the Browns.
Jake cannot out perform a career backup in Seneca Wallace. He single handedly lost 2 close games with untimely INT's earler in the season and almost handed the game to the Carolina Panthers (1-12).
The numbers and facts don't lie.
Come out of the basement and put down the magic cape fruit cake. There's a whole big world out here with people and opinions and facts, this isn't make believe land.
this is your problem
after 4 games you are ready to can your QB.....rather than giving him time and weapons you would rather crush him and watch him cry on the bench
the stats only show what you want them to show......colt didnt have anything to do with the victories against the saints or the pats
you guys keep blaming the QB when the real problem is WRs......if they get open....if they make plays on the ball instead of not getting open and running terrible routes and dropping balls, anybody could start for the browns
you guys keep blaming the QB when the real problem is WRs......if they get open....if they make plays on the ball instead of not getting open and running terrible routes and dropping balls, anybody could start for the browns
Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
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you guys keep blaming the QB when the real problem is WRs......if they get open....if they make plays on the ball instead of not getting open and running terrible routes and dropping balls, anybody could start for the browns
Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
You need a great quarterback in today's NFL, period. You need a guy who can win games for you, not just be a caretaker. It's a quarterback league and a passing league. Nobody's winning Super Bowls with Orton or Fitzpatrick or Delhomme. It's Brady, Manning, Brees, and Roethlisberger, like it or not. Right behind them are Rivers, Ryan, and Rodgers. If he ever gets consistent, maybe Sanchez. Right now, he's as often the problem as the solution.
The idea of being awesome everywhere else and only decent at the most important position in team sports is old fashioned. Hey, the Vikings have everything else but a quarterback. How'd they look last night? Welcome back to .500, the pre-Favre Vikings. Or the Jets last year, when they should have been 7-9 if not for two teams resting all their starters.
As Holmgren says over and over, you have to be able to pass the ball really well, week after week, to win in this league for very long. As Gruden says, if you don't have your quarterback, nothing else really matter.
"North of 90" is the saying now: If you can't pass for a rating above 90 in today's NFL, go home. Preferably 100. You need to complete about 65% for over 7, maybe over 7.5, and throw twice as many TDs as INTs. It equates to winning, period.
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you guys keep blaming the QB when the real problem is WRs......if they get open....if they make plays on the ball instead of not getting open and running terrible routes and dropping balls, anybody could start for the browns
Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
i am sure you guys understand the lack of talent at the WR position.....but i am not so sure you guys understand how detrimental they actually are to the team. the team got rid of its 2 best weapons in edwards and winslow......they replaced them with massaquoi and robiskie. are you kidding me? peyton manning and tom brady couldnt make those terrible receivers look good
steve smith is well past his prime and he is no longer the all pro caliber player that he was......not to mention the fact that they got rid of his other weapons and his tight ends were garbage
delhomme came to another team with no WRs and average TEs. it would be great to see him play with some talent at the WR position to see if he really is the problem or not
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Don't pay any attention to CantonLegend. He thought he knew what he was talking about, but he's been proven wrong.
Let's carry on with legitimate football talk and not homerism, thanks.
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Ok cantonreject its obvious your totaly on delhommes dick...maybe your actually jake himself disguised as some reject from canton posting on here tryin to safe miserable face.....when jake fades away into obscurity what will you do then go to the forum wherever he's the 3rd string QB at and try to tell those guys what a godsend he is? You win you've convinced me delhomme is bad ass..I can't wait to watch what he's gonna do in the pro bowl this season when he does have great recievers to showcase his talents, hell they should just stop wasting time and induct him into the hall of fame already..............now all we have to do is get the mods to change the name of this thread to.......................delhome the best QB in the NFL!!!!!!!!
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Ok cantonreject its obvious your totaly on delhommes dick...maybe your actually jake himself disguised as some reject from canton posting on here tryin to safe miserable face.....when jake fades away into obscurity what will you do then go to the forum wherever he's the 3rd string QB at and try to tell those guys what a godsend he is? You win you've convinced me delhomme is bad ass..I can't wait to watch what he's gonna do in the pro bowl this season when he does have great recievers to showcase his talents, hell they should just stop wasting time and induct him into the hall of fame already..............now all we have to do is get the mods to change the name of this thread to.......................delhome the best QB in the NFL!!!!!!!!
Ok cantonreject its obvious your totaly on delhommes dick...maybe your actually jake himself disguised as some reject from canton posting on here tryin to safe miserable face.....when jake fades away into obscurity what will you do then go to the forum wherever he's the 3rd string QB at and try to tell those guys what a godsend he is? You win you've convinced me delhomme is bad ass..I can't wait to watch what he's gonna do in the pro bowl this season when he does have great recievers to showcase his talents, hell they should just stop wasting time and induct him into the hall of fame already..............now all we have to do is get the mods to change the name of this thread to.......................delhome the best QB in the NFL!!!!!!!!
you are lowering the IQ of the other posters on this board
you've never posted anything insightful since ive been a member and you feed off trying to demean other members of the board.
i dont think delhomme is the best.....i never said he was.....in fact i wouldnt even put him in the top 20 QBs in the league right now....but i would put him above seneca and colt which are the only other options you guys have
its a shame that a debate cant stay civil with you morons and it has to turn into something personal every time i post......thats fine.....ive grown to expect nothing less from you clowns
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Don't pay any attention to CantonLegend. He thought he knew what he was talking about, but he's been proven wrong.
Let's carry on with legitimate football talk and not homerism, thanks.
Don't pay any attention to CantonLegend. He thought he knew what he was talking about, but he's been proven wrong.
Let's carry on with legitimate football talk and not homerism, thanks.
rooting for jake doesnt mean im not a browns fan or i dont know what im talking about.....it means im not a negative nancy about everything that he does
it means that im not going to blame jake for hillis' fumbles or the WR drops or the lack of any return game in special teams or the defense that is 22nd in the league
all it means is that im comfortable with jake as a starter and you arent
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Ok cantonreject its obvious your totaly on delhommes dick...maybe your actually jake himself disguised as some reject from canton posting on here tryin to safe miserable face.....when jake fades away into obscurity what will you do then go to the forum wherever he's the 3rd string QB at and try to tell those guys what a godsend he is? You win you've convinced me delhomme is bad ass..I can't wait to watch what he's gonna do in the pro bowl this season when he does have great recievers to showcase his talents, hell they should just stop wasting time and induct him into the hall of fame already..............now all we have to do is get the mods to change the name of this thread to.......................delhome the best QB in the NFL!!!!!!!!
you are lowering the IQ of the other posters on this board
you've never posted anything insightful since ive been a member and you feed off trying to demean other members of the board.
i dont think delhomme is the best.....i never said he was.....in fact i wouldnt even put him in the top 20 QBs in the league right now....but i would put him above seneca and colt which are the only other options you guys have
its a shame that a debate cant stay civil with you morons and it has to turn into something personal every time i post......thats fine.....ive grown to expect nothing less from you clowns
you are lowering the IQ of the other posters on this board
you've never posted anything insightful since ive been a member and you feed off trying to demean other members of the board.
i dont think delhomme is the best.....i never said he was.....in fact i wouldnt even put him in the top 20 QBs in the league right now....but i would put him above seneca and colt which are the only other options you guys have
its a shame that a debate cant stay civil with you morons and it has to turn into something personal every time i post......thats fine.....ive grown to expect nothing less from you clowns
So if everyone is a moron or a clown why are you here??..............attention whore maybe???
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you are lowering the IQ of the other posters on this board
you've never posted anything insightful since ive been a member and you feed off trying to demean other members of the board.
i dont think delhomme is the best.....i never said he was.....in fact i wouldnt even put him in the top 20 QBs in the league right now....but i would put him above seneca and colt which are the only other options you guys have
its a shame that a debate cant stay civil with you morons and it has to turn into something personal every time i post......thats fine.....ive grown to expect nothing less from you clowns
So if everyone is a moron or a clown why are you here??..............attention whore maybe???
So if everyone is a moron or a clown why are you here??..............attention whore maybe???
thought i could talk browns football......eventually i wise up
i cant say that everybody here is as dumb as the guys in this thread......but im having trouble finding them
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Do you really think that we don't know that our WRs are below average? Is Steve Smith average? Delhomme had him last year, how did that work out for him?
Listen, the Browns have a good defense and can run the ball very well. There is no need for your "game changer" (lofl). They need an efficient QB not a risk taker that absolutely kills them and does indeed change the game.
i am sure you guys understand the lack of talent at the WR position.....but i am not so sure you guys understand how detrimental they actually are to the team. the team got rid of its 2 best weapons in edwards and winslow......they replaced them with massaquoi and robiskie. are you kidding me? peyton manning and tom brady couldnt make those terrible receivers look good
steve smith is well past his prime and he is no longer the all pro caliber player that he was......not to mention the fact that they got rid of his other weapons and his tight ends were garbage
delhomme came to another team with no WRs and average TEs. it would be great to see him play with some talent at the WR position to see if he really is the problem or not
i am sure you guys understand the lack of talent at the WR position.....but i am not so sure you guys understand how detrimental they actually are to the team. the team got rid of its 2 best weapons in edwards and winslow......they replaced them with massaquoi and robiskie. are you kidding me? peyton manning and tom brady couldnt make those terrible receivers look good
steve smith is well past his prime and he is no longer the all pro caliber player that he was......not to mention the fact that they got rid of his other weapons and his tight ends were garbage
delhomme came to another team with no WRs and average TEs. it would be great to see him play with some talent at the WR position to see if he really is the problem or not
I lived through Derek Anderson last year, Delhomme looks no better this year. I think I know what washed up looks like. Immobile- and some of those pick sixes were forced into double coverage that had ZERO chance of being completed. You can't lay a 63 qb rating all on the wrs not getting open- if they're not, you throw the ball into the seats.
Peyton Manning is making Pierre Freaking Garcon look good. Brady has nothing outside of Wes Welker.
As to those trades, Ben Watson has better stats than Winslow, and his knee isn't shot. KWII was dumped because of attitude and the fact he'll be out of football in the next two years waiting for a total knee replacement.
You want to talk Edwards? He's "aura" was just too big for Cleveland, and he never wanted to be here. He's having a decent year- after they got him into AA and he isn't seeing three balls coming at him on gameday. And BTW, we effectively got Colt McCoy for Edwards. See me next year on who made out better on that deal.
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i am sure you guys understand the lack of talent at the WR position.....but i am not so sure you guys understand how detrimental they actually are to the team. the team got rid of its 2 best weapons in edwards and winslow......they replaced them with massaquoi and robiskie. are you kidding me? peyton manning and tom brady couldnt make those terrible receivers look good
steve smith is well past his prime and he is no longer the all pro caliber player that he was......not to mention the fact that they got rid of his other weapons and his tight ends were garbage
delhomme came to another team with no WRs and average TEs. it would be great to see him play with some talent at the WR position to see if he really is the problem or not
I lived through Derek Anderson last year, Delhomme looks no better this year. I think I know what washed up looks like. Immobile- and some of those pick sixes were forced into double coverage that had ZERO chance of being completed. You can't lay a 63 qb rating all on the wrs not getting open- if they're not, you throw the ball into the seats.
Peyton Manning is making Pierre Freaking Garcon look good. Brady has nothing outside of Wes Welker.
As to those trades, Ben Watson has better stats than Winslow, and his knee isn't shot. KWII was dumped because of attitude and the fact he'll be out of football in the next two years waiting for a total knee replacement.
You want to talk Edwards? He's "aura" was just too big for Cleveland, and he never wanted to be here. He's having a decent year- after they got him into AA and he isn't seeing three balls coming at him on gameday. And BTW, we effectively got Colt McCoy for Edwards. See me next year on who made out better on that deal.
I lived through Derek Anderson last year, Delhomme looks no better this year. I think I know what washed up looks like. Immobile- and some of those pick sixes were forced into double coverage that had ZERO chance of being completed. You can't lay a 63 qb rating all on the wrs not getting open- if they're not, you throw the ball into the seats.
you also cant lay it all on delhomme. its easy to say he should just throw it away....chances are you've never played QB. you cant just throw the ball away and your job is to make a play when there isnt one. jake tries to do that even when his WRs arent open......but his WRs not being open isnt his fault
Peyton Manning is making Pierre Freaking Garcon look good. Brady has nothing outside of Wes Welker.
peyton manning isnt making anybody look good this year........brady has deion branch, welker, 2 good young TEs, woodhead, and green-ellis. all of them are pretty good
As to those trades, Ben Watson has better stats than Winslow, and his knee isn't shot. KWII was dumped because of attitude and the fact he'll be out of football in the next two years waiting for a total knee replacement.
You want to talk Edwards? He's "aura" was just too big for Cleveland, and he never wanted to be here. He's having a decent year- after they got him into AA and he isn't seeing three balls coming at him on gameday. And BTW, we effectively got Colt McCoy for Edwards. See me next year on who made out better on that deal.
and when your leading receivers are your RB and TE it means you dont have any other options......i would bet that the browns are the only team in the league that has a TE and RB as the top 2 receivers on the team
edwards may have been a crappy guy....but he was a good WR. same with winslow.......his injuries are annoying but hes a far better receiver than anybody the browns have now.....including watson
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i also went back and watched every delhomme INT this season so far
i noticed 3 of his 7 have been because he was hit while he threw it
2 of them have been ridiculous plays by the defender.....one coming in the secondary against the buccs in the first game and the other coming against atlanta when the defender tipped it and then dove 5 yards to catch it
leaving 2 of them being bad decisions and the ones that you can really only blame on him
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So if everyone is a moron or a clown why are you here??..............attention whore maybe???
thought i could talk browns football......eventually i wise up
i cant say that everybody here is as dumb as the guys in this thread......but im having trouble finding them
thought i could talk browns football......eventually i wise up
i cant say that everybody here is as dumb as the guys in this thread......but im having trouble finding them
Ok then your just taking the arguementative point of view. You just don't know how to admit your wrong.......I get it now. You just need to choose another topic to do that with because Delhomme being the worst QB in the league right now is not even arguable. Everyone is perplexed by what is happening with the Browns' QB situation all the way down to htown. You are the only one taking this arguement.
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So Steve Smith is no good but Danny Woodhead and Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis are good and Delhomme is servicable? Riiiiiiigggghhhhhtttt. Your lone argument for Jake is that he has put up his horrible numbers against slightly better defenses. You are either fishing or very delusional. Either way, I am done with this conversation. Good luck with your quest.
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So Steve Smith is no good but Danny Woodhead and Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis are good and Delhomme is servicable? Riiiiiiigggghhhhhtttt. Your lone argument for Jake is that he has put up his horrible numbers against slightly better defenses. You are either fishing or very delusional. Either way, I am done with this conversation. Good luck with your quest.
So Steve Smith is no good but Danny Woodhead and Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis are good and Delhomme is servicable? Riiiiiiigggghhhhhtttt. Your lone argument for Jake is that he has put up his horrible numbers against slightly better defenses. You are either fishing or very delusional. Either way, I am done with this conversation. Good luck with your quest.
Delhomme is bad. There's really not much of a discussion here, except for the usual argument that everybody he plays is awesome and everybody playing with him is dreadful. The situation for Jake is the same in Cleveland as it was for rookie Colt McCoy, except McCoy played against better teams.
No, it's not an ideal cockpit, but it's not horrible, either. Our defense keeps us in games so we don't have to throw every down. We have Pro Bowlers at left tackle, center, and fullback. We have a really nice set of TEs and a 1,000-yard rusher who can catch, too. It could be a lot worse, honestly.
With our obvious weakness at WR, I wouldn't expect 400 yard games. I would expect 200 yard games with a high completion percentage and no turnovers... like McCoy. Next year, with Green or Jones and a better OC, I think we'll see a more serious passing offense, one that plays up to league standards.
Jake Delhomme is truly THAT bad. 11 TDs and 30 INTs starting with the 2008 playoffs? There's just no way to overstate it. He's an old quarterback with the arm of an old quarterback... but the decision making of a rookie. Under pressure, Delhomme is just as bad as I've ever seen for a combination of reasons.
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