Jets - Steelers

[ClevelandFanForLife]

@bob806 said:

It's going to be Steelers-Bears my friend.

if that happens, just give the steelers the superbowl trophy now. chicago would be the worst team to ever play in a superbowl.

[The Gipper]

Formerly Sane said:

Quite frankly Gipper, your responses are so bazaar I can't even find the words to defuse them.

Light years between Ben and Mark.....LIGHT YEARS!

ONLY when it comes to as I said their "resume". When it comes to actual Quarterbacking skills I simply have to say "Not so fast my friend", I am not sure at this point that BR is a more accurate passer, a better reader of defenses, etc. Sure, BR has those two rings, but this is only Sanchez 2d season, and he is already playing in his second conference championship, so his resume contains some stuff too. As I said, I do give the strong edge to BR, but it is more like a few lengths (using horse racing terminology).

As far as the RB's against the D Steelers!

Again, light years between Reavis and Polamalu.....LIGHT YEARS Reavis does one component of the total better than TP, TP does ALL the rest better than DR......LIGHT YEARS! Any QB would tell you that....with DR, you simply don't throw at him, with TP, you have to worry every single play about him.......LIGHT YEARS

Again, here, this is simply your boner for TP talking. Does he do some things different than Reavis? Sure. He might tackle and blitz better than Reavis. (though I can't tell you how many times I saw him whiff on tackles in that game vs. the ratbirds), but the 90% job of a DB is to stop the other teams WRs. Reavis does that better than anyone.

I will grant you one thing that Froggiegirlyman does better than Reavis: Show off by running around with his silly hair flying.

[calfoxwc]

Quite frankly Gipper, your responses are so bazaar I can't even find the words to defuse them.

Light years between Ben and Mark.....LIGHT YEARS! Formerly Intelligent

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A "bazaar" is a marketplace. A "bizarre" response is a response that is strange.

You would get lost in a small bazaar because you are bizarre.

No surprise, just settin the record straight...

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@clevelandfanforlife said:

How are his chances nil of beating the Steelers in Pittsburgh? He already beat them there and is coming in with a lot of momentum.

Game is a Toss up... Turnovers and special Teams will determine winner. Not the home Crowd... Home crowd no a big deal in a Conference Title game.

[BUNSofSTEEL08]

@dawgpound3 said:

QB against the D.....Huge advantage Steelers Yepper

RBs against the D .....Advantage Tie - Mendenhall is a pretty good runner, but LT and Greene are also a good combo AGREED

WRs against the D .....I'll take the Jets because Edwards and Holmes are much better than Brown, and Sanders, and an aging ward(who is still reliable) You forgot WALLACE ... I say TIE

OL Against the D.......I'll take the Jets. They can run block and pass block excellently JETS LINE SOLID

DL against the O.....Advantage Steelers SLIGHT

LBs against the O......slight advantage Steelers( Steelers LB are faster, and the Jets LB are slightly slower, but still good) STEELERS Significantly Better

DB......Two words......Darrelle Revis... he is much more a game-changer than Polamalu. How many elite cornerbacks are in the league? I'll give you an answer: only one and his name is Revis.... AC also above Average..Jets the Better DBs... But Revis MORE of a Game Changer than Troy ? I dont buy that

Special teams........Advantage Jets could be a difference maker

[DieHardBrownsFan]

I don't give a damn who wins, but FUKC the Squealers. That is all.

[WRREBEL]

Yeah either way you look at this game its pretty evenly matched.. They both have physical defenses..

who ever gets the breaks, turn overs and field position wins

[miktoxic]

@wrrebel said:

who ever gets the breaks

well we all know which team that will be (cough!! via refs. cough!!! cough!!!)

[The Gipper]

@bunsofsteel08 said:

Game is a Toss up... Turnovers and special Teams will determine winner. Not the home Crowd... Home crowd no a big deal in a Conference Title game.

Yes, I agree. That is essentially what I said. Note that I also said that the Steelers have had the better of it this season in TO ratio. Just look at last week's game.

[The Gipper]

@bunsofsteel08 said:

Game is a Toss up... Turnovers and special Teams will determine winner. Not the home Crowd... Home crowd no a big deal in a Conference Title game.

Yes, I agree. That is essentially what I said. Note that I also said that the Steelers have had the better of it this season in TO ratio. Just look at last week's game.

[WRREBEL]

What do you get when you eat a Roethlisberger?

GANG GREEN!

[silverbackattack]

It's the draft. Cleveland has been so insanely inept at drafting, that anyone

could do better if they picked up a predraft magazine or looked at a website

minutes before the draft.

I am not kidding. Browns have been _that_ bad at drafting since, well, since

the 1980s. Just look at who they picked, especially the super high picks

they accumulate each year for having such a horrible record - almost

every single season. With picks that high, they should be able to luck

into drafting some probowl-level players. But no - they still screw up the picks.

2010 might be the first decent draft that have had in over 25 years.

2010 1 1 7 7 Joe Haden DB Florida - maybe the first decent first round pick

since.....I don't even know when.

2 2 6 38 T.J. Ward DB Oregon - Seems decent too.

3 2 27 59 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee - Horrid pick and they gave up a bunch

of picks to get him. He will never be healthy for any length of time and I warned Browns fans of this

as soon as they drafted him.

4 3 21 85 Colt McCoy QB Texas - Could be a steal. We will see if he doesn't

end up having his career ruined just from being in Cle, ala Tim Couch. Couch was considered a can't

miss prospect, but just being in Cle ruined his entire career. He ended up having a pop gun arm

and too weak of a character. Didn't he literally cry about the fans being too mean to him? 5-8 are

all nobodies.

5 3 28 92 Shawn Lauvao G Arizona State

6 5 29 160 Larry Asante DB Nebraska

7 6 8 177 Carlton Mitchell WR South Florida

8 6 17 186 Clifton Geathers DE South Carolina

2009 1 1 21 21 Alex Mack C California

2 2 4 36 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State - A bum so far. Just not good, period.

3 2 18 50 Mohammed Massoquoi WR Georgia - Hasn't done anything. 4 - 8 all bums.

4 2 20 52 David Veikune DE Hawaii

5 4 4 104 Kaluka Maiava LB USC

6 6 4 177 Don Carey DB Norfolk State

7 6 18 191 Coye Francies DB San Jose State

8 6 22 195 James Davis RB Clemson

2008 1 4 5 104 Beau Bell LB Nevada-Las Vegas - Who?

2 4 12 111 Martin Rucker TE Missouri - Who?

3 6 24 190 Ahtyba Rubin DT Iowa State - Who?

4 6 25 191 Paul Hubbard WR Wisconsin - Who?

5 7 24 231 Alex Hall DE St. Augustine's - Who? All rubbish. How can ANYONE draft

this shi--y?

2007 1 1 3 3 Joe Thomas T Wisconsin - Good.

2 1 22 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame - Garbage. Horrible pick. What a waste.

3 2 21 53 Eric Wright DB Nevada-Las Vegas - OK. 4 -7 all bums.

4 5 3 140 Brandon McDonald DB Memphis

5 6 26 200 Melila Purcell DE Hawaii

6 7 3 213 Chase Pittman DE Louisiana State

7 7 24 234 Syndric Steptoe WR Arizona

2006 1 1 13 13 Kamerion Wimbley LB Florida State - Decent now, as a Raider!

2 2 2 34 D'Qwell Jackson LB Maryland - bust

3 3 14 78 Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma - bust

4 4 13 110 Leon Williams LB Miami (FL) - bust

5 4 15 112 Isaac Sowells G Indiana - bust

6 5 12 145 Jerome Harrison RB Washington State - decent but Cle traded him for nothing

7 5 20 152 DeMario Minter DB Georgia

8 6 11 180 Lawrence Vickers RB Colorado

9 6 12 181 Baba Oshinowo DT Stanford

10 7 14 222 Justin Hamilton DB Virginia Tech

2005 1 1 3 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan - Decent, as a JET!

2 2 2 34 Brodney Pool DB Oklahoma - eeeeee

3 3 3 67 Charlie Frye QB Akron - garbage.

4 4 2 103 Antonio Perkins DB Oklahoma - who?

I don't even need to go on. It is powerfully evident that Browns suck at drafting so bad, it

appears they are TRYING to suck. Wasn't Courtney Brown supposed to be a hall of famer?

He sucked. So did William Green. Tim Couch? My God, it is amazing one team could

have that many super horrible high draft picks.

5 5 3 139 David McMillan DE Kansas

6 6 2 176 Nick Speegle LB New Mexico

7 6 29 203 Andrew Hoffman DT Virginia

8 7 3 217 Jon Dunn T Virginia Tech

2004 1 1 6 6 Kellen Winslow Jr TE Miami (FL) - Decent, for TAMPA!

2 2 27 59 Sean Jones DB Georgia - ok

3 4 10 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech - rubbish

4 5 29 161 Amon Gordon DE Stanford

5 6 11 176 Kirk Chambers G Stanford

6 7 7 208 Adimchinobe Echemandu RB California

2003 1 1 21 21 Jeff Faine C Notre Dame

2 2 20 52 Chaun Thompson LB West Texas State

3 3 20 84 Chris Crocker DB Marshall

4 4 18 115 Lee Suggs RB Virginia Tech

5 5 7 142 Ryan Pontbriand C Rice

6 5 17 152 Michael Lehan DB Minnesota

7 6 22 195 Antonio Garay DE Boston College

2002 1 1 16 16 William Green RB Boston College

2 2 15 47 Andre Davis WR Virginia Tech

3 3 11 76 Melvin Fowler C Maryland

4 4 3 101 Kevin Bentley LB Northwestern

5 4 13 111 Ben Taylor LB Virginia Tech

6 4 24 122 Darnell Sanders TE Ohio State

7 5 6 141 Andra Davis LB Florida

8 7 16 227 Joaquin Gonzalez T Miami (FL)

2001 1 1 3 3 Gerard Warren DT Florida

2 2 2 33 Quincy Morgan WR Kansas State

3 3 3 65 James Jackson RB Miami (FL)

4 4 2 97 Anthony Henry DB South Florida

5 5 3 134 Jeremiah Pharms LB Washington

6 6 2 165 Michael Jameson DB Texas A&M

7 7 3 203 Paul Zukauskas G Boston College

8 7 45 245 Andre King WR Miami (FL)

2000 1 1 1 1 Courtney Brown DE Penn State

2 2 1 32 Dennis Northcutt WR Arizona

3 3 1 63 Travis Prentice RB Miami (OH)

4 3 17 79 JaJuan Dawson WR Tulane

5 4 1 95 Lewis Sanders DB Maryland

6 4 16 110 Aaron Shea TE Michigan

7 5 1 130 Anthony Malbrough DB Texas Tech

8 5 17 146 Lamar Chapman DB Kansas State

9 6 17 183 Spergon Wynn QB Southwest Texas State

10 6 40 206 Brad Bedell G Colorado

11 7 1 207 Manuia Savea G Arizona

12 7 3 209 Eric Chandler DE Jackson State

13 7 19 225 Rashidi Barnes DB Colorado

1999 1 1 1 1 Tim Couch QB Kentucky

2 2 1 32 Kevin Johnson WR Syracuse

3 2 14 45 Rahim Abdullah LB Clemson

4 3 1 62 Daylon McCutcheon DB USC

5 3 15 76 Marquis Smith DB California

6 4 29 124 Wali Rainer LB Virginia

7 5 15 148 Darrin Chiaverini WR Colorado

8 6 5 174 Marcus Spriggs DT Troy State

9 6 18 187 Kendall Ogle LB Maryland

10 6 22 191 James Dearth TE Tarleton State

11 7 1 207 Madre Hill RB Arkansas

[BrownsBacker]

Yep. Do you feel smart for realizing the blatantly obvious?

[silverbackattack]

@brownsbacker said:

Yep. Do you feel smart for realizing the blatantly obvious?

Do you feel dumb for not?

[ATENEARS]

Actually, you exposed that you don't have a complete clue of the worth of some of the later round players.

These high-selected players have sucked because we have not been able to establish any consistency since our expansion, and just about anyone would have failed in the system. Also, Big Ben would have sucked here.

It is also stupid to blame in hindsight. Noticed how you listed just about every selected recently as a decent pick? ... oh, except of course a player who hasn't seen a down yet because of injury.

Who should we pick this season, loverboy?

[The Gipper]

Silverback: I agree that the Browns drafting is part of the problem we have had around here, but it is only a portion of the problem. The dysfunction in the organization overall and the inability of the coaches, be they HCs or OC/DCs to put their stamp on the organization are probably far, far more of a problem.

Counter that with the Steelers who have had extraordinary stability in an organization with the Rooney business model, plus, they have had a coach on that team who has essentially, in my mind the end all and be all of the Steelers success. And I am not talking about Tomlin or Cowher before that, but I am talking about LeBeau.

My contention all along has been that he does what Bum Phillips always talked about: (He can take his'n and beat your'n or he can take your'n and beat his'n). In the recent times that the Steelers have had success it has been with LeBeau as the Steelers DC. I believe that he could take those guys that you listed the Browns as having drafted and got very nearly the same success out of them that he got out of the guys that he has had.

[Vagitron]

First off you two it's REVIS! not REAVIS. As far as those two are concerned and changing games it's Troy Polamalu but a SUBSTANTIAL margin. Revis is asked to shut down the number one guy. Doesn't come up in run support often, doesn't float in coverage, doesn't blitz anywhere close to as much. Revis is one hell of a player but he doesn't have the impact that Polamalu does on a opposing offense. As far as Ben is concerned it's light years. You can't argue otherwise and shouldn't argue otherwise and the fact that you are highlights one thing Gipper. You're still wearing the Brown colored glasses.

[WRREBEL]

Homotron said:

First off you two it's REVIS! not REAVIS. As far as those two are concerned and changing games it's Troy Polamalu but a SUBSTANTIAL margin. Revis is asked to shut down the number one guy. Doesn't come up in run support often, doesn't float in coverage, doesn't blitz anywhere close to as much. Revis is one hell of a player but he doesn't have the impact that Polamalu does on a opposing offense. As far as Ben is concerned it's light years. You can't argue otherwise and shouldn't argue otherwise and the fact that you are highlights one thing Gipper. You're still wearing the Brown colored glasses.

This game is such an even match up, it will come down to turn overs.. I agree gayben is better than Sanchez, but the Jets oline also is alot stronger.

if this guy plays well, the jets win.

[Slurp and Burp]

The Browns have been a has been team since the NL merger. Modell was their only hope but they told him to go f-ck himself and said no to a new stadium while investing in new venues for the Cavaliers and Indians. And Cleveland calls itself a football town? this football town just cannot compete at the elite level and with Holmgren (who will retire in 2-3 years) they won't anytime soon.

[Vagitron]

@wrrebel said:

This game is such an even match up, it will come down to turn overs.. I agree gayben is better than Sanchez, but the Jets oline also is alot stronger.

if this guy plays well, the jets win.

No team has run the ball on the Pittsburgh Steelers and there isn't a better core of LB's in the league. Add in the fact that the Pittsburgh defense is the consensus number one D in the league all leads to one thing. The game being placed on Sanchez and I don't believe Sanchez will handle the pressure in Pittsburgh against a hungry defense. The Pittsburgh offense is also much better. The Jets have a long, hard road ahead of them and I don't believe the teams are all that evenly matched when you factor in the Pittsburgh defense. If anything we're most evenly matched with Baltimore.