Phil Dawson is Still a Brown!
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Good for Phil. But it's an Oakland/Cincy move. Who franchises a fooking kicker?!?!
New england did it in 05 with vinatieri then drafted Gostkowski the following year.
I think that worked out well for them.
Maybe we aren't use to having management that think ahead.
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New england did it in 05 with vinatieri then drafted Gostkowski the following year.
I think that worked out well for them.
Maybe we aren't use to having management that think ahead.
I'm trying not to get carried away this soon into the offseason but I just haven't liked anything they have done since the season ended. Phil is a kicker. Great guy, good kicker, but he's a kicker. There is no need to franchise him unless they are just doing him a personal favor for enduring this crap his entire career. I'm okay with that. But as a football move on it's own, it makes no sense.
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oh great we have an ordinary kicker at the end of his career as our franchise player,,,,,,,,,,why do I think this is not good news
Because you're a Steeler fan?
Ordinary? Buy a CLUE Rich. Dawson has moved into the top 50 all time points scored (#43 to be exact). He's in the TOP 10 career field goal accuracy- ahead of Adam Vinaterri I may add. This is one time I'll say the guy deserves every damn cent.
And as others have said, great kickers can last 20 years or so. Seven of the top ten guys in most games played were kickers (Morten Anderson tops the list) my dear friend. Dawson passes Don Cockroft this year in points scored- and if the Browns finally start playing decent- he has a legit shot at topping Lou Groza down the road.
In fact (regardless of who he plays for) me and Zombo (I hope) will allow you redemption on the Willie Green- Clarett bet. Buck for every point over under career on Dawson vs. Groza. Right now, that's $545 IOU. Seasonal updates will be prominently posted.
Because you're a Steeler fan?
Ordinary? Buy a CLUE Rich. Dawson has moved into the top 50 all time points scored (#43 to be exact). He's in the TOP 10 career field goal accuracy- ahead of Adam Vinaterri I may add. This is one time I'll say the guy deserves every damn cent.
And as others have said, great kickers can last 20 years or so. Seven of the top ten guys in most games played were kickers (Morten Anderson tops the list) my dear friend. Dawson passes Don Cockroft this year in points scored- and if the Browns finally start playing decent- he has a legit shot at topping Lou Groza down the road.
In fact (regardless of who he plays for) me and Zombo (I hope) will allow you redemption on the Willie Green- Clarett bet. Buck for every point over under career on Dawson vs. Groza. Right now, that's $545 IOU. Seasonal updates will be prominently posted.
I don't get this? I Love Dawson and he deserves to get paid yet why would you NOT negotiate with him and then OVERPAY him and use the franchise tag? 1) I think this is a ONE year deal. Take your money this year while we fish for another kicker. Why not give him a bonus and pay him less, he may prove to be viable for more than one year. this way it is definitely one year and GONE.
If we sign him for 2 years for 2 mil each year maybe he plays so good we keep him BOTH years. I wonder by overpaying we have guarenteed dawson is gone after this year. had to put a bad spin on it.
I want dawson This year and maybe beyond. he may be one of those guys who can kick another three years very effectively. sadly, by overpaying This year all i think is we have committed(Front Office) to a ONE YEAR DEAL and gone. Short term thinking. I would rather have tendered a two year deal with an option for THREE.
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Field Goal Accuracy Leaders among active kickers:
1. Nate Kaeding (28) 86.500% 2004-2010 sdg
2. Shayne Graham (33) 85.950% 2001-2010 5TM
3. Garrett Hartley (24) 85.714% 2008-2010 nor
4. Rob Bironas (32) 85.561% 2005-2010 oti
5. Robbie Gould (28) 85.484% 2005-2010 chi
6. Stephen Gostkowski (26) 84.328% 2006-2010 nwe
7. Ryan Longwell (36) 83.498% 1997-2010 2TM
8. Phil Dawson (35) 83.168% 1999-2010 cle
9. Matt Bryant (35) 82.775% 2002-2010 5TM
10. Adam Vinatieri (38) 82.727% 1996-2010 2TM
11. John Carney (46) 82.414% 1988-2010 7TM
12. Jay Feely (34) 82.258% 2001-2010 5TM
13. Jeff Reed (31) 82.239% 2002-2010 2TM
14. Jason Hanson (40) 81.903% 1992-2010 det
15. David Akers (36) 81.894% 1998-2010 2TM
16. John Kasay (41) 81.853% 1991-2010 2TM
17. Ryan Succop (24) 81.818% 2009-2010 kan
18. Josh Brown (31) 81.557% 2003-2010 2TM
19. Olindo Mare (37) 81.390% 1997-2010 3TM
20. Lawrence Tynes (32) 81.176% 2004-2010 2TM
21. Dan Carpenter (25) 80.851% 2008-2010 mia
Gip, is there a way to find out his stats on kicks over 40 yards?
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New england did it in 05 with vinatieri then drafted Gostkowski the following year.
I think that worked out well for them.
Maybe we aren't use to having management that think ahead.
I'm trying not to get carried away this soon into the offseason but I just haven't liked anything they have done since the season ended. Phil is a kicker. Great guy, good kicker, but he's a kicker. There is no need to franchise him unless they are just doing him a personal favor for enduring this crap his entire career. I'm okay with that. But as a football move on it's own, it makes no sense.
I'm trying not to get carried away this soon into the offseason but I just haven't liked anything they have done since the season ended. Phil is a kicker. Great guy, good kicker, but he's a kicker. There is no need to franchise him unless they are just doing him a personal favor for enduring this crap his entire career. I'm okay with that. But as a football move on it's own, it makes no sense.
The answer is kind of simple: each team is allowed to put the franchise tag on 1 player per year who is one of their free agents. If you have a good player in any particular year and you want to keep him and not see him walk you "tag" him...as long as you are willing to pay the price for that player of the top 5 players at that position in the league.
In this case the Browns had no other players of theirs who are free agents that they wanted to pay that kind of price for.....except Dawson. And if a team believes he is worth being paid in the top 5 in the league at his position why the eff not tag him? So they did. NOBODY else was going to get tagged, so use it or lose it.
Like I said, the only question to me is whether or not paying a kicker 3 mill may hurt in terms of the total salary cap you would use on your team.
One of the issues in the new NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement that expires this year is that most of the owners are going to push to be allowed to also use a franchise tag on a player. If they have a player that is a free agent they will be able to tag him and have him for at least another year....while they work on a possible contract extension.
Imagine if they had this in the NBA: the Cavs could have franchised Whatshisphuk, the Raptors could have franchised Bosh, the Nuggets could have franchised Carmelo, Minnesota could have franchised Garnett OK City could franchise Durant, Orlando could franchise Dwight Howard.
It would allow these teams to keep their quality players instead of losing them to the Lakerphuks, or the Bullshitassholes, or the Knickerpussies or the SickoCeltics etc.
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Who else were they going to tag?
I don't know that I'd consider a 13 year veteran kicker to be on the downside of their career. Many kickers last forever.
Lou Groza, greatest kicker of all-time lasted 21 years. To me kicking is not as rough as other positions. Not saying it isn't as important, just that they aren't physically active as much. Keep the leg healthy and stay in shape. They don't need to worry about getting hit like other positions, and the running is a minimum. He doesn't seem to be struggling, and I'd take Phil over a rookie any day...
Lou Groza, greatest kicker of all-time lasted 21 years. To me kicking is not as rough as other positions. Not saying it isn't as important, just that they aren't physically active as much. Keep the leg healthy and stay in shape. They don't need to worry about getting hit like other positions, and the running is a minimum. He doesn't seem to be struggling, and I'd take Phil over a rookie any day...
Lou Groza was way more than a kicker he was a hall of fame left tackle and a kicker who actually made the first contact downfield on his kick offs................but that may escape you. Lou Groza was the best of the best for a long long time.................
I like Phil Dawson and love his long tenure. But we are not a good football team yet. Worse, kickers are not a dime a dozen rather three dozen for a penny except for a very few. Last year the great fruitcake loser Jeff Reed was the hero in Pittsburgh and now he is shoveling bandanas in the gay part of San Francisco. The Steelers picked a guy off the street and never missed a beat.........they made the BOWL
So, next time I hear franchising a 13 year vet journeyman kicker is a good idea it is another nail in the coffin of a fan base gone brain dead...........not to mention Management
I cannot imagine why Holmgren and co did this..............
I would love to see the rationale
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
I'm trying not to get carried away this soon into the offseason but I just haven't liked anything they have done since the season ended. Phil is a kicker. Great guy, good kicker, but he's a kicker. There is no need to franchise him unless they are just doing him a personal favor for enduring this crap his entire career. I'm okay with that. But as a football move on it's own, it makes no sense.
The answer is kind of simple: each team is allowed to put the franchise tag on 1 player per year who is one of their free agents. If you have a good player in any particular year and you want to keep him and not see him walk you "tag" him...as long as you are willing to pay the price for that player of the top 5 players at that position in the league.
In this case the Browns had no other players of theirs who are free agents that they wanted to pay that kind of price for.....except Dawson. And if a team believes he is worth being paid in the top 5 in the league at his position why the eff not tag him? So they did. NOBODY else was going to get tagged, so use it or lose it.
Like I said, the only question to me is whether or not paying a kicker 3 mill may hurt in terms of the total salary cap you would use on your team.
One of the issues in the new NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement that expires this year is that most of the owners are going to push to be allowed to also use a franchise tag on a player. If they have a player that is a free agent they will be able to tag him and have him for at least another year....while they work on a possible contract extension.
Imagine if they had this in the NBA: the Cavs could have franchised Whatshisphuk, the Raptors could have franchised Bosh, the Nuggets could have franchised Carmelo, Minnesota could have franchised Garnett OK City could franchise Durant, Orlando could franchise Dwight Howard.
It would allow these teams to keep their quality players instead of losing them to the Lakerphuks, or the Bullshitassholes, or the Knickerpussies or the SickoCeltics etc.
The answer is kind of simple: each team is allowed to put the franchise tag on 1 player per year who is one of their free agents. If you have a good player in any particular year and you want to keep him and not see him walk you "tag" him...as long as you are willing to pay the price for that player of the top 5 players at that position in the league.
In this case the Browns had no other players of theirs who are free agents that they wanted to pay that kind of price for.....except Dawson. And if a team believes he is worth being paid in the top 5 in the league at his position why the eff not tag him? So they did. NOBODY else was going to get tagged, so use it or lose it.
Like I said, the only question to me is whether or not paying a kicker 3 mill may hurt in terms of the total salary cap you would use on your team.
One of the issues in the new NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement that expires this year is that most of the owners are going to push to be allowed to also use a franchise tag on a player. If they have a player that is a free agent they will be able to tag him and have him for at least another year....while they work on a possible contract extension.
Imagine if they had this in the NBA: the Cavs could have franchised Whatshisphuk, the Raptors could have franchised Bosh, the Nuggets could have franchised Carmelo, Minnesota could have franchised Garnett OK City could franchise Durant, Orlando could franchise Dwight Howard.
It would allow these teams to keep their quality players instead of losing them to the Lakerphuks, or the Bullshitassholes, or the Knickerpussies or the SickoCeltics etc.
Good take, but YOU do NOT have to franchise any player...........and nobody is going to offer Phil Dawson a huge sum of money. He is NOT a great kicker, he is a consistent good kicker who is getting old. I cannot believe this team does not have one player of enough quality to franchise except an old kicker
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
With the make up of the current Browns roster it's safe to say they wont be blowing teams out with any consistency..
This is a smart move, in that, an accurate kicker can win a lot of close games for a marginal team..
Once the Browns get enough impact players, that might be the right time to add a young leg to just suppliment the offense...
At this point Dawson is our most ligitimate scorer.. Glad to have him here..
Peace
T.Dawg
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He may deserve it, but is he worth it? Does he still have the leg to kick +50 yd FG's?
He kicked and made a 58 yard field goal during the preseason win over Green Bay. The way I see it all the FA that are going out are not worth top pay in the league, Phil is one of the top kickers in this league and to resign him you would have to pay him over 2 million anyway. At this point they would have to hammer out a deal BEFORE the CBA expires on the 4th and I have yet to see a contract ever get signed in two weeks. They only had a few days to place the franchise tag and if they didn't and they wanted to keep him they would have to take a gamble and hope that they could hammer out a deal before it is too late. They made a smart move by just giving him an extra million in order to make sure that he will be back next season and to give them the ability to resign Phil next year to a contract instead of another franchise tag.
Phil is one of the top kickers only making slightly more now than he deserves and we now have a chance to resign Phil next season. Smart move by management.
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The answer is kind of simple: each team is allowed to put the franchise tag on 1 player per year who is one of their free agents. If you have a good player in any particular year and you want to keep him and not see him walk you "tag" him...as long as you are willing to pay the price for that player of the top 5 players at that position in the league.
In this case the Browns had no other players of theirs who are free agents that they wanted to pay that kind of price for.....except Dawson. And if a team believes he is worth being paid in the top 5 in the league at his position why the eff not tag him? So they did. NOBODY else was going to get tagged, so use it or lose it.
Like I said, the only question to me is whether or not paying a kicker 3 mill may hurt in terms of the total salary cap you would use on your team.
One of the issues in the new NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement that expires this year is that most of the owners are going to push to be allowed to also use a franchise tag on a player. If they have a player that is a free agent they will be able to tag him and have him for at least another year....while they work on a possible contract extension.
Imagine if they had this in the NBA: the Cavs could have franchised Whatshisphuk, the Raptors could have franchised Bosh, the Nuggets could have franchised Carmelo, Minnesota could have franchised Garnett OK City could franchise Durant, Orlando could franchise Dwight Howard.
It would allow these teams to keep their quality players instead of losing them to the Lakerphuks, or the Bullshitassholes, or the Knickerpussies or the SickoCeltics etc.
Good take, but YOU do NOT have to franchise any player...........and nobody is going to offer Phil Dawson a huge sum of money. He is NOT a great kicker, he is a consistent good kicker who is getting old. I cannot believe this team does not have one player of enough quality to franchise except an old kicker
Good take, but YOU do NOT have to franchise any player. I know you don't HAVE to, but if you want to, the option is there....
......and nobody is going to offer Phil Dawson a huge sum of money. He is NOT a great kicker, he is a consistent good kicker who is getting old. See my prior posts, almost all the good ones have quite a few years on them.
I cannot believe this team does not have one player of enough quality to franchise except an old kicker. They may, but none of them apparently are free agents this year.
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Lou Groza, greatest kicker of all-time lasted 21 years. To me kicking is not as rough as other positions. Not saying it isn't as important, just that they aren't physically active as much. Keep the leg healthy and stay in shape. They don't need to worry about getting hit like other positions, and the running is a minimum. He doesn't seem to be struggling, and I'd take Phil over a rookie any day...
Lou Groza was way more than a kicker he was a hall of fame left tackle and a kicker who actually made the first contact downfield on his kick offs................but that may escape you. Lou Groza was the best of the best for a long long time.................
I like Phil Dawson and love his long tenure. But we are not a good football team yet. Worse, kickers are not a dime a dozen rather three dozen for a penny except for a very few. Last year the great fruitcake loser Jeff Reed was the hero in Pittsburgh and now he is shoveling bandanas in the gay part of San Francisco. The Steelers picked a guy off the street and never missed a beat.........they made the BOWL
So, next time I hear franchising a 13 year vet journeyman kicker is a good idea it is another nail in the coffin of a fan base gone brain dead...........not to mention Management
I cannot imagine why Holmgren and co did this..............
I would love to see the rationale
Lou Groza was way more than a kicker he was a hall of fame left tackle and a kicker who actually made the first contact downfield on his kick offs................but that may escape you. Lou Groza was the best of the best for a long long time.................
I like Phil Dawson and love his long tenure. But we are not a good football team yet. Worse, kickers are not a dime a dozen rather three dozen for a penny except for a very few. Last year the great fruitcake loser Jeff Reed was the hero in Pittsburgh and now he is shoveling bandanas in the gay part of San Francisco. The Steelers picked a guy off the street and never missed a beat.........they made the BOWL
So, next time I hear franchising a 13 year vet journeyman kicker is a good idea it is another nail in the coffin of a fan base gone brain dead...........not to mention Management
I cannot imagine why Holmgren and co did this..............
I would love to see the rationale
What does phil dawson have in common with the steelers? Nothing! So why bring them into your argument?! Plus the steelers kicker missed a crucial field goal in the super bowl and was anything but clutch.. Kickers are "3 dozen for a penny except for a few?" What a load of crap! No one here is saying that the kicker is the most important player on the team (or even close) but you need a good, consistent kicker to win close games. The browns had no one else to tag. Why waste a draft pick on a new kicker or take some leftover kicker in free agency when you have a great one that you can keep?
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Lou Groza, greatest kicker of all-time lasted 21 years. To me kicking is not as rough as other positions. Not saying it isn't as important, just that they aren't physically active as much. Keep the leg healthy and stay in shape. They don't need to worry about getting hit like other positions, and the running is a minimum. He doesn't seem to be struggling, and I'd take Phil over a rookie any day...
Lou Groza was way more than a kicker he was a hall of fame left tackle and a kicker who actually made the first contact downfield on his kick offs................but that may escape you. Lou Groza was the best of the best for a long long time.................
I like Phil Dawson and love his long tenure. But we are not a good football team yet. Worse, kickers are not a dime a dozen rather three dozen for a penny except for a very few. Last year the great fruitcake loser Jeff Reed was the hero in Pittsburgh and now he is shoveling bandanas in the gay part of San Francisco. The Steelers picked a guy off the street and never missed a beat.........they made the BOWL
So, next time I hear franchising a 13 year vet journeyman kicker is a good idea it is another nail in the coffin of a fan base gone brain dead...........not to mention Management
I cannot imagine why Holmgren and co did this..............
I would love to see the rationale
Lou Groza was way more than a kicker he was a hall of fame left tackle and a kicker who actually made the first contact downfield on his kick offs................but that may escape you. Lou Groza was the best of the best for a long long time.................
I like Phil Dawson and love his long tenure. But we are not a good football team yet. Worse, kickers are not a dime a dozen rather three dozen for a penny except for a very few. Last year the great fruitcake loser Jeff Reed was the hero in Pittsburgh and now he is shoveling bandanas in the gay part of San Francisco. The Steelers picked a guy off the street and never missed a beat.........they made the BOWL
So, next time I hear franchising a 13 year vet journeyman kicker is a good idea it is another nail in the coffin of a fan base gone brain dead...........not to mention Management
I cannot imagine why Holmgren and co did this..............
I would love to see the rationale
and your kicker was TERRIBLE! He missed a fg 50yds left and was not even close
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most teams do not franchise a 36 yr old kicker for $3.25M per year unless they have all of the other pieces in place to make a run at a championship.
Looks like the Browns have realized that touchdowns are out of reach and field goals are the norm.
Holmgren has a total of 5 wins since assuming command of the Browns organization. Mikey is in way over his head - can you say clueless and collecting a fat paycheck?
Seneca Wallace? Jake Delhomme? Phil Dawson? 5 wins? too damn funny! The Browns always hire the least qualified personnel.
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Lou Groza was way more than a kicker he was a hall of fame left tackle and a kicker who actually made the first contact downfield on his kick offs................but that may escape you. Lou Groza was the best of the best for a long long time.................
I like Phil Dawson and love his long tenure. But we are not a good football team yet. Worse, kickers are not a dime a dozen rather three dozen for a penny except for a very few. Last year the great fruitcake loser Jeff Reed was the hero in Pittsburgh and now he is shoveling bandanas in the gay part of San Francisco. The Steelers picked a guy off the street and never missed a beat.........they made the BOWL
So, next time I hear franchising a 13 year vet journeyman kicker is a good idea it is another nail in the coffin of a fan base gone brain dead...........not to mention Management
I cannot imagine why Holmgren and co did this..............
I would love to see the rationale
and your kicker was TERRIBLE! He missed a fg 50yds left and was not even close
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You seem to have a love of.................periods......................................................
...............steelers.....................................suck
and your kicker was TERRIBLE! He missed a fg 50yds left and was not even close
I guess it's easy to say kickers arent worth anything when the one you have on your team sucks and played a big part in losing the biggest game of the year.
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Lol....wow....
Franchising a kicker......woooooow.....
The trainwreck continues. I like Dawson, but this is beyond competant coherent thinking. Great job fatass....
Lol....wow....
Franchising a kicker......woooooow.....
The trainwreck continues. I like Dawson, but this is beyond competant coherent thinking. Great job fatass....
Another example of people just shunning anything the front office doesn't now. Guess what Mangini was fired, get over it already. He over paid a kicker because he would then have to sign Dawson in less than 2 weeks to a deal that would be worth only a million less than the franchise tag cost. I like the fact he took the safe route of bringing Dawson back over trying a contract negotiation that had a good chance of not getting done in time for the CBA to expire. You people act like he is making more than Tom Brady, or acting like we had anyone else of worth on the team going into FA that deserved the tag over Dawson.
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Good for Phil. But it's an Oakland/Cincy move. Who franchises a fooking kicker?!?!
You franchise who you have to.
We had a tag to use on a player we wanted to keep and didn't have to use it on another.
Kicker, RT, LB, QB, what's the difference???
At least we didn't have to make a choice.
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Now this is what the Steelers do:
Woodley accepts Steelers' franchise tag offer
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11054/1127421-100.stm
That is the difference between winners and losers. $3.25M for a kicker on a 5 win team??? two years in a row???
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...holmgren_9.html
2nd part of the article talks about why Holmgren tagged Dawson. They want to work out a multi year deal with Dawson and the only way to keep other teams from talking to him so that they could work on the contract after the CBA is finalized.
Also interesting is that Holmgren pointed out that they are drafting best available player and not by position with the first pick. That means there is a chance we take Green or Peterson over a DL prospect in the draft.
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