Let's Hear It For Engineers And Science

VaporTrail

Here, read this. These guys know more about it than I do.

Pumpkin Eater

Chernobyl was a highly flawed design, probably the worst that has ever existed for a nuclear power plant. The US or anyone who was not in the old Soviet bloc doesn't have that type of reactor.

The main problem in Chernobyl's aftermath was the STEAM explosion opened the reactor core (blew the lid right off of it and it's surrounding building and started a fire that carried radioactive material high into the air to be deposited all over the world and over Belarus, etc.

An explosion is not a great concern as long as there is no fire or the reactor core is not breached.

Pumpkin Eater

Let's not forget that engineers in northern Europe first discovered there was an explosion at Chernobyl because they detected excessive amounts of radiation and found that there plants did not have a leak. This forced the Soviets to admit the explosion at Chernobyl. Even with an explosion and fire that bad, minimal amounts of radiation ever reached the US.

osusev

How about we all focus on the human problem, not a position.

donate to the Redcross: http://bit.ly/7ZgYpM

VaporTrail

Cheers. I hope everyone else donates. I would, but I have 50 dollars to my name and need to eat.

Mr. T

@osusev said:

donate to the Redcross: http://bit.ly/7ZgYpM

I allready donated the other day.

More info on whats going on below.

Watch the whole thing. There are a few problems folks are overlooking.

heckofajobbrownie

Speaking of science, here's some Vapor bait:

"The National Center for Science Education has tracked a record-setting number of nine anti-evolution bills introduced in state legislatures since Jan. 1."

VaporTrail

slowburn

Let's talk fallout ramifications next spring when two headed cows, 7 legged lambs and other genetic mutants appear. Study the stats showing incidents of

mental Retardation and thyroid cancer amongst youngsters this time next year. Let the talking heads spin it all they want . The proof will be in the toxic sludge pudding.

calfoxwc

Offhand, I wonder why it isn't considered a bad design, for the Japanese nuclear plants to have their

generators and pumps located low enough to be swamped, and stop working, which caused the

rods to overheat.

I mean, from a goofy layman's point of view, why not have them located well up high, since tsunami's aren't unhead of?

NOTE: We keep going to GOOGLE EARTH, and we watch the occurence of earthquakes. The red dots are those that have occured

in the last five minutes. It's unbelievble - and you can scan all over the world.

calfoxwc

Hmmm.

Obamao's surgeon general says it would be a good idea to get iodine tablets as a precaution...

on the U.S. west coast.

Yep.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Surgeon-General-Buying-Iodine-Appropriate-118031559.html

heckofajobbrownie

One more for you, Vapor:

"Thirty-one Republicans on the House Energy And Commerce Committee -- the entire Republican contingent on the panel -- declined on Tuesday to vote in support of the very idea that climate change exists."

DieHardBrownsFan

@calfoxwc said:

Hmmm.

Obamao's surgeon general says it would be a good idea to get iodine tablets as a precaution...

on the U.S. west coast.

Yep.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Surgeon-General-Buying-Iodine-Appropriate-118031559.html

I just saw the Professor of Harvard Medical School Nuclear program say there is no need to take iodine tablets. The amount of radiation that will get to the USA is way to small to worry about. Iodine tablets fill the thyroid with iodine and prevent radioactive iodine from going in. This makes the body eliminate the radioactive iodine. It does not help with other types of radiation. Another person speaking out there ass.

DieHardBrownsFan

@calfoxwc said:

Offhand, I wonder why it isn't considered a bad design, for the Japanese nuclear plants to have their

generators and pumps located low enough to be swamped, and stop working, which caused the

rods to overheat.

I mean, from a goofy layman's point of view, why not have them located well up high, since tsunami's aren't unhead of?

NOTE: We keep going to GOOGLE EARTH, and we watch the occurence of earthquakes. The red dots are those that have occured

in the last five minutes. It's unbelievble - and you can scan all over the world.

You do realize that the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Plant is directly on the shore of the Pacific Ocean? It was swamped by a massive 9.0 earthquake and a 30+ foot tsunami. Use your brain.

Mr. T

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I just saw the Professor of Harvard Medical School Nuclear program say there is no need to take iodine tablets. The amount of radiation that will get to the USA is way to small to worry about. Iodine tablets fill the thyroid with iodine and prevent radioactive iodine from going in. This makes the body eliminate the radioactive iodine. It does not help with other types of radiation. Another person speaking out there ass.

Is that the same guy who said there were not any deaths, injuries or any offspring that were mutated from the Chernobyl disaster?

That guy is a liar.

by the way the 4th reactor is completly destroyed, that is the one that housed the spent fuel rods.

calfoxwc

You do realize that the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Plant is directly on the shore of the Pacific Ocean? It was swamped by a massive 9.0 earthquake and a 30+ foot tsunami. Use your brain DIEHARD

***********************

I was. You use yours. You're inferring, that engineers, who can build a NUCLEAR ENERGY SITE, on the PACIFIC OCEAN, with the shoreline not far from a gigantic fault line,

couldn't figure out that the generators and pumps may have to be put UP on a flatform higher than 30 feet?

It wasn't mile high, DH, it was 30'. The generators and pumps were damaged, and that is why they had to have workers try to keep pumping water, but the workers

had to leave the one plant. Now, they (we?) are using helicopters to drop water on it. And, our Navy is being ordered to stay FIFTY MILES AWAY, because of the

danger of a meltdown. Come on, man.

DieHardBrownsFan

@calfoxwc said:

You do realize that the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Plant is directly on the shore of the Pacific Ocean? It was swamped by a massive 9.0 earthquake and a 30+ foot tsunami. Use your brain CAL.

***********************

I was. You use yours. You're inferring, that engineers, who can build a NUCLEAR ENERGY SITE, on the PACIFIC OCEAN, with the shoreline not far from a gigantic fault line,

couldn't figure out that the generators and pumps may have to be put UP on a flatform higher than 30 feet?

It wasn't mile high, DH, it was 30'. The generators and pumps were damaged, and that is why they had to have workers try to keep pumping water, but the workers

had to leave the one plant. Now, they (we?) are using helicopters to drop water on it. And, our Navy is being ordered to stay FIFTY MILES AWAY, because of the

danger of a meltdown. Come on, man.

No Nuclear reactor has been through this kind of earthquake or Tsunami, let alone both at the same time. Putting up the generators on a platform? WTF are you talking about. The tsunami ripped buildings down and swept them miles away. It brought ships inland for miles. And you think building the generators and pumps ON A PLATFORM is a good idea? I think the engineers have a bit more experience then you. You don't realize the power of a tsunami, it is not just a "wave" it is the entire ocean coming in like Niagra Falls and nothing can stop it. Japan is an Island that has many earthquakes, I lived there for years and experience probably dozens of them. This could just as easily happen in California or elsewhere. There is no way to plan for it. And the USN is not dropping water, it is the Japanese.

slowburn

There is mass of 38 milliom civilians 100 miles to the south of the xxxxed up reactors. A strong southerly gale can quickly migrate much of the airborne nasties

down to the Tokyo megaplex in a few hours. Lets see how the massess hold up to the ingested particles that turn their insides to jelly. Talk about anarchy

and a complete breakdown of civility.. The perfect storm of life changing radiation fallout is upon us.

Entomb the defective reactors with sand, concrete and whatever else the ruskies did to plug their mess of chornobly(SP)

Not one nuclear reactor power plant has been constructed in conus USa since the break down/melt down at Three Mile Island 1978???

calfoxwc

DH - you are way wrong on this one.

Simple fact is, the towers were not swept away. A concrete tower about fifty feet high, could easily have saved those

generators and pumps.

Those gens and pumps... are absolutely CRUCIAL. Why NOT build a simple concrete building, with a platform high enough,

to have those generators and pumps be free of danger? WTF are you talking about?

We aren't talking about an entrance to a bathroom. We're talking the FREAKIN COOLING SYSTEM that

is SUPPOSED TO NOT BE DAMAGED SO IT CAN KEEP THE RODS COOL. I don't know how tall the cooling towers are,

but I'll bet you they are about one hundred times higher than thirty freakin feet. Come on, get real here.

DieHardBrownsFan

@calfoxwc said:

DH - you are way wrong on this one.

Simple fact is, the towers were not swept away. A concrete tower about fifty feet high, could easily have saved those

generators and pumps.

Those gens and pumps... are absolutely CRUCIAL. Why NOT build a simple concrete building, with a platform high enough,

to have those generators and pumps be free of danger? WTF are you talking about?

We aren't talking about an entrance to a bathroom. We're talking the FREAKIN COOLING SYSTEM that

is SUPPOSED TO NOT BE DAMAGED SO IT CAN KEEP THE RODS COOL. I don't know how tall the cooling towers are,

but I'll bet you they are about one hundred times higher than thirty freakin feet. Come on, get real here.

One thing mz the pussy the pussy was right about, you are a frigging moron.