Terrelle Pryor Exiting Osu Amid Scandal
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i get it. he's a kid. but like i said BIGGEST FOOTBALL PROGRAM etc. they had this classes on what not to do and it was drilled into them, and what, leave class and get into your brand new loaner car?
AND i think those examples you gave are two different situations. one was try to protect the other and his football program and has had a history of doing good by the community and it's young people. the other was out for personal gain from the beginning, when if only he (and others) had waited a couple of years they could have had it legitimately..... or at least a degree.
Lest you all forget, Pryor wasn't the only one caught. There were at least 4 others caught doing the same thing....and probably many others that weren't caught. And like I said elsewhere...I think OSU is still probably actually one of the cleaner programs in the land.
If the truth were known I would suspect that just about every single SEC and Big 12 player has probably pocketed at least 50K in one form or another. And yes, it is simply a matter of not getting caught. I can tell you right here right now that I could probably have been given a speeding ticket every day for the last 10 years....but I have not actually gotten a speeding ticket in those 10 years. So, I haven't been caught. That doesn't mean I didn't speed. All those SEC players haven't been caught, that doesn't mean they didn't speed, metaphorically..
I think OSU is still probably actually one of the cleaner programs in the land.
Not to be a dick, but on what basis? They just got freaking busted and you're saying they are one of the cleaner programs? Please explain... and don't forget to pass around whatever you're smoking.
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mikeyP72 said:
What exactly did OSU get busted for, USF?
Clarify. 5 players from the school were taking illegal benefits from NON-SCHOOL affiliated people.
You know exactly what I mean. I'm not knocking the school, it's a great institution. The student are a major part of what make the school. Bush took money while at USC. USC got sanctioned.
You can define OSU however you want, but maybe your definition is OSU is the brick and mortar buildings on campus. So therefore the buildings didn't get busted for anything.
Spin it how you want.
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Sure they didn't give them money, but they certainly knew what was going on. I was under the impression that Bush received money from a former USC alum, maybe it was an affiliate.
I'm not be-smudging a university. I think we're getting tied up with wording. Go tell any non Ohio State homer that the school is clean and you'll see what I mean.
Edit: And you're saying a school is clean if the student athletes receive money from non affiliates?
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I think OSU is still probably actually one of the cleaner programs in the land.
Not to be a dick, but on what basis? They just got freaking busted and you're saying they are one of the cleaner programs? Please explain... and don't forget to pass around whatever you're smoking.
Not to be a dick, but on what basis? They just got freaking busted and you're saying they are one of the cleaner programs? Please explain... and don't forget to pass around whatever you're smoking.
Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table. It was the act of selling their paraphenalia that got the program in trouble. No sale of paraphenalia, no trouble. Paraphenalia selling leaves a trail that straight cash in hand doesn't.
And what I am smoking is 30 years of legal experience and 20 years of judicial experience and any prosecutor will tell you that to prove your case you need documentable evidence. Leaving this trail of trinket selling gave the documentable evidence that straight cash deals don't give.
Raise your hand if you are gullible enough to not believe the truth of this.
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mikeyP72 said:
The backers, the recruitment team, the AD, Tressel... None of the school officials gave these kids money. Why be-smudge a University (and USC too if that's the case, but I had heard Bush was hooked up through an affiliate of the school or a booster) for something their students do outside of school and the team? It makes no sense and if you think about it, is borderline insanity.
If this is the case with USC, Bama, UNC, etc... Then those schools should be repaid for their losses.
I wouldn't consider selling jerseys and team gear outside of the school and team. Any besides that, yes I hold them to that. The players know full well that when they accept that scholarship and play, everything good or bad will be associated with the school.
If I go out and drive drunk, outside my work and get a DUI, I lose my job. I'm outside my work, but it happens.
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Not to be a dick, but on what basis? They just got freaking busted and you're saying they are one of the cleaner programs? Please explain... and don't forget to pass around whatever you're smoking.
Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table. It was the act of selling their paraphenalia that got the program in trouble. No sale of paraphenalia, no trouble. Paraphenalia selling leaves a trail that straight cash in hand doesn't.
And what I am smoking is 30 years of legal experience and 20 years of judicial experience and any prosecutor will tell you that to prove your case you need documentable evidence. Leaving this trail of trinket selling gave the documentable evidence that straight cash deals don't give.
Raise your hand if you are gullible enough to not believe the truth of this.
Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table. It was the act of selling their paraphenalia that got the program in trouble. No sale of paraphenalia, no trouble. Paraphenalia selling leaves a trail that straight cash in hand doesn't.
And what I am smoking is 30 years of legal experience and 20 years of judicial experience and any prosecutor will tell you that to prove your case you need documentable evidence. Leaving this trail of trinket selling gave the documentable evidence that straight cash deals don't give.
Raise your hand if you are gullible enough to not believe the truth of this.
That's a good point, but did the kids really need to get $40,000? I'm pretty sure they could have made it by in 4 years of college by not selling merchandise for money. You made a good point about the kids needing to sell the money, but the only reason you give the school being clean is because the kids sold their stuff for money (because, you're assuming the school wouldn't give them money).
Tressel knew about the selling and I'm sure many others in football staff did too. I wouldn't consider that being clean.
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Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table. It was the act of selling their paraphenalia that got the program in trouble. No sale of paraphenalia, no trouble. Paraphenalia selling leaves a trail that straight cash in hand doesn't.
And what I am smoking is 30 years of legal experience and 20 years of judicial experience and any prosecutor will tell you that to prove your case you need documentable evidence. Leaving this trail of trinket selling gave the documentable evidence that straight cash deals don't give.
Raise your hand if you are gullible enough to not believe the truth of this.
That's a good point, but did the kids really need to get $40,000? I'm pretty sure they could have made it by in 4 years of college by not selling merchandise for money. You made a good point about the kids needing to sell the money, but the only reason you give the school being clean is because the kids sold their stuff for money (because, you're assuming the school wouldn't give them money).
Tressel knew about the selling and I'm sure many others in football staff did too. I wouldn't consider that being clean.
That's a good point, but did the kids really need to get $40,000? I'm pretty sure they could have made it by in 4 years of college by not selling merchandise for money. You made a good point about the kids needing to sell the money, but the only reason you give the school being clean is because the kids sold their stuff for money (because, you're assuming the school wouldn't give them money).
Tressel knew about the selling and I'm sure many others in football staff did too. I wouldn't consider that being clean.
OK, so lets say, hypothetically that of the 130 FBS program, 100 of them pay cash under the table to their players through alumni, affiliates, agents etc. And lets say the other 30 do not make those payments, but that the players at those other 30 schools in order to get some money sell the trinkets, books etc. that they get from the program. And lets say that the school learned about those sales but didn't report it.
Whic program is "Cleaner"? The ones that directly or indirectly gave cash, or the ones that learned that their players were getting outside money from 3rd parties by selling the property that belongs to them?
Yes, Tressel's downfall was that he learned about the sales of the paraphenalia from a third party and didn't report it. Is that worse than Coach X that says to Big Bubba Beauregard, program supporter to "give these here boys and their mamas cash, just don't let it be traceable back to you or me".
Well the fact is that Coach X and Big Bubba Beauregard aren't going to get caught easily.
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All in all good points. It's nice to have a civil discussion about topics here. But my final point is that I did find it humorous that saying Ohio State is running a clean program after that has happened.
I'll keep my opinions and you can keep yours.
Fun discussion
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mikeyP72 said:
Right, but your company doesn't get government or industry sanctions or negative press because their employee got a DUI?
You do, because you f!cked up.
See what I mean?
Also- I would consider selling their own personal items (jerseys and team gear), outside of the school. They broke an NCAA rule, not the University. Tressel did find out about it, handled it, and tried to cover it up and Tressel is gone because of it. With good reason. Regardless of the validity of the rule, which sucks, Tressel broke a rule that he signed paperwork for claiming he was adhering to. That is a crime and he was suspended for it and eventually resigned to avoid further punishment and possible firing down the road.
What else deserves to be done to the University? I can't imagine a rationale for anything further.
Take away the 2002 National Championship? HA, no. Take away the Sugar Bowl win last year? Maybe. The players were breaking rules and still allowed to play - HOWEVER, if the NCAA strips OSU of that victory they are TOTAL AND COMPLETE HYPOCRITES. Their ruling allowed those kids to play in that game AFTER the allegations and punishments were known. The 5 game suspension was enacted before the Sugar Bowl. To punish OSU after-the-fact is a JOKE.
Then throw in possibly for fitting the Rose Bowl vs Oregon. That is another option since all of this was likely going on during that.
Big Ten championships will also likely be on the line too as well as the season wins over the last 3 years.
100%
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mikeyP72 said:
Maybe u should lay off the day drinking, how about it...? maybe for a little while?
blasphemy!!
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All in all good points. It's nice to have a civil discussion about topics here. But my final point is that I did find it humorous that saying Ohio State is running a clean program after that has happened.
I'll keep my opinions and you can keep yours.
Fun discussion
All in all good points. It's nice to have a civil discussion about topics here. But my final point is that I did find it humorous that saying Ohio State is running a clean program after that has happened.
I'll keep my opinions and you can keep yours.
Fun discussion
I said "comparatively" clean.
And I still think it is true. Tressel's rule violation was passive..."not reporting" when he should have.
In street parlance he would have been a hero for not snitching.
Other schools are no doubt commiting much more active violations by paying players. More serious, not as clean, but much harder to catch.
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All in all good points. It's nice to have a civil discussion about topics here. But my final point is that I did find it humorous that saying Ohio State is running a clean program after that has happened.
I'll keep my opinions and you can keep yours.
Fun discussion
All in all good points. It's nice to have a civil discussion about topics here. But my final point is that I did find it humorous that saying Ohio State is running a clean program after that has happened.
I'll keep my opinions and you can keep yours.
Fun discussion
I said "comparatively" clean.
And I still think it is true. Tressel's rule violation was passive..."not reporting" when he should have.
In street parlance he would have been a hero for not snitching.
Other schools are no doubt commiting much more active violations by paying players. More serious, not as clean, but much harder to catch.
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No doubt, as one of the gang, he would be considered a stand up guy. But, i feel, in his role as moral compass and mentor for his players he sorely failed.
Heavy lays the crown.
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It is a tough situation for the guy. I feel bad for the way things went down. But ultimately they broke the rules and it gives a black eye to all just by association. Which isn't always fair.
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Not to be a dick, but on what basis? They just got freaking busted and you're saying they are one of the cleaner programs? Please explain... and don't forget to pass around whatever you're smoking.
Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table. It was the act of selling their paraphenalia that got the program in trouble. No sale of paraphenalia, no trouble. Paraphenalia selling leaves a trail that straight cash in hand doesn't.
And what I am smoking is 30 years of legal experience and 20 years of judicial experience and any prosecutor will tell you that to prove your case you need documentable evidence. Leaving this trail of trinket selling gave the documentable evidence that straight cash deals don't give.
Raise your hand if you are gullible enough to not believe the truth of this.
Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table.
You might want to provide your proof to the NCAA.
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Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table.
You might want to provide your proof to the NCAA.
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The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that Pryor's agent had the nerve to say that NCAA is like slavery. Now to me this crossed the line and showed how idiotic they both are. First of all, how many slaves got $100,000++ scholarships to college and all expenses paid (food, books, dorms). Yeah just like football players calling the NFL slavery too, when they make MILLIONS. Apparently in this day and age, race has to be brought up in every situation. Lebron shits on the city of Cleveland, so everyone who hates him is a racist. Pryor got busted for doing something stupid, NCAA is racist. NFL players getting paid millions, racist.
Makes a whole lot of sense to me...if Tim Tebow would have done the same thing, he would face the same penalties.
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The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that Pryor's agent had the nerve to say that NCAA is like slavery. Now to me this crossed the line and showed how idiotic they both are. First of all, how many slaves got $100,000++ scholarships to college and all expenses paid (food, books, dorms). Yeah just like football players calling the NFL slavery too, when they make MILLIONS. Apparently in this day and age, race has to be brought up in every situation. Lebron shits on the city of Cleveland, so everyone who hates him is a racist. Pryor got busted for doing something stupid, NCAA is racist. NFL players getting paid millions, racist.
Makes a whole lot of sense to me...if Tim Tebow would have done the same thing, he would face the same penalties.
The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that Pryor's agent had the nerve to say that NCAA is like slavery. Now to me this crossed the line and showed how idiotic they both are. First of all, how many slaves got $100,000++ scholarships to college and all expenses paid (food, books, dorms). Yeah just like football players calling the NFL slavery too, when they make MILLIONS. Apparently in this day and age, race has to be brought up in every situation. Lebron shits on the city of Cleveland, so everyone who hates him is a racist. Pryor got busted for doing something stupid, NCAA is racist. NFL players getting paid millions, racist.
Makes a whole lot of sense to me...if Tim Tebow would have done the same thing, he would face the same penalties.
There is a solution to that: the NFL or the NCAA can simply tell these guys: "fine, you believe this is like slavery? You are free to pursue your life and your career wherever it makes you happy. We absolve any and all connection with you. Go out in the world and make whatever you want of yourself. You just are not going to do it here.
You are Free. Scream it from the Mountaintops."
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good
I'll admit I've jumped on the bandwaggon of hating USC and laughing as their sanctions and turmoil flared up. I guess I can understand- A LOT of people are happy OSU is in this situation. It comes with the territory. No one likes the Buckeyes, in the press, or anywhere for that matter. For some reason everyone hates Ohio. It will be easy to pile on top of the Bucks.
It's all opinions too like you said. None of us are lawyers (well maybe Gipper is) or actually deal in NCAA bylaws. None of us are in these decision making positions, none of us are in these guys shoes while they're in school being promised the world and given handouts left and right. I know for certain that it would be hard for me to turn down the stuff... I probably would have been A LOT less blatant and smarter about it... Why be flamboyant and expect not to get caught?
Have you watched ESPN the last few years?? Their Buckeye love is sickening, reason why a lot of people hate them. Sick of hearing how "great" Osu is
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good
I'll admit I've jumped on the bandwaggon of hating USC and laughing as their sanctions and turmoil flared up. I guess I can understand- A LOT of people are happy OSU is in this situation. It comes with the territory. No one likes the Buckeyes, in the press, or anywhere for that matter. For some reason everyone hates Ohio. It will be easy to pile on top of the Bucks.
It's all opinions too like you said. None of us are lawyers (well maybe Gipper is) or actually deal in NCAA bylaws. None of us are in these decision making positions, none of us are in these guys shoes while they're in school being promised the world and given handouts left and right. I know for certain that it would be hard for me to turn down the stuff... I probably would have been A LOT less blatant and smarter about it... Why be flamboyant and expect not to get caught?
Have you watched ESPN the last few years?? Their Buckeye love is sickening, reason why a lot of people hate them. Sick of hearing how "great" Osu is
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