Terrelle Pryor Exiting Osu Amid Scandal
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No doubt, as one of the gang, he would be considered a stand up guy. But, i feel, in his role as moral compass and mentor for his players he sorely failed.
Heavy lays the crown.
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It is a tough situation for the guy. I feel bad for the way things went down. But ultimately they broke the rules and it gives a black eye to all just by association. Which isn't always fair.
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Not to be a dick, but on what basis? They just got freaking busted and you're saying they are one of the cleaner programs? Please explain... and don't forget to pass around whatever you're smoking.
Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table. It was the act of selling their paraphenalia that got the program in trouble. No sale of paraphenalia, no trouble. Paraphenalia selling leaves a trail that straight cash in hand doesn't.
And what I am smoking is 30 years of legal experience and 20 years of judicial experience and any prosecutor will tell you that to prove your case you need documentable evidence. Leaving this trail of trinket selling gave the documentable evidence that straight cash deals don't give.
Raise your hand if you are gullible enough to not believe the truth of this.
Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table.
You might want to provide your proof to the NCAA.
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Here is why: because these kids, in order to get money had to sell their trinkets. The kids in many or most other programs in the country don't have to sell their trinkets to get money because they are being given money hand over fist under the table.
You might want to provide your proof to the NCAA.
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The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that Pryor's agent had the nerve to say that NCAA is like slavery. Now to me this crossed the line and showed how idiotic they both are. First of all, how many slaves got $100,000++ scholarships to college and all expenses paid (food, books, dorms). Yeah just like football players calling the NFL slavery too, when they make MILLIONS. Apparently in this day and age, race has to be brought up in every situation. Lebron shits on the city of Cleveland, so everyone who hates him is a racist. Pryor got busted for doing something stupid, NCAA is racist. NFL players getting paid millions, racist.
Makes a whole lot of sense to me...if Tim Tebow would have done the same thing, he would face the same penalties.
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The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that Pryor's agent had the nerve to say that NCAA is like slavery. Now to me this crossed the line and showed how idiotic they both are. First of all, how many slaves got $100,000++ scholarships to college and all expenses paid (food, books, dorms). Yeah just like football players calling the NFL slavery too, when they make MILLIONS. Apparently in this day and age, race has to be brought up in every situation. Lebron shits on the city of Cleveland, so everyone who hates him is a racist. Pryor got busted for doing something stupid, NCAA is racist. NFL players getting paid millions, racist.
Makes a whole lot of sense to me...if Tim Tebow would have done the same thing, he would face the same penalties.
The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that Pryor's agent had the nerve to say that NCAA is like slavery. Now to me this crossed the line and showed how idiotic they both are. First of all, how many slaves got $100,000++ scholarships to college and all expenses paid (food, books, dorms). Yeah just like football players calling the NFL slavery too, when they make MILLIONS. Apparently in this day and age, race has to be brought up in every situation. Lebron shits on the city of Cleveland, so everyone who hates him is a racist. Pryor got busted for doing something stupid, NCAA is racist. NFL players getting paid millions, racist.
Makes a whole lot of sense to me...if Tim Tebow would have done the same thing, he would face the same penalties.
There is a solution to that: the NFL or the NCAA can simply tell these guys: "fine, you believe this is like slavery? You are free to pursue your life and your career wherever it makes you happy. We absolve any and all connection with you. Go out in the world and make whatever you want of yourself. You just are not going to do it here.
You are Free. Scream it from the Mountaintops."
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good
I'll admit I've jumped on the bandwaggon of hating USC and laughing as their sanctions and turmoil flared up. I guess I can understand- A LOT of people are happy OSU is in this situation. It comes with the territory. No one likes the Buckeyes, in the press, or anywhere for that matter. For some reason everyone hates Ohio. It will be easy to pile on top of the Bucks.
It's all opinions too like you said. None of us are lawyers (well maybe Gipper is) or actually deal in NCAA bylaws. None of us are in these decision making positions, none of us are in these guys shoes while they're in school being promised the world and given handouts left and right. I know for certain that it would be hard for me to turn down the stuff... I probably would have been A LOT less blatant and smarter about it... Why be flamboyant and expect not to get caught?
Have you watched ESPN the last few years?? Their Buckeye love is sickening, reason why a lot of people hate them. Sick of hearing how "great" Osu is
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good
I'll admit I've jumped on the bandwaggon of hating USC and laughing as their sanctions and turmoil flared up. I guess I can understand- A LOT of people are happy OSU is in this situation. It comes with the territory. No one likes the Buckeyes, in the press, or anywhere for that matter. For some reason everyone hates Ohio. It will be easy to pile on top of the Bucks.
It's all opinions too like you said. None of us are lawyers (well maybe Gipper is) or actually deal in NCAA bylaws. None of us are in these decision making positions, none of us are in these guys shoes while they're in school being promised the world and given handouts left and right. I know for certain that it would be hard for me to turn down the stuff... I probably would have been A LOT less blatant and smarter about it... Why be flamboyant and expect not to get caught?
Have you watched ESPN the last few years?? Their Buckeye love is sickening, reason why a lot of people hate them. Sick of hearing how "great" Osu is
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mikeyP72 said:
Sounds good
I'll admit I've jumped on the bandwaggon of hating USC and laughing as their sanctions and turmoil flared up. I guess I can understand- A LOT of people are happy OSU is in this situation. It comes with the territory. No one likes the Buckeyes, in the press, or anywhere for that matter. For some reason everyone hates Ohio. It will be easy to pile on top of the Bucks.
It's all opinions too like you said. None of us are lawyers (well maybe Gipper is) or actually deal in NCAA bylaws. None of us are in these decision making positions, none of us are in these guys shoes while they're in school being promised the world and given handouts left and right. I know for certain that it would be hard for me to turn down the stuff... I probably would have been A LOT less blatant and smarter about it... Why be flamboyant and expect not to get caught?
Have you watched ESPN the last few years?? Their Buckeye love is sickening, reason why a lot of people hate them. Sick of hearing how "great" Osu is
Have you watched ESPN the last few years?? Their Buckeye love is sickening, reason why a lot of people hate them. Sick of hearing how "great" Osu is
Jeez....Mark May hates the Buckeyes. I guess you never noticed?
He hates OSU, Notre Dame, & Michigan, just to be clear.
Karlis Missed -
Kirk Herbstreet is the biggest buckeye hater of all time... and he xxxxing played for them!
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Kirk Herbstreet is the biggest buckeye hater of all time... and he xxxxing played for them!
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Kirk Herbstreet is the biggest buckeye hater of all time... and he xxxxing played for them!
Wrong. He is the most objective one of the whole ESPN crew. Just because he doesn't swallow the OSU Kool Aid you guys hate him.
Irony.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Kirk Herbstreet is the biggest buckeye hater of all time... and he xxxxing played for them!
Wrong. He is the most objective one of the whole ESPN crew. Just because he doesn't swallow the OSU Kool Aid you guys hate him.
Irony.
Wrong. He is the most objective one of the whole ESPN crew. Just because he doesn't swallow the OSU Kool Aid you guys hate him.
Irony.
Anytime OSU plays somebody in the top 25, he says they are going to lose. He is the first person to say that OSU is going to get upset, to lose a bowl game, ect. There is being overly objective to make it seem like you not rooting for your amla mater and then there is literally shitting on them every week on National TV regardless of the opponent. Lee Corso picks the Bucks to win more than Kirk does.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Kirk Herbstreet is the biggest buckeye hater of all time... and he xxxxing played for them!
Wrong. He is the most objective one of the whole ESPN crew. Just because he doesn't swallow the OSU Kool Aid you guys hate him.
Irony.
Just because he doesn't swallow the OSU Kool Aid
Wrong. Let Ramzy of the awesome 11Warriors describe:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/05/concrete-blonde
"Herbstreit has been castigated wholesale by his own because he repeatedly speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Each and every time he is called out for that hypocrisy he has trashed the Ohio State fan base with the same strawman defense that you (people like BigBrownsFan above) keep swilling down without any critical thought whatsoever."
And to those of you who still believe ESPN is "unbiased" vs Ohio State, read the following link:
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Wrong. He is the most objective one of the whole ESPN crew. Just because he doesn't swallow the OSU Kool Aid you guys hate him.
Irony.
Anytime OSU plays somebody in the top 25, he says they are going to lose. He is the first person to say that OSU is going to get upset, to lose a bowl game, ect. There is being overly objective to make it seem like you not rooting for your amla mater and then there is literally shitting on them every week on National TV regardless of the opponent. Lee Corso picks the Bucks to win more than Kirk does.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Anytime OSU plays somebody in the top 25, he says they are going to lose.
not for nothing but they usually do lose. they can't play SFU every week (sorry browns sfu fan). one tough cream puff in a season? pleez, love the bucks but no respect there.
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Anytime OSU plays somebody in the top 25, he says they are going to lose.
not for nothing but they usually do lose. they can't play SFU every week (sorry browns sfu fan). one tough cream puff in a season? pleez, love the bucks but no respect there.
not for nothing but they usually do lose. they can't play SFU every week (sorry browns sfu fan). one tough cream puff in a season? pleez, love the bucks but no respect there.
Umm then why were they 21 and 14 when playing teams who finished the season in the top 25 since Tressel took over as coach. Ya they were a 8 and 10 in that time against teams in the top 10, but those are the teams where it is supposed to be a very close game. His record against teams finishing 11-25 is 17-4 yet everytime OSU plays one of those team Herbstreat calls for OSU to lose, probably because he never really managed to accomplish anything himself when he played there and doesn't want them to accomplish anything now.
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Jeez....Mark May hates the Buckeyes. I guess you never noticed?
He hates OSU, Notre Dame, & Michigan, just to be clear.
His "hate" of OSU, ND, and Mich. is simply a manifestation of his inferiority complex by having gone to Pitt. I suspect those other schools didn't think enough of his talents to try to recruit him, and he maintains that grudge.
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Wrong. He is the most objective one of the whole ESPN crew. Just because he doesn't swallow the OSU Kool Aid you guys hate him.
Irony.
Anytime OSU plays somebody in the top 25, he says they are going to lose. He is the first person to say that OSU is going to get upset, to lose a bowl game, ect. There is being overly objective to make it seem like you not rooting for your amla mater and then there is literally shitting on them every week on National TV regardless of the opponent. Lee Corso picks the Bucks to win more than Kirk does.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
Anytime OSU plays somebody in the top 25, he says they are going to lose. He is the first person to say that OSU is going to get upset, to lose a bowl game, ect. There is being overly objective to make it seem like you not rooting for your amla mater and then there is literally shitting on them every week on National TV regardless of the opponent. Lee Corso picks the Bucks to win more than Kirk does.
Herbstreit probably picks against them so much just so he won't be accused of being a homer...so that he won't be accused of losing his journalistic "integrity". I can understand how that could happen in his position.
But, I will say this: it seems that the OSU football program must also have a very fine alliance with their communications program, and a direct link to ESPN. Look at all the OSU guys on there as analysts. Herbstriet, Robert Smith, Spielman, Chris Carter....and I may be missing someone..
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
I think this is a good post and question. On one hand, the Browns haven't exactly gotten anywhere trying to sign goody two shoes players, and we have watched more than our share of good talent pass us by for personal reasons not directly related to football.
I personally wouldn't pick him up, and here is why.
1) I think he would have an attitude about being converted.
2) He isn't a natural reciever and we would wind up with another Cribbs. Athletic, but unable to excell in a real skilled position.
3) I don't think he is very good at QB.
4) His OSU action portray him as a coward.
He isn't going anywhere in the NFL. His 15 minutes of fame have flickered out.
Again, I say: Show me one thing that Cam Newton has done in his career that that Pryor hasn't. (Besides winning the national title...yea, Newton's team won 1 more game than Pryor)
Their career stats are as follows:
Newton: 191 comp. 292 att. 2908 yds. 66% comp. pct. 30 TDs 7 ints 285 rushes 1586 yards 24 TDs
Pryor: 477 comp. 783 att. 6177 yds. 61 comp. pct. 57 TDs 26 ints. 436 rush 2164 yds. 19TDs
Note that Pryor started since his fresman year. Newton threw all of 12 passes in his fresh and soph seasons.
For just their last season, here is how the stats matchup:
Newton 185 comp. on 280 atts. 66.1 comp. pct. 2854 yds. 30 TDs 7 ints. 264 rushes 1473 yds. 20 TDs 5.6 ypc
Pryor 210 comp. on 323 atts. 65% comp. pct 2772 yds 27 TDs 11 ints 135 rushes 754 yds. 4 TDs. 5.6 ypc
Other than those 20 rushing TDs vs. 4 for Pryor, there is not a lot of statistical differences here that I see.
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And note: Don't talk to me about Newton's superior integrity over Pryor. Newton's family shopped his services for a couple of hundred K. In my opinion he got that money, its just that Auburn was far superior at hiding it.
And also note this: Any discussion about these two now should have only to do with how well they will play in the pros. They will all eventually get tons of money, so whatever cash they may have gotten in college is irrelevent.
To me, whatever team gets Pryor will be taking a commodity that is basically on the same level as Newton....are far less of a risk in terms of draft positioning.
Along those lines, here are the comments from one respected NFL authority:
Adam Jardy of Scout.com reports via twitter that former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor has hired ex-NFL coach and current Monday Night Football analyst Jon Gruden as his trainer. Speaking at the 80th annual Ohio State Football Clinic in April, Gruden said that Pryor has dominated college football and could make it in the NFL. I have met Terrelle Pryor, had a chance to watch him. This is a freak of nature. This guy is really something with the ball in his hands. Pryor can run and he can throw and hes a hell of a competitor. "You might have to cater your offense, to a degree, towards his strengths, but I think this guy can develop his passing. His win-loss record speaks for itself. Hes not playing against the choir boys. This is a guy thats dominated college football.
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mikeyP72 said:
That's a lot of rushing TD's Gipper... That's the difference between Vick and every other mobile QB.
It may simply be a function of their offense. I note that in Auburn's offense, Newton did carry the load in terms of TDs on the Ground.
Auburn had 41 rushing TDs. Ohio State had 26. Of Auburn's rush TDs, Newton had 20. In OSU's offense, it was RB Dan Herron who got the call when it came to rushing for TDs. He had 16. Maybe if Tressel had called for Pryor's number in goal line situations, like apparently Auburn did quite a bit of, Pryor would have had a lot more TDs. But Tressel gave the ball to the RB, not the QB.
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