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  • Rich are you really dumb enough to believe any team is going to develop 5to 9 late round picks into a competent offensive line of starters and backups? It often takes 3,4 years to develop late round line picks. Most teams can't keep that many backups around to develop... even on practice squads. You need high picks that can step in right away and dominate...The DE's are getting bigger, quicker and more athletic all the time. you need OT's who are also athletic.. your not getting those with late picks..that is why guys like Jake Long.. hmm 1st overall pick by bill parcells this year.. Offensive tackle. rich.. you are a goof..

    There were SEVEN (7) OT's TAKEN IN THE FIRST ROUND JUST THIS YEAR ALONE!!!!!!!.. you have no credibility on this topic..cuz the teams are not doing it the dime a dozen way cuz it just won't work, never has, never will. I will back up my statement right here... 2008 draft first round..

    Year No. Round Pick Player Name

    1 1 1 1 Jake Long Dolphins

    2 1 12 12 Ryan Clady Broncos

    3 1 14 14 Chris Williams Bears

    4 1 17 17 Gosder Cherilus Lions

    5 1 19 19 Jeff Otah Panthers

    6 1 21 21 Sam Baker Falcons

    7 1 26 26 Duane Brown Texans

    and the Chiefs took a guard 15th in the first round.

    this means 40% (FOURTY PERCENT)..of this years first round picks were taken on the offensive line....... for you that means 8 out of 32 players. case closed.. cuz the fact is you cannot back your "dime a dozen" theory with any real proof... you might be lucky to find ONE team somewhere...some season in some decade.... that has a decent offense without high picks... but we are talking slim to none... you just cannot back up your case with proof.. I have all the proof i need right here in this past draft.

  • First, I am not dumb.......so you believe whatever losing premise you wish............

    but I will state again the easiest part of a team to construct is the offensive line and the the number of players who can fit is the most for the offensive line

    they are indeed a dime a dozen..........

    and they all suck if no skill players are playmakers

    simple as that

    Paul Brown got it and so do I..........he never wasted high picks on OL guys in 8 championship years

    whatever picks were taken on the first round for OL guys in recent times is reflective of the herd mentality........they did reinvent the single this year did they not.........so what happened last year in the draft is not a symtom of being smart but yet another example of dumb is as dumb is...........believing all the wrong stuff that breeds winning..........the smart ones do there thing and build winners the dumb ones spend all their money on the OL and say how smart they are

    btw /Tucker may be our best OL guy and Sewage tried to dump him three times already

    Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes

  • Well, Rich, let's all watch how many offensive linemen go in the first two rounds of the draft next April.

    BTW, I predict that the Squeelers and the dirty rotten filthy nasty stinkin ratbirds both pick an offensive lineman in one of the first two rounds of the next draft.

  • RICH>>>>>>This is not Paul Brown's NFL... WOW! no wonder your so disillusioned... It all makes sense now.

    I again will say: RICH.. prove your theory...

    Show me the top 10 to 15 offensive teams RIGHT NOW or in the past 5 years have dime a dozen lineman.. PROVE to me your theory is not as dumb as I think it is..

    Heck , I doubt you can even show me ONE team.

    I challenge you. I AM CALLING YOU OUT to show me ...(no show us).. the teams that have dime a dozen lines... that are not giving up ton's of sacks, have top 10 running games, are playoff caliber teams.. I don't believe you can.

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    RICH>>>>>>This is not Paul Brown's NFL... WOW! no wonder your so disillusioned... It all makes sense now.

    I again will say: RICH.. prove your theory...

    Show me the top 10 to 15 offensive teams RIGHT NOW or in the past 5 years have dime a dozen lineman.. PROVE to me your theory is not as dumb as I think it is..

    Heck , I doubt you can even show me ONE team.

    I challenge you. I AM CALLING YOU OUT to show me ...(no show us).. the teams that have dime a dozen lines... that are not giving up ton's of sacks, have top 10 running games, are playoff caliber teams.. I don't believe you can.

    @sez.ej said:

    RICH>>>>>>This is not Paul Brown's NFL... WOW! no wonder your so disillusioned... It all makes sense now.

    I again will say: RICH.. prove your theory...

    Show me the top 10 to 15 offensive teams RIGHT NOW or in the past 5 years have dime a dozen lineman.. PROVE to me your theory is not as dumb as I think it is..

    Heck , I doubt you can even show me ONE team.

    I challenge you. I AM CALLING YOU OUT to show me ...(no show us).. the teams that have dime a dozen lines... that are not giving up ton's of sacks, have top 10 running games, are playoff caliber teams.. I don't believe you can.

    He can't and he won't even try.

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    @sez.ej said:

    RICH>>>>>>This is not Paul Brown's NFL... WOW! no wonder your so disillusioned... It all makes sense now.

    I again will say: RICH.. prove your theory...

    Show me the top 10 to 15 offensive teams RIGHT NOW or in the past 5 years have dime a dozen lineman.. PROVE to me your theory is not as dumb as I think it is..

    Heck , I doubt you can even show me ONE team.

    I challenge you. I AM CALLING YOU OUT to show me ...(no show us).. the teams that have dime a dozen lines... that are not giving up ton's of sacks, have top 10 running games, are playoff caliber teams.. I don't believe you can.

    He can't and he won't even try.

    Masters said:

    He can't and he won't even try.

    Funny how da ich doesn't bring up Edwards much.

    Is a pig's ass pork?
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    @sez.ej said:

    RICH>>>>>>This is not Paul Brown's NFL... WOW! no wonder your so disillusioned... It all makes sense now.

    I again will say: RICH.. prove your theory...

    Show me the top 10 to 15 offensive teams RIGHT NOW or in the past 5 years have dime a dozen lineman.. PROVE to me your theory is not as dumb as I think it is..

    Heck , I doubt you can even show me ONE team.

    I challenge you. I AM CALLING YOU OUT to show me ...(no show us).. the teams that have dime a dozen lines... that are not giving up ton's of sacks, have top 10 running games, are playoff caliber teams.. I don't believe you can.

    He can't and he won't even try.

    Masters said:

    He can't and he won't even try.

    I read this whole thread.. Rich pretty much stands alone with his dime a dozen theory.. You really think he won't respond? Hmm.. My guess is he will respond but with excuses and spin.. I still say he CANNOT prove his point per my challenge noted in the above post. He's probably pissed that I called him out.. but it needs to be done.. The theory is stupid and needs to be exposed for what it is..

    COME ON RICH...Let's see whatcha got!!!!

  • Rich... We're waiting 5 days since the posted challenge.... still waiting for your proof.

  • ATENEARSA ATENEARS

    Rich,

    Can you put up the salary numbers for both Carolina's O-line and Cleveland's O-line?

    Are you saying we are spending a 100 Million and they are spending only 10's of Millions (or less?)?

    I'm interested in seeing your point, thanks.

    @atenears said:

    Rich,

    Can you put up the salary numbers for both Carolina's O-line and Cleveland's O-line?

    Are you saying we are spending a 100 Million and they are spending only 10's of Millions (or less?)?

    I'm interested in seeing your point, thanks.

    No, what he is saying is that our OL is fine. It was fine last year, the year before and the 7 years before that.

    What he is saying is that skill players make the OL.

    If Jim Browns was not born, Gene Hickerson would be nameless.

  • Thanks Ghoolie as always you state what it is........

    Sez, there is no challenge from you. I went out last year and provided the starting OLines of the best teams ...the Giants and Chargers and Patriots(two undrafted FA's) and Indy and others.........

    and pointed out where the OL guys came from ................

    So I already did due diligence on that and have for years and keep doing it. No need to repeat history one more time for you because you got this fetish on Carolina who could block worth a shit until Williams became the feature back.

    Just the way it is.......like Ghoolie reaffirmed................Great Backs make OLines not vice versa......great QB's make OL's not vice versa...........and it is proven over and over and over............

    When the hated Maurice Clarett as a freshman ran wild and lead OSU to a National Championship in 2002 the OL got accolades.........the next year with all five returning starters on the OLine (now two of which are starters in the NFL and one a pro bowler) the Buckeyes could run worth a poop and you probably do even know who the running back was....

    Impact Players who are playmakers and touch the ball are what makes offenses go..............OL guys are a DIME A DOZEN

    and I ax you diss.......the Great Paul Brown never drafted a OL guy on round 1 in his first 11 years of which he had 10 playoff teams and seven Championships........de trenches were filled with Otto and Marion and Dante and Mac

    Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes

  • Rich: When I check the draft of the teams you mention above: Colts, Chargers, Patriots, Giants... I see EVERY ONE of those teams with multiple picks in the first round on the offensive line/TE positions in recent history..dime a dozen My ass. Logan Mankins, Matt light, mike pollock, tony ugoh, marcus mcniel, tonui funoti, Chris Snee... dime a dozen... what a joke. I didn't think you could prove it.. Talking about Paul Brown is ludicrous.. When was the last time he was on the sidelines? Probably the last time you had a clue about how to build a team.

  • OK Sez you list all 32 teams and who is on the OL and what picks they comprised...............and I will make comments on all.......OK...........

    like I said I went through this process before and got a lot hogwash in response............

    so I suggest you start with the foundation of the Super Bowl winners.............as in the foundation of every line .......the Center

    Yep Shaun O'Hara and pray tell how the Giants got him and from where ......and at what price

    Please start and answer in full

    Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes
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