What's The Most Troublesome Aspect Of Our Team Going Into The Regular Season?
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Zombo said:
The team is fine ... negative gay fans worry me the most.
Z
Whatever you're smoking, you need to pass it around. For some reason you act like this team has proven something so far and we have a reason to believe. We don't have a shit to believe right now. Until this team starts proving in the regular season they can do something, there will always be doubt from many fans.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
The problem isn't lack of depth and it isn't the D, although both of those need improving.
Without guys who will consistently make big playes and put some pressure on the opponents, our players will again have to play PERFECT ball to win games.
Guys, really, if an opposing defense doens't have ot worry about deep threats, they can minimize the variables they have ot account for. X's and O's are all well and good, but a HUGE part of football is simply guys doing spectacular athletic things.
Our guys can do that once in a while, but they won't do it week in and week out.
End result..............
A predicatble offense that gets tired of being beat up, but doens't have the skills to relieve the pressure.
A defense that is on the field too much.
A squad that FEELS the pressure and week by week gets less and less confident and more and more beat up.
Inning teams don't play well every game, sometimes they win smply because of great individual effort.
The Browns don't have that luxury and lur lack of skilled talent makes it easy to guess what we will do next.
I don't care who the OL players are. NO FIVE MEN can block 9 men in the box on any consistent basis. If we can't make defenses hang back? GAME OVER. It wil affect the O, the D and worst of all, the teams moral.
This is a 5-6 win team with a weak schedule.
Bengals? Look in the mirror. If you can Bash Mike Brown, then you have to bash Lerner just as much. These are mirror images of my asshole.
I agree with a lot of what you say, but mirror images of the Bengals we are not. We don't sign an all criminal team. They Bengals are grossly unorganized right now. They have no direction, a QB disaster, and a coach in the melting fire hot seat.
Yes, we're both currently the bottom feeders of the AFC North, but to say we're mirror images is a farce.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
The problem isn't lack of depth and it isn't the D, although both of those need improving.
Without guys who will consistently make big playes and put some pressure on the opponents, our players will again have to play PERFECT ball to win games.
Guys, really, if an opposing defense doens't have ot worry about deep threats, they can minimize the variables they have ot account for. X's and O's are all well and good, but a HUGE part of football is simply guys doing spectacular athletic things.
Our guys can do that once in a while, but they won't do it week in and week out.
End result..............
A predicatble offense that gets tired of being beat up, but doens't have the skills to relieve the pressure.
A defense that is on the field too much.
A squad that FEELS the pressure and week by week gets less and less confident and more and more beat up.
Inning teams don't play well every game, sometimes they win smply because of great individual effort.
The Browns don't have that luxury and lur lack of skilled talent makes it easy to guess what we will do next.
I don't care who the OL players are. NO FIVE MEN can block 9 men in the box on any consistent basis. If we can't make defenses hang back? GAME OVER. It wil affect the O, the D and worst of all, the teams moral.
This is a 5-6 win team with a weak schedule.
Bengals? Look in the mirror. If you can Bash Mike Brown, then you have to bash Lerner just as much. These are mirror images of my asshole.
I agree with a lot of what you say, but mirror images of the Bengals we are not. We don't sign an all criminal team. They Bengals are grossly unorganized right now. They have no direction, a QB disaster, and a coach in the melting fire hot seat.
Yes, we're both currently the bottom feeders of the AFC North, but to say we're mirror images is a farce.
I agree with a lot of what you say, but mirror images of the Bengals we are not. We don't sign an all criminal team. They Bengals are grossly unorganized right now. They have no direction, a QB disaster, and a coach in the melting fire hot seat.
Yes, we're both currently the bottom feeders of the AFC North, but to say we're mirror images is a farce.
the one thing they did have in the past few seasons is athletic and fast wrs which we haven't been able to say within those same years. i'd sign TO (yeah asshole and all as an experiment)to a one year deal just to see if we can produce with a legit wideout threat on the field.
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Yea Colt McCoy was on the bench, its encouraging he wasn't apart of the suckfest.
Seneca Wallace should be cut, I'd rather overpay Delhomme then watch his sorry ass wine and feel sorry for himself. Put someone in there that acts like they give a shit.
Yea Colt McCoy was on the bench, its encouraging he wasn't apart of the suckfest.
Seneca Wallace should be cut, I'd rather overpay Delhomme then watch his sorry ass wine and feel sorry for himself. Put someone in there that acts like they give a shit.
I agree Wallace needs to go along with Brown.There should be plenty of QB's available Saturday.
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Zombo said:
The team is fine ... negative gay fans worry me the most.
Z
Whatever you're smoking, you need to pass it around. For some reason you act like this team has proven something so far and we have a reason to believe. We don't have a shit to believe right now. Until this team starts proving in the regular season they can do something, there will always be doubt from many fans.
Whatever you're smoking, you need to pass it around. For some reason you act like this team has proven something so far and we have a reason to believe. We don't have a shit to believe right now. Until this team starts proving in the regular season they can do something, there will always be doubt from many fans.
Last night was basically a scrimmage. It means nothing. Now the real season will get into gear. How we perform against the Bungholes will be critical for the entire season in my mind. We have to prove we can win, and win one in the division. Don't take the Bengals too lightly. Never under estimate your enemy, because that is when you get your ass kicked.
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Is it the Defense or the lack of depth? Or, anything else you may think will be our Achilles Heel.
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Nothing troubles me about our Browns, it ain't my job, and it ain't my responsibility.
What I did notice though:
I think Aldhous sp? Smith, rb, makes the team. He's coachable just fine, a smart kid, and is lightning in a bottle. The team needs the speed.
I like the Porter kid, but he isn't explosive like Smith.
I think this is Robiskie's (oh, however you spell it GGG) breakout year. Gregg Little is going to be a star. Momass needs to get out there.
The first string defense is dynamic. The difference is huge, even from last year. Titus Brown was a big loss, but there are some nice lb's to fit in.
The little guy Skine, is a helluva player. The first string secondary is very excellent, the backups can play, too. The whole defense kicks ass often, teams don't get away with much,
and it's a new staff with a new defense and some new players. No worries here.
The Browns are very fortunate they drafted Pinkston if they can't find anybody else on the fa list. The backup offensive tackles need to be upgraded,
The backup oline got pushed around, and the backup dline did, too. But, there are all those players who won't be there after Sat.
Jarrett Brown made some beautiful throws. Then, later, he goes goofy and makes mistakes. Even Kosar mentioned that he is talented, but needs
to go to the practice squad. He just isn't ready for prime time. I think Wallace can play - but the years in a different offense seems to make it harder for him
to adapt, and he doesn't run like he used to be able to, and he doesn't see the field nearly instantly like McCoy does.
I really hope the Bears release Sanzenbacher sp? so the Browns can get him. I love the Browns draft, but I'd love this addition if it happened.
And I wouldn't release Windsor - he's a player. We'll see....
I love the instensity and the aggressiveness of these Browns. They mean business, and the love the game. I love the playcalling FINALLY !!!
I love the 4-3 - it's a brilliant move. And, this offense works, well, with the first string...
And Cameron Jordan? Or was it Jordan Cameron? He is amazing - man, what a talent. He has to make the team - he won't last
two seconds on the practice squad.
Of course there is a lack of depth. They only started getting their first string teams intact this year. Later on, and in the waiver wire, the depth really gets going.
The Browns now have a team, where anybody they put on the practice squad is going to be frantically screened by other teams.
It didn't used to be that way, so REJOICE ! @@
These Browns are really exciting to watch on both sides of the ball. It's going to be a great season.
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Nothing troubles me about our Browns, it ain't my job, and it ain't my responsibility.
What I did notice though:
I think Aldhous sp? Smith, rb, makes the team. He's coachable just fine, a smart kid, and is lightning in a bottle. The team needs the speed.
I like the Porter kid, but he isn't explosive like Smith.
I think this is Robiskie's (oh, however you spell it GGG) breakout year. Gregg Little is going to be a star. Momass needs to get out there.
The first string defense is dynamic. The difference is huge, even from last year. Titus Brown was a big loss, but there are some nice lb's to fit in.
The little guy Skine, is a helluva player. The first string secondary is very excellent, the backups can play, too. The whole defense kicks ass often, teams don't get away with much,
and it's a new staff with a new defense and some new players. No worries here.
The Browns are very fortunate they drafted Pinkston if they can't find anybody else on the fa list. The backup offensive tackles need to be upgraded,
The backup oline got pushed around, and the backup dline did, too. But, there are all those players who won't be there after Sat.
Jarrett Brown made some beautiful throws. Then, later, he goes goofy and makes mistakes. Even Kosar mentioned that he is talented, but needs
to go to the practice squad. He just isn't ready for prime time. I think Wallace can play - but the years in a different offense seems to make it harder for him
to adapt, and he doesn't run like he used to be able to, and he doesn't see the field nearly instantly like McCoy does.
I really hope the Bears release Sanzenbacher sp? so the Browns can get him. I love the Browns draft, but I'd love this addition if it happened.
And I wouldn't release Windsor - he's a player. We'll see....
I love the instensity and the aggressiveness of these Browns. They mean business, and the love the game. I love the playcalling FINALLY !!!
I love the 4-3 - it's a brilliant move. And, this offense works, well, with the first string...
And Cameron Jordan? Or was it Jordan Cameron? He is amazing - man, what a talent. He has to make the team - he won't last
two seconds on the practice squad.
Of course there is a lack of depth. They only started getting their first string teams intact this year. Later on, and in the waiver wire, the depth really gets going.
The Browns now have a team, where anybody they put on the practice squad is going to be frantically screened by other teams.
It didn't used to be that way, so REJOICE ! @@
These Browns are really exciting to watch on both sides of the ball. It's going to be a great season.
Nothing troubles me about our Browns, it ain't my job, and it ain't my responsibility.
I think this is Robiskie's (oh, however you spell it GGG) breakout year. Gregg Little is going to be a star. Momass needs to get out there.
It didn't used to be that way, so REJOICE ! @@
These Browns are really exciting to watch on both sides of the ball. It's going to be a great season.
Good post Cal... Optimistic and positive. I like that attitude with the season just around the corner... From reading the boxes from last night's game, it sounds life Robo had a good time... three time targeted, three balls caught-- one for a long-ish gain... How was his separation last night?
And... per your statement... "Greg Little is going to be a star."... didn't see much from him in the games stats... What did you see on the field? I really hope that he steps up!!!!
Thanks for the info...
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My observations and thoughts..
Short off season no time to gel..
New untested coaches,players and systems..
Very Suspect O-line..
Very suspect WR corp..
Very suspect DEs..
Weak and non durable LB corp..
Very suspect FS position..
All combined with very little proven depth anywhere has to lead me to believe another 5 win season could be on tap...
My hopes are high but my expectations are low..
We are potentially only one or two injuries away from a long season..
If colt goes down its game over..
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How can folks get so "down" after all the changes & limited implementation time? We are headed toward better days, but there is still lots to do. Certainly our talent today is far upgraded than in years past. we still need upgrades & depth. As previously stated, if Colt goes down, or Thomas, Haden, Mack, etc....we are hurting big time. We will get there, but no one has a magic wand that reverses performance in a year. The Front Office & Coaching staff "MO" has certainly changed, so let's enjoy Brown's football 2011 knowing that we're on the right path & not looking to blow things up at the end of the season.
Also, keep in mind that some "roster" players last night were playing beside others who will be cut, so those roster players were limited by their supporting cast.
Mike
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I couldn't agree more about depth, but did anyone think we'd really have any to start with? If you're taking the whole body of the pre-season to make your opinions, then yea i'll listen to you. But don't take hardly anything from last night's game other than depth concerns. The 4th pre-season game is absolutely nothing more than giving the guys battling for a roster spot a chance to shine.
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I couldn't agree more about depth, but did anyone think we'd really have any to start with? If you're taking the whole body of the pre-season to make your opinions, then yea i'll listen to you. But don't take hardly anything from last night's game other than depth concerns. The 4th pre-season game is absolutely nothing more than giving the guys battling for a roster spot a chance to shine.
I couldn't agree more about depth, but did anyone think we'd really have any to start with? If you're taking the whole body of the pre-season to make your opinions, then yea i'll listen to you. But don't take hardly anything from last night's game other than depth concerns. The 4th pre-season game is absolutely nothing more than giving the guys battling for a roster spot a chance to shine.
Exactly! The Browns have come a long way, but some expectations are totally unrealistic. Depth will come, but it will take awhile. I can be patient as we are finally doing things in a consistent way....I think it's the right way.
Mike
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Just to touch on the predictability thing....fellas this is a new coaching staff....a new offensive system....a new defensive system...a bunch of young inexperienced players...and oh yeah a shortened...check that non existent off season. It's gonna be vanilla for the first half of the season due to the lockout. And I know I know...what about all the other teams that had the same disadvantage of a shortened off season. Well when you have a Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger...or Philip Rivers....throw in an Adrian Peterson...or Arian Foster...with Andre Johnson...or Larry Fitzgerald that's familiar with an offensive system...or if you have the same punishing defense you've had for years....a shortened off season doesn't make nearly the difference that it does when it's all brand new. I know......I'm with you guys about being tired of losing but everyone on this thing knows that there's little chance that this team is going to see the playoffs as is (with all the disadvantages I mentioned before).
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I suppose the most troubling thing about the team is the possible lack of playmakers on both the O and the D.
Now, there are some candidates. Hillis, McCoy, Cribbs, Watson, Little (JT). Taylor, Ward, Haden on D. HOw premier a playmaker some of these are remains to be seen. And it would be nice to see, say a Lawrence Taylor at LB. We don't have anything there.
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Haha I just read carson palmer might show up to cinci to stick it to mike brown. They would be forced to trade, release or keep him as a 11.5 million dollar back up cause they are set on dalton as there starter
Haha I just read carson palmer might show up to cinci to stick it to mike brown. They would be forced to trade, release or keep him as a 11.5 million dollar back up cause they are set on dalton as their starter
Yep, that's the buzz down in Bungleland. Supposedly has talked directly with Mike Brown, so there's dialogue going on. Actually, as you mentioned Palmer has Eleven Million reasons to stick it to Mike Brown. That's a $700,000 per week paycheck. I don't think Palmer would do it- because he's too high character- but he could just show up and do a bad attitude act to force a trade.
As to my concerns about the Browns- 1) Can Pinkston play at a high level, and 2) Can anyone on this team play decent at linebacker?
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Is it the Defense or the lack of depth? Or, anything else you may think will be our Achilles Heel.
Is it the Defense or the lack of depth? Or, anything else you may think will be our Achilles Heel.
Again the problem as it has been for years.......................is lack of skill players on offense .....thus no punch when needed
why is the question always about D when Offense wins championships?????????????????
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
Just to touch on the predictability thing....fellas this is a new coaching staff....a new offensive system....a new defensive system...a bunch of young inexperienced players...and oh yeah a shortened...check that non existent off season. It's gonna be vanilla for the first half of the season due to the lockout. And I know I know...what about all the other teams that had the same disadvantage of a shortened off season. Well when you have a Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger...or Philip Rivers....throw in an Adrian Peterson...or Arian Foster...with Andre Johnson...or Larry Fitzgerald that's familiar with an offensive system...or if you have the same punishing defense you've had for years....a shortened off season doesn't make nearly the difference that it does when it's all brand new. I know......I'm with you guys about being tired of losing but everyone on this thing knows that there's little chance that this team is going to see the playoffs as is (with all the disadvantages I mentioned before).
Just to touch on the predictability thing....fellas this is a new coaching staff....a new offensive system....a new defensive system...a bunch of young inexperienced players...and oh yeah a shortened...check that non existent off season. It's gonna be vanilla for the first half of the season due to the lockout. And I know I know...what about all the other teams that had the same disadvantage of a shortened off season. Well when you have a Tom Brady or Ben Roethlisberger...or Philip Rivers....throw in an Adrian Peterson...or Arian Foster...with Andre Johnson...or Larry Fitzgerald that's familiar with an offensive system...or if you have the same punishing defense you've had for years....a shortened off season doesn't make nearly the difference that it does when it's all brand new. I know......I'm with you guys about being tired of losing but everyone on this thing knows that there's little chance that this team is going to see the playoffs as is (with all the disadvantages I mentioned before).
I agree with everything written above but the one thing that I dont understand with everything being new why the hell were the starters held out of the game. There is know way with missing all the practice time, this team is where it should be. I dont even want to hear the injury BS, even New England had there starters in for a series and they are a little ahead of us.
Just blowing off some steam but I think we could use the extra reps
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Zombo said:
I tend to go into the season optimistic and then get mad when they don't do well ... that is my m.o. ... always higher expectatations than most.
However, this year, this team, really is cause for excitement.
First of all, I'm in love with Colt McCoy as a QB. As much as I was lukewarm on Frye and Quinn from the get go ... I just think this kid is going to be not just good, but great. He is just so damn accurate, this offense is built for him. And he just has all the intangibles and correct mindset for a QB. Colt, alone, is a reason to be much more optimistic than usual.
Secondly, last season we discovered a true feautre back that was just pounding defenses in Hillis. We've been waiting forever for this guy. The man is a truck, he can run inside, run outside, catch passes, knock people on their asses ... he's a perfect fit at tailback.
Then we've got two Pro Bowlers on the offensive line and lots of young guy who look like they are going to stick and make a long-term impact. If we can block then McCoy and Hillis are going to explode on teams.
Defensively, I LOVE the picks of Taylor and Sheard, and the tall dude we picked from Minnesota last year (Jayme Mitchell?) and while our linebacker corp lacks depth, the starters are very, very solid ... expect big things from DQwell this year.
Then, you look at our secondary, and we just happened to draft two outright STARS last year in Haden in Ward. Plus we've got the eveteran back there and some new guys who have passed the eyeball test so far.
Colt, Hillis, Little, Moore, Thomas, Mack, Rubin, Sheard, Taylor, Mitchell, Bernard, Ward, Haden ... stop me when I've mentioned someone over 27!
And then Josh Cribbs is, in my opinion, going to bounce back from a down year to regain his status as one of the most exciting, and effective, players in the NFL again.
How can you NOT be excited about this team?
Zombo
Glad to hear your optimism. I've been optimistic about the team since they came back into the league. I think between this team and my college team (Usf) my optimism has been slightly jaded.
I agree that this is the best looking browns team since their return. I'm pumped but I wont be overly optimistic this time until I have reason. I get so excited for football season but in the end both my teams are usually disappointing.
Ill definitely give them a chance, but I'm going to hold off on getting too excited til we see what happens when the regular season starts.
Fyi hope everyone can root for Usf against Notre Dame tomorrow. I know Mitchel will be.
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Zombo said:
Even Lou Holtz is rooting for USF!
Z
Only because his son is the coach and his wife made him. Lol
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