Seneca Wallace Starts, Browns Beat Arizona--What Happens To Colt Mccoy-Poll
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Ahahahahahaha first off...Seneca shouldve been starting the whole time
Secondly...the browns have far bigger problems to worry about than the QB. If they draft a QB next year it'll be another 10 years of disappointment.
Ahahahahahaha first off...Seneca shouldve been starting the whole time
Secondly...the browns have far bigger problems to worry about than the QB. If they draft a QB next year it'll be another 10 years of disappointment.
I love hindsight. I agree we would have won more games this season if Wallace was the starter. He knows this system inside and out and at least is just as accurate as Colt is from what I've seen out of Colt this season.
It's pretty much guaranteed. You invest a first round pick on a QB...especially a top 10(maybe top 5) pick and it sets Ur team back a decade. The money and time you have to invest in a first round QB means not only are you rebuilding, but you also have to give him time to succeed which could be up to 5 years
If he fails in those 5 years you scramble to find a replacement in free agency and begin rebuilding all over again. By the time you get over the fear of drafting another first round QB so much time has gone by
It's not true for every position but QBs are an all-in type pick
You pick the face of Ur franchise for the next several years and it either works out or it cripples you
Examples...Tim couch...Brady Quinn
I would say it sets you back only 5 years or just depending on how long it takes the team to realize they need to start looking else where.
This argument assumes a first round QB being a bust but with the team the browns have now, they need way way more than a QB
Colt or Seneca is good enough to get the brownies through this stage of rebuilding
No they aren't franchise QBs but you don't draft a franchise QB when the rest of Ur team is garbage. The browns are terrible from top to bottom except for a handful of players like Joe thomas and Alex Mack.
Of course the browns are terrible...don't you want them to get better? Drafting a QB means Ur ignoring all the other issues that are far more pressing.
I watch every game...apparently more than you because you don't understand how to fundamentally build a team
I agree that at least Seneca is good enough to get us through rebuilding, but I think we should still look QB if there is one they like this season. It never hurts to sit a QB for a season or two regardless of where you draft them, there is just a huge stigma about sitting a high draft pick. If Shurmer and the FO can shut out all the cries from fans and media to start the 1st round QB then there should be no problem drafting a Barkley or RGIII with the our first pick and then spending the rest of the draft/next years draft getting people to put around them.
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Ahahahahahaha first off...Seneca shouldve been starting the whole time
Secondly...the browns have far bigger problems to worry about than the QB. If they draft a QB next year it'll be another 10 years of disappointment.
Ahahahahahaha first off...Seneca shouldve been starting the whole time
Secondly...the browns have far bigger problems to worry about than the QB. If they draft a QB next year it'll be another 10 years of disappointment.
You have no freeking clue about anything. There is a reason Wallace is the backup here: he ain't very good.
And I say, if they draft a QB, it could very well be with a late round pick....and that pick becomes the new Brett Favre. Let's see, who could that be?:
Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi. Same school as Favre.
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that argument is so so wrong, wow. Look at every team that has gotten good, and there's always a clear pattern there. Despite the needs of the team, a franchise QB is need number 1. Do you think the colts were good before they drafted peyton? saints before the trade for brees? Falcons before Ryan? A franchise QB is the quintessential piece in framing a team in today's NFL, period. There's no argument you can make against it. Colt is a game manager QB and that type of QB is gone from the NFL. Without a guy who can sling the rock around that team is never going to win a championship. The only true exception to this right now is the 49ers and I think they'll be out before the NFC championship game. The argument that investing in a bad QB that ends up sucking is obviously true, it doesn't take a football guru to point out that genius piece of info. But nearly every starting QB in the NFL has been a high 1st round QB (Brady and Brees being the exceptions, and Brees was still early 2nd)
If you honestly think having a franchise QB isn't the most important part of a winning NFL team you have no business talking football. It's not ignoring other needs when QB is a need in and of itself.
Peyton Manning drafted in 1998 didn't win the Superbowl until 2006.
Drew Brees drafted in 2001 didn't win the Superbowl until 2009.
Matt Ryan...no superbowl to date
Both Peyton and Drew took EIGHT YEARS to get to the Superbowl.
No matter what it takes time...time that this fanbase and media will never give the FO.
BTW it took Bill Cowher 14 seasons to win the Superbowl...
TIME
WHICH IS THE ANTI-CHRIST IN CLEVELAND
Both Peyton and Drew took EIGHT YEARS to get to the Superbowl.
Yep it took some time alright. Oh yeah, and SOME REAL STARTING CALIBER QB TALENT to begin with!!!
Peyton and Drew were light years ahead of Colt at this point. You could see the superstar potential starting to show in their play. Never once has McCoy even given an iota of evidence that will ever happen with him.
Oh and don't go pull up some horseshit stat to make a point. Stats don't begin to tell that story. Colt will never ever never never ever never be Peyton. So if it takes 8 years for top tier Qbs to win SBs, we are wasting our time.
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I think Colt is gone after this season regardless of how Seneca performs or how Colt finishes the season
Seneca Wallace Starts, Browns Beat Arizona--What Happens To Colt McCoy-POLL
I think Colt is gone after this season regardless of how Seneca performs or how Colt finishes the season
Seneca Wallace Starts, Browns Beat Arizona--What Happens To Colt McCoy-POLL
We will likely get our asses kicked so your poll is flawed
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if we draft a qb next year, with all the holes we need to fill, then holmgren will be the biggest dumbest dick in nfl history.
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I would like to add something here. Quarterback talk, for those who have no clue! The Browns have gone from stanky gutless clueless QB's for 10 years to Colt. Guess what maybe Colt is NOT the answer, but he plays with heart and came from winning which is now losing in Texas so that says something about Colt. He has ZERO weapons to work with, three useless running backs and a bunch of WR's who cannot get open and cannot catch
Colt may not be the answer to greatness, BUT IN NO WAY HE IS THE PROBLEM
and IF YOU ARE SO DUMB TO NOT SEE THAT, well quit submitting football analysis and start writing about which toilet paper serves your useless football brain ass best
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How about this scenario: The Browns again trade down and go from about 8th into the early 20s of the first round, giving them an early 20s pick and a mid 20s pick with their ATL pick. Also, they get a 2d rounder in the mid 20s. That gives them 4 of the top 60 or so picks and they take:
Zack Brown LB North Carolina
Michael Floyed WR Notre Dame
Jonathan Banks CB Miss. St.
Kirk Cousins QB Mich St.
What say you all?
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yes. i agree with rich4dick. colt might not be the answer but he is serviceable. fill the holes. get some weapons. (get a coach) then let's judge him. there are qbs every year in the draft. we need WR, RT, OLB, DE, CB, S, RB etc. etc.etc. etc.
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How about this scenario: The Browns again trade down and go from about 8th into the early 20s of the first round, giving them an early 20s pick and a mid 20s pick with their ATL pick. Also, they get a 2d rounder in the mid 20s. That gives them 4 of the top 60 or so picks and they take:
Zack Brown LB North Carolina
Michael Floyed WR Notre Dame
Jonathan Banks CB Miss. St.
Kirk Cousins QB Mich St.
What say you all?
How about this scenario: The Browns again trade down and go from about 8th into the early 20s of the first round, giving them an early 20s pick and a mid 20s pick with their ATL pick. Also, they get a 2d rounder in the mid 20s. That gives them 4 of the top 60 or so picks and they take:
Zack Brown LB North Carolina
Michael Floyed WR Notre Dame
Jonathan Banks CB Miss. St.
Kirk Cousins QB Mich St.
What say you all?
Not a big fan of Brown, and if we have say 5-7 first pick to early for Brown....
Say we do not draft a QB..
Then it will be Richerson or Jefferies with first...
Say Jefferies, Blackmon, Richerson are all gone with our first pick. The Browns will trade down...LOL this Board will explode...LOL
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I don't know why everybody want us to draft a QB high. We have too many holes to fill to worry about getting a QB. RT,RG,WR,LB,another DE to compliment Sheard, and we still don't know what's going on a RB. Perhaps we can get a good veteran QB in FA to run the offense until we are ready to draft our franchise QB.
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I don't know why everybody want us to draft a QB high. We have too many holes to fill to worry about getting a QB. RT,RG,WR,LB,another DE to compliment Sheard, and we still don't know what's going on a RB. Perhaps we can get a good veteran QB in FA to run the offense until we are ready to draft our franchise QB.
I don't know why everybody want us to draft a QB high. We have too many holes to fill to worry about getting a QB. RT,RG,WR,LB,another DE to compliment Sheard, and we still don't know what's going on a RB. Perhaps we can get a good veteran QB in FA to run the offense until we are ready to draft our franchise QB.
Yeah I bet Carolina is so pissed they passed on a RT for Cam Newton.
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I don't know why everybody want us to draft a QB high. We have too many holes to fill to worry about getting a QB. RT,RG,WR,LB,another DE to compliment Sheard, and we still don't know what's going on a RB. Perhaps we can get a good veteran QB in FA to run the offense until we are ready to draft our franchise QB.
Yeah I bet Carolina is so pissed they passed on a RT for Cam Newton.
Yeah I bet Carolina is so pissed they passed on a RT for Cam Newton.
What's their record again?
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Yeah I bet Carolina is so pissed they passed on a RT for Cam Newton.
What's their record again?
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Watch this.
Carolina 2010 passing/total yards ranking............32/32
Carolina 2011 passing/total yards ranking.............9/6
Tell me another single pick that makes that kind of improvement?
like neo already pointed out.....their record is terrible
having said that....the panthers have a pretty good offensive line already. not only that but they went out and added 2 pro bowl caliber TEs to compliment their already spectacular running game
carolina needed a QB....the browns dont...HUGE DIFFERENCE
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Watch this.
Carolina 2010 passing/total yards ranking............32/32
Carolina 2011 passing/total yards ranking.............9/6
Tell me another single pick that makes that kind of improvement?
Cam Newton's team has the same record as a team led by Colt McCoy. So you're basically saying that their defense is all to blame for the 4-9 record. Like our 31st rush defense rank has anything to do with our record. Point is that you need a complete team to be competitive and QB alone doesn't do that. We have too many holes to fill to give up on McCoy. If we played better defense, maybe we would have a better record. If our receiver catch the damn ball, maybe we have a better record.
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Zombo said:
Why are we comparing Cam Newton with Colt McCoy? Cam had a better game in first NFL start than McCoy has in two years.
I love Colt, but he's not on the same page as Newton talent-wise.
Z
carolina TEs>browns TEs
carolina LBs>browns LBs
carolina OL>browns OL
Carolina WRs>Browns WRs
you put a #1 overall QB onto a team with more talent and you are going to see better results immediately
its so dumb that QBs get credit for a team doing better when football is the purest team sport in the world
QBs are only one player out of 53
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Zombo said:
Why are we comparing Cam Newton with Colt McCoy? Cam had a better game in first NFL start than McCoy has in two years.
I love Colt, but he's not on the same page as Newton talent-wise.
Z
carolina TEs>browns TEs
carolina LBs>browns LBs
carolina OL>browns OL
Carolina WRs>Browns WRs
you put a #1 overall QB onto a team with more talent and you are going to see better results immediately
its so dumb that QBs get credit for a team doing better when football is the purest team sport in the world
QBs are only one player out of 53
its so dumb that QBs get credit for a team doing better when football is the purest team sport in the world
QBs are only one player out of 53
Tell that to the Colts
QB's are like starting pitchers in baseball, an ace wins games for you single handily.
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You guys are ridiculous. No one said we are a qb away from the playoffs. But if your saying we can't fill holes and draft a qb with the first pick then your just dense.
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Zombo said:
Why are we comparing Cam Newton with Colt McCoy? Cam had a better game in first NFL start than McCoy has in two years.
I love Colt, but he's not on the same page as Newton talent-wise.
Z
carolina TEs>browns TEs
carolina LBs>browns LBs
carolina OL>browns OL
Carolina WRs>Browns WRs
you put a #1 overall QB onto a team with more talent and you are going to see better results immediately
its so dumb that QBs get credit for a team doing better when football is the purest team sport in the world
QBs are only one player out of 53
carolina TEs>browns TEs
carolina LBs>browns LBs
carolina OL>browns OL
Carolina WRs>Browns WRs
you put a #1 overall QB onto a team with more talent and you are going to see better results immediately
its so dumb that QBs get credit for a team doing better when football is the purest team sport in the world
QBs are only one player out of 53
If they are so much more talented why did Carolina pick first last draft? You gonna blame that on one player out of 53?
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