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Why Heckert Won't Pull The Trigger On Rg3

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  • I approve of this.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride

  • I also approve of this. McCoy can be a good qb. Use the #4 pick for a skill position player/defensive beast!!!

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  • TypicalBrownsT TypicalBrowns

    I also approve of this. McCoy can be a good qb. Use the #4 pick for a skill position player/defensive beast!!!

    @typicalbrowns said:

    Use the #4 pick for a skill position player/defensive beast!!!

    ^^^ This

  • lol, who cares what RG3 and Colt did in college. It is irrevelant. Stats are irrevelant. It is how their games transfer to the pros that count.

    It isn't Heckert's choice. If Holmgren wants a QB, he will make that pick. I doubt he wants Griffin.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • what? holmgren isn't the GM.....he's not in charge of personnel. he can add input, sure.....but its not his decision. he screwed up once by pulling rank to draft colt....

  • B brownfish

    Comparing RG3 to Colt Jr. Year/ this is why Heckert won't do it again.

    RG3 McCoy

    completions 267 332

    attempts 369 433

    pass yards 3,998 3,859

    completion percentage 72.4% 76.7%

    Touchdowns 36 34

    Interceptions 6 8

    Rushes 161 136

    Yards 644 561

    Longest run 49 44

    Rush TDs 9 11

    Total Yards 4,657 4,420

    *intangibles RG3 is faster, smarter and has nicer teeth

    Colt is tougher, cheaper and has a better looking wife

    you can always buy nicer teeth but you really can't buy a better wife, and keep most of your money

    so you see we can get colt nicer teeth for a lot less than we can get RG3 a better looking wife

    The browns organization will save a bundle in the long run

    @brownfish said:

    Comparing RG3 to Colt Jr. Year/ this is why Heckert won't do it again.

    RG3 McCoy

    completions 267 332

    attempts 369 433

    pass yards 3,998 3,859

    completion percentage 72.4% 76.7%

    Touchdowns 36 34

    Interceptions 6 8

    Rushes 161 136

    Yards 644 561

    Longest run 49 44

    Rush TDs 9 11

    Total Yards 4,657 4,420

    *intangibles RG3 is faster, smarter and has nicer teeth

    Colt is tougher, cheaper and has a better looking wife

    you can always buy nicer teeth but you really can't buy a better wife, and keep most of your money

    so you see we can get colt nicer teeth for a lot less than we can get RG3 a better looking wife

    The browns organization will save a bundle in the long run

    There is certainly a lot of legitimacy when you look at the pure statistics to say that Colt was every bit as good a QB as RGIII.

  • You cant just judge a QB just off there college careers....if it was the case Colt wouldnt have lasted until the 3rd round and Kellen Moore would be a top 5 pick

  • I think colt can eventually be a very good nfl QB and an excellent backup right now but he appears to be a long term project at best..

    This offense needs speed/hands and the o-line needs stability before bringing in a potential star QB and ruining his future and potentially his health..

    The horse without the wagon cant get the corn to market..

    Heckert is very good at what he does and we really need him to bring us skilled potentially near impact players regardless of the positions they play, this team needs help everywhere..

    We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!

  • I think I'm okay with us drafting RG3, so long as we make Colt the starter for another year.

    Mark OM 1 Reply

  • I'd say there are more pressing needs that will go unaddressed if we burn the # 4 pick on an also ran QB.

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  • ^^^ exactomundo!

  • H Hempman

    lol, who cares what RG3 and Colt did in college. It is irrevelant. Stats are irrevelant. It is how their games transfer to the pros that count.

    It isn't Heckert's choice. If Holmgren wants a QB, he will make that pick. I doubt he wants Griffin.

    Yup... the college stats are irrelevant, but whatever leads to the right decision, not drafting RGIII, is fine by me... but I'm afraid...

    @hempman said:

    It isn't Heckert's choice. If Holmgren wants a QB, he will make that pick. I doubt he wants Griffin.

    RGIII is a faster stronger Seneca... and MH loves him his Seneca...

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  • VaporTrailV VaporTrail

    I think I'm okay with us drafting RG3, so long as we make Colt the starter for another year.

    @vaportrail said:

    I think I'm okay with us drafting RG3, so long as we make Colt the starter for another year.

    We draft a QB in round 1..he's starting week 1 next year and Colt is gone.

    BrownB499B kamac19K 2 Replies
  • Mark OM Mark O

    @vaportrail said:

    I think I'm okay with us drafting RG3, so long as we make Colt the starter for another year.

    We draft a QB in round 1..he's starting week 1 next year and Colt is gone.

    @mark-o said:

    We draft a QB in round 1..he's starting week 1 next year and Colt is gone.

    Exactly...4-12 teams don't draft top 10 talent with the intention of sitting them for a year while they learn...They have to contribute from day 1

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @vaportrail said:

    I think I'm okay with us drafting RG3, so long as we make Colt the starter for another year.

    We draft a QB in round 1..he's starting week 1 next year and Colt is gone.

    @mark-o said:

    We draft a QB in round 1..he's starting week 1 next year and Colt is gone.

    What you think they would get for Colt, reckon get back a 3rd for him, think he has at least proved worthy of that sort of pick, with possible improvement in the right system.

  • kamac19K kamac19

    @mark-o said:

    We draft a QB in round 1..he's starting week 1 next year and Colt is gone.

    What you think they would get for Colt, reckon get back a 3rd for him, think he has at least proved worthy of that sort of pick, with possible improvement in the right system.

    @kamac19 said:

    What you think they would get for Colt, reckon get back a 3rd for him, think he has at least proved worthy of that sort of pick, with possible improvement in the right system.

    I would be surprised if we could get a 5th for him

  • I'm sure we could get something...maybe 3rd or 4th possibly. With all the money Seneca makes, he'll be the backup because no one is going to trade for him. Colt has at least some value as a possible future starter.

  • We NEEEEED to keep Colt. Give him two recievers from the draft, a RB complimenting Hillis, an O coordinator, and an even more elite bend but dont break defense...and we will see the scores starting to get flipped in the Browns favor. I'm telling you, Colt WILL get better. The guy is so tough and raw and eager to start winning. Why would we get yet ANOTHER QB in the first only to compare to Colt, hence beginning more QB controversy. Colt needs to

    1. Adapt to the speed of the game- yes he still hasn't quite gottent down the notch that an NFL QB's play should be at, but jeez the team led the league in drops AGAIN this year. And for those saying Wallace throws to recievers better than Colt, Wallace does this only a TAD better than McCoy after 11 years of being in the league. I'm sure in the next 2-3 yrs McCoy can be on the same level.

    2.Develop Quicker Awareness- This goes from knowing when to throw the ball away/out of bounds once the pocket collapses, and knowing when to run the ball if there are openings in the D. (He had a bad knack for not running with the ball even if there is clearly room to run in front of him).

    3.Arm Strength- Some say his hands are too small, some say he doen't set his feet right, some say he has a pool noodle for an arm. This was a problem because of the lack of recievers that actually GO for the ball(young wrs who also have not gotten use to the speed of the game), and also a boneheaded coach calling plays for a Dan Marino/Joe Montana rather than a Colt McCoy. McCoy showed in a 40 completions to 61 attempts passing game that he can get the ball to recievers. And YAC will only get better for Little and hopefully Blackmon/Wright. With the WCO, downfield throws aren't as common. McCoy can work in our offense, it just needs something Browns fans hate, TIME.

    4.Accuracy- McCoy has shown some dumb throws, as well as inaccurate throws over the head or at the feet of recievers. Some say it's cause of the height of McCoy.He can't see over o-lineman, I disagree. McCoy hasn't developed the "sense" of knowing where exactly to throw the ball. Watching Drew Brees play is a perfect example. With his ability he's developed, he doesnt need to exactly "see" the reciver. It's muscle memory, throwing a certain pattern to a certain guy has a certain feel to it. Brees has this (as shown against Detroit last night)Colt doesn't have this yet. YET

    5.Toughness/Mentality- McCoy has BALLS, KAHUNAS, HAIR ON HIS PEACHES, whatever you wanna call it. The dude played his heart out with a terrible offense around him, a line that (for the most part of the season) gave up sacks, hurries, and hits like Megan Fox gives out boners. It took Jerome Harrison colliding his face with McCoys mid air to get Colt off the field, and he STILL came back out. Yes he threw a pick right after, and shouldn't of been in the game, but damn....he wants to win.

    I've always said to keep colt, and to retrieve a QB in the later rounds, 2-3-4. Nothing in the 1st. McCoy is a QB this franchise hasn't had in a while. He's extremely raw for the NFL. If McCoy w3as on the bengals, in place of Andy Dalton. I guarantee you he goes the EXACT same record, maybe even a little better. WHY? The bungles had a D in place, 1 pro bowl reciever with 3 other extremely solid recievers. Decent RBS, and a decent line. That's a rookie QBs dream, and Dalton is living it. McCoy will be better than Dalton in the long run. He has more mobility, he's tougher, and he almost beat Dalton twice this year with inferior products at his dispense.

    KEEEEEEP COOOOOOLT

  • Sorry, but other than #5 your points read like a case against Colt... You are making me reconsider my previous support of him.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Sorry, but other than #5 your points read like a case against Colt... You are making me reconsider my previous support of him.

    @tour2ma said:

    Sorry, but other than #5 your points read like a case against Colt... You are making me reconsider my previous support of him.

    It's simply a list of things he could get better at.

    Every QB in the league has 5 things they could improve on.

    McCoy is the real deal, but we want the flavor of the month RG30000 TI-80 bot sent from the future to kill Sarah Connor.

    Give McCoy the two T's, Time, Talent. Talent comes first.

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