Why Heckert Won't Pull The Trigger On Rg3
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Comparing RG3 to Colt Jr. Year/ this is why Heckert won't do it again.
RG3 McCoy
completions 267 332
attempts 369 433
pass yards 3,998 3,859
completion percentage 72.4% 76.7%
Touchdowns 36 34
Interceptions 6 8
Rushes 161 136
Yards 644 561
Longest run 49 44
Rush TDs 9 11
Total Yards 4,657 4,420
*intangibles RG3 is faster, smarter and has nicer teeth
Colt is tougher, cheaper and has a better looking wife
you can always buy nicer teeth but you really can't buy a better wife, and keep most of your money
so you see we can get colt nicer teeth for a lot less than we can get RG3 a better looking wife
The browns organization will save a bundle in the long run
Comparing RG3 to Colt Jr. Year/ this is why Heckert won't do it again.
RG3 McCoy
completions 267 332
attempts 369 433
pass yards 3,998 3,859
completion percentage 72.4% 76.7%
Touchdowns 36 34
Interceptions 6 8
Rushes 161 136
Yards 644 561
Longest run 49 44
Rush TDs 9 11
Total Yards 4,657 4,420
*intangibles RG3 is faster, smarter and has nicer teeth
Colt is tougher, cheaper and has a better looking wife
you can always buy nicer teeth but you really can't buy a better wife, and keep most of your money
so you see we can get colt nicer teeth for a lot less than we can get RG3 a better looking wife
The browns organization will save a bundle in the long run
There is certainly a lot of legitimacy when you look at the pure statistics to say that Colt was every bit as good a QB as RGIII.
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I think colt can eventually be a very good nfl QB and an excellent backup right now but he appears to be a long term project at best..
This offense needs speed/hands and the o-line needs stability before bringing in a potential star QB and ruining his future and potentially his health..
The horse without the wagon cant get the corn to market..
Heckert is very good at what he does and we really need him to bring us skilled potentially near impact players regardless of the positions they play, this team needs help everywhere..
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I think I'm okay with us drafting RG3, so long as we make Colt the starter for another year.
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I'd say there are more pressing needs that will go unaddressed if we burn the # 4 pick on an also ran QB.
WSS,
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^^^ exactomundo!
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lol, who cares what RG3 and Colt did in college. It is irrevelant. Stats are irrevelant. It is how their games transfer to the pros that count.
It isn't Heckert's choice. If Holmgren wants a QB, he will make that pick. I doubt he wants Griffin.
Yup... the college stats are irrelevant, but whatever leads to the right decision, not drafting RGIII, is fine by me... but I'm afraid...
It isn't Heckert's choice. If Holmgren wants a QB, he will make that pick. I doubt he wants Griffin.
RGIII is a faster stronger Seneca... and MH loves him his Seneca...
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I think I'm okay with us drafting RG3, so long as we make Colt the starter for another year.
I think I'm okay with us drafting RG3, so long as we make Colt the starter for another year.
We draft a QB in round 1..he's starting week 1 next year and Colt is gone.
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I think I'm okay with us drafting RG3, so long as we make Colt the starter for another year.
We draft a QB in round 1..he's starting week 1 next year and Colt is gone.
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I think I'm okay with us drafting RG3, so long as we make Colt the starter for another year.
We draft a QB in round 1..he's starting week 1 next year and Colt is gone.
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We NEEEEED to keep Colt. Give him two recievers from the draft, a RB complimenting Hillis, an O coordinator, and an even more elite bend but dont break defense...and we will see the scores starting to get flipped in the Browns favor. I'm telling you, Colt WILL get better. The guy is so tough and raw and eager to start winning. Why would we get yet ANOTHER QB in the first only to compare to Colt, hence beginning more QB controversy. Colt needs to
1. Adapt to the speed of the game- yes he still hasn't quite gottent down the notch that an NFL QB's play should be at, but jeez the team led the league in drops AGAIN this year. And for those saying Wallace throws to recievers better than Colt, Wallace does this only a TAD better than McCoy after 11 years of being in the league. I'm sure in the next 2-3 yrs McCoy can be on the same level.
2.Develop Quicker Awareness- This goes from knowing when to throw the ball away/out of bounds once the pocket collapses, and knowing when to run the ball if there are openings in the D. (He had a bad knack for not running with the ball even if there is clearly room to run in front of him).
3.Arm Strength- Some say his hands are too small, some say he doen't set his feet right, some say he has a pool noodle for an arm. This was a problem because of the lack of recievers that actually GO for the ball(young wrs who also have not gotten use to the speed of the game), and also a boneheaded coach calling plays for a Dan Marino/Joe Montana rather than a Colt McCoy. McCoy showed in a 40 completions to 61 attempts passing game that he can get the ball to recievers. And YAC will only get better for Little and hopefully Blackmon/Wright. With the WCO, downfield throws aren't as common. McCoy can work in our offense, it just needs something Browns fans hate, TIME.
4.Accuracy- McCoy has shown some dumb throws, as well as inaccurate throws over the head or at the feet of recievers. Some say it's cause of the height of McCoy.He can't see over o-lineman, I disagree. McCoy hasn't developed the "sense" of knowing where exactly to throw the ball. Watching Drew Brees play is a perfect example. With his ability he's developed, he doesnt need to exactly "see" the reciver. It's muscle memory, throwing a certain pattern to a certain guy has a certain feel to it. Brees has this (as shown against Detroit last night)Colt doesn't have this yet. YET
5.Toughness/Mentality- McCoy has BALLS, KAHUNAS, HAIR ON HIS PEACHES, whatever you wanna call it. The dude played his heart out with a terrible offense around him, a line that (for the most part of the season) gave up sacks, hurries, and hits like Megan Fox gives out boners. It took Jerome Harrison colliding his face with McCoys mid air to get Colt off the field, and he STILL came back out. Yes he threw a pick right after, and shouldn't of been in the game, but damn....he wants to win.
I've always said to keep colt, and to retrieve a QB in the later rounds, 2-3-4. Nothing in the 1st. McCoy is a QB this franchise hasn't had in a while. He's extremely raw for the NFL. If McCoy w3as on the bengals, in place of Andy Dalton. I guarantee you he goes the EXACT same record, maybe even a little better. WHY? The bungles had a D in place, 1 pro bowl reciever with 3 other extremely solid recievers. Decent RBS, and a decent line. That's a rookie QBs dream, and Dalton is living it. McCoy will be better than Dalton in the long run. He has more mobility, he's tougher, and he almost beat Dalton twice this year with inferior products at his dispense.
KEEEEEEP COOOOOOLT
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Sorry, but other than #5 your points read like a case against Colt... You are making me reconsider my previous support of him.
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Sorry, but other than #5 your points read like a case against Colt... You are making me reconsider my previous support of him.
Sorry, but other than #5 your points read like a case against Colt... You are making me reconsider my previous support of him.
It's simply a list of things he could get better at.
Every QB in the league has 5 things they could improve on.
McCoy is the real deal, but we want the flavor of the month RG30000 TI-80 bot sent from the future to kill Sarah Connor.
Give McCoy the two T's, Time, Talent. Talent comes first.
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I can say two things with nearly 100% certainty. 1) Colt won't be traded 2) if we did trade Colt we wouldn't get anything more than a 4th round pick for him and that's pushing it.
Pure numbers can't be used, variables need to be taken into account. And the fact that you have two big 12 QB's has nothing to do with it like one person pointed out. Texas was loaded with talent top to bottom. McCoy was working with an elite group of college players and looked good. RG3 had to turn a very subpar Baylor team into contenders with teams that had hands down more talent then they did.
You then have to look at NFL caliber throws, McCoy never made those throws while Griffin did. Size: that goes to RG3 as well, granted not by much but he's still bigger. Not to mention that McCoy is a solid runner but he's not near the athlete Robert Griffin is.
Bottom line, there's no comparison between Colt and Robert.
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I can say two things with nearly 100% certainty. 1) Colt won't be traded 2) if we did trade Colt we wouldn't get anything more than a 4th round pick for him and that's pushing it.
Pure numbers can't be used, variables need to be taken into account. And the fact that you have two big 12 QB's has nothing to do with it like one person pointed out. Texas was loaded with talent top to bottom. McCoy was working with an elite group of college players and looked good. RG3 had to turn a very subpar Baylor team into contenders with teams that had hands down more talent then they did.
You then have to look at NFL caliber throws, McCoy never made those throws while Griffin did. Size: that goes to RG3 as well, granted not by much but he's still bigger. Not to mention that McCoy is a solid runner but he's not near the athlete Robert Griffin is.
Bottom line, there's no comparison between Colt and Robert.
jparsh said:
I can say two things with nearly 100% certainty. 1) Colt won't be traded 2) if we did trade Colt we wouldn't get anything more than a 4th round pick for him and that's pushing it.
lmao....i love it. there's so many thing wrong with this....all rolled up into one....that im having a hard time determining where to begin. um...you cant know #2) because you know #1) with 100% certainty....
Pure numbers can't be used, variables need to be taken into account. And the fact that you have two big 12 QB's has nothing to do with it like one person pointed out. Texas was loaded with talent top to bottom. McCoy was working with an elite group of college players and looked good. RG3 had to turn a very subpar Baylor team into contenders with teams that had hands down more talent then they did.
exactly what metric are you using for this assertion besides win loss record?
You then have to look at NFL caliber throws, McCoy never made those throws while Griffin did. Size: that goes to RG3 as well, granted not by much but he's still bigger. Not to mention that McCoy is a solid runner but he's not near the athlete Robert Griffin is.
there's more to "nfl caliber throws" than 5 yard hitches and the deep ball. perhaps griffin knows how to throw an out route....but we dont know cause he possibly hasn't ever thrown one....or taken a snap from under center. 6'1" 216 vs. 6"2" 220? youre even gonna mention size?
Bottom line, there's no comparison between Colt and Robert.
well, except all the similarities of conference, stats, opponents, size, smarts, system, few deficiencies....but youre right....no comparison. -
Choco, it's completely reasonable to give a hypothetical outcome to an unlikely scenario. I know we won't trade Colt and I know that his lack luster performance wouldn't garner huge value if he was indeed traded. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that.
As for everything else, all I'll do is defer to the GM's across the league that agree with me and not with you. They feel that Griffin is worthy of a top pick in the draft while most didn't give McCoy a second look. But if you're one of the fans who know more than everyone else than I suggest you waste no more time and get involved in some sort of role at in a football program somewhere and your expertise at recognizing McCoys and Griffins erie similarities will no doubt shoot you up through the ranks with a sure fire endpoint of being an NFL GM. Good luck on that one. But until then you're some guy on a message board trying to pull rank and knock a legitimate point made by an informed fan.
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