Why We Need A Qb
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In less than 2 full seasons of starting colt is already an above average qb in this league and that's without any help from his running game and WRs.
With the PURE SHITSTORM that was the Browns offense this year, he had 16 tds to 13 ints. with no run game.
But no RG3 scored 67 points against Washington! He's already better than Colt!
People need to stfu about rg3
With the PURE SHITSTORM that was the Browns offense this year, he had 16 tds to 13 ints. with no run game.
But no RG3 scored 67 points against Washington! He's already better than Colt!
People need to stfu about rg3
Nobody is saying hes already better than McCoy as far as im aware,i think they are saying he has a higher ceiling than McCoy...We pretty much know how good McCoy can be which is a good serviceable QB where if RG3 reaches his potential he has superstar capability..
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Great...16 TD's to 13 int's. How many TD's late in games against prevent defenses? How many wins did this "above average" QB lead us to?
He's servicable and not terrible but he's no where near being above average at anything except that he can take a beating.
Great...16 TD's to 13 int's. How many TD's late in games against prevent defenses? How many wins did this "above average" QB lead us to?
He's servicable and not terrible but he's no where near being above average at anything except that he can take a beating.
16 TDs to 13 INTs is not terrible. McCoy only had 3 touchdowns in garbage time situations so even if you take those away it is 13 TDs to 13 INTs. And players don't win games - teams do..
I say use most of our early draft picks on building our offense (WR, RB) and draft a QB in the 4th round who can learn behind McCoy and Wallace. Then draft a QB higher in the 2013 draft if McCoy still can't cut it. But 13 TDs to 13 INTs with a crap offense tells me Colt might be able to go something like 20 TDs to 10 INTS with an improved offense. If not, it's not a big deal because we can still get better on offense without selecting a QB. The last thing I want to do is draft another QB that gets thrown in to start right away instead of being allowed time to develop as a backup. Rodgers, Brady, and Brees all had at least 1 year in the league before becoming a starter.. Rodgers had about 4.
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A good QB makes those around him plamakers.
Hines Ward- 3rd round pick.
Emmanuel Sanders-3rd round pick.
Mike Wallace- 3rd round pick.
Antonio Brown- 6th round pick.
Ben Roethlisberger- 1st round pick
James Jones- 3rd round pick.
Donald Driver-7th round pick
Jordy Nelson- 2nd round pick
Randall Cobb- 2nd round pick
Aaron Rodgers- 1st round pick
Pierre Garcon- 6th round pick
Reggie Wayne- 1st round pick
Austin Collie- 4th round pick
Anthony Gonzalez- 1st round pick. (hurts my argument a tad, but I'm presenting all the facts)
Peyton Manning- 1st round pick
And then there's the Patriots, with no 1st round picks at QB or WR. What they do have, however, is two first round and two second round Offensive Linemen. (Thats for you, Ghoolie)
A good QB makes those around him plamakers.
Hines Ward- 3rd round pick.
Emmanuel Sanders-3rd round pick.
Mike Wallace- 3rd round pick.
Antonio Brown- 6th round pick.
Ben Roethlisberger- 1st round pick
James Jones- 3rd round pick.
Donald Driver-7th round pick
Jordy Nelson- 2nd round pick
Randall Cobb- 2nd round pick
Aaron Rodgers- 1st round pick
Pierre Garcon- 6th round pick
Reggie Wayne- 1st round pick
Austin Collie- 4th round pick
Anthony Gonzalez- 1st round pick. (hurts my argument a tad, but I'm presenting all the facts)
Peyton Manning- 1st round pick
And then there's the Patriots, with no 1st round picks at QB or WR. What they do have, however, is two first round and two second round Offensive Linemen. (Thats for you, Ghoolie)
I like the thought that went into this however a first round QB does not a winning team make... for every qb taken in the first round that succeeds there are three that fail.... How good were the rams this year? And how much of the 49ers success can be put in alex smith's hands? David carr / ryan leaf / matt leinart / jason campbell / kyle boller / jamarcus russell...the list goes on and on just because someone takes a qb in the first round doesn;t guarantee their greatness one more year use this year to find the playmakers not the QB...
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With murphy's law in full effect in brownstown and all the changes and the lockout this past year it is really hard to give an accurate assessment of colt mccoy or anything else..
What was easy to see is that colt struggled and played like the rookie he kinda was in a poorly installed system that did not seem to fit him well at all, we saw this regime "observe" mangini era WRs that most of us had already evaluated as likely busts and we saw a newbie HC that had not even but briefly met a few team players, and that had to prepare and implement a system with only film to evaluate the roster and attempt to work out the live bugs and poor fits in under 3 weeks due to the lockout..
Without making excuses, this past year for browns fans and the organization alike was the worst kind of accumulation of things that could possibly go wrong and they almost all did..
Things went so wrong that is hard to accurately evaluate anything other than our WRs suck, shurmurs playcalling sucks, we now have no running game, colt as well as others did not fit or adjust well to this system and the fact that it will take another season to evaluate anything else of any real relevance..
On a positive note jauron and his defense were impressive at times especially before tj ward got hurt, we are only a few players and some learning time away from having a great if not elite defense..
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Or you could find guys like Jamarcus russel, Tim couch, ryan leaf, Alex smith, akili smith, etc etc etc
First round QBs are a gamble
You can hit or miss and set ur franchise up for success...or set ur franchise back another decade
hahahaha and QB's aren't even more of a gamble in other rounds? duuuuuuuuuuude.
hahahaha and QB's aren't even more of a gamble in other rounds? duuuuuuuuuuude.
Do you have any idea what I was talking about? Please don't respond if you're not going to pay attention
All draft picks are gambles...but why gamble on a position that is already somewhat secured. And why waste time tryin to develop some rookie when you could spend more time developing talent where you actually need it
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^^^^ this all the way. The browns will not waste a no 4 pick on a QB. We will draft the LB kavil or whatever his name is, then Kendall wright with the no 22pick. Great first round
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Flacco, Tebow, and Smith were all first round draft picks.
I don't understand the point you are trying to make.
Draft position does not denote talent in the nfl
Best guard in the league was a 5th round pick
Reigning MVP was a 6th round pick
Most consistent WR went undrafted
Don't pretend like the reason you need a QB is because colt isn't a first round pick
Don't be that dumb
Draft position does not denote talent in the nfl
Best guard in the league was a 5th round pick
Reigning MVP was a 6th round pick
Most consistent WR went undrafted
Don't pretend like the reason you need a QB is because colt isn't a first round pick
Don't be that dumb
No, I'm presenting stats and facts to show that a majority of the QB's deemed "great" or "franchise" QB', and are routinely playing in the postseason are first round picks.
What you are doing is being a blowhard front running cockgoblin masquerading as a quasi-Browns fan when in reality you are only here because you were kicked off most Saints forums due to your lack of intelligence and homoerotic fantasies.
It's your turn. Pick up the dice, dungeon master. This time, try to at least use a little bit of statistical information to back up your shitty opinions about a mediocre QB on an awful team.
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Draft position does not denote talent in the nfl
Best guard in the league was a 5th round pick
Reigning MVP was a 6th round pick
Most consistent WR went undrafted
Don't pretend like the reason you need a QB is because colt isn't a first round pick
Don't be that dumb
No, I'm presenting stats and facts to show that a majority of the QB's deemed "great" or "franchise" QB', and are routinely playing in the postseason are first round picks.
What you are doing is being a blowhard front running cockgoblin masquerading as a quasi-Browns fan when in reality you are only here because you were kicked off most Saints forums due to your lack of intelligence and homoerotic fantasies.
It's your turn. Pick up the dice, dungeon master. This time, try to at least use a little bit of statistical information to back up your shitty opinions about a mediocre QB on an awful team.
No, I'm presenting stats and facts to show that a majority of the QB's deemed "great" or "franchise" QB', and are routinely playing in the postseason are first round picks.
What you are doing is being a blowhard front running cockgoblin masquerading as a quasi-Browns fan when in reality you are only here because you were kicked off most Saints forums due to your lack of intelligence and homoerotic fantasies.
It's your turn. Pick up the dice, dungeon master. This time, try to at least use a little bit of statistical information to back up your shitty opinions about a mediocre QB on an awful team.
Oooooooo that was intelligent.
You mad bro?
Sucks when a saints fan knows more about ur team than you do doesn't it?
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If fucking Dilfer can win a Super Bowl, there is no way in hell McCoy can not be serviceable with some weapons.
the NFL Dilfer played in and the NFL of today are completely different, so that's a mute point.
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Someone said it would be a waste to draft a QB at 4, that's crazy. QB is the most important position and Holmgren already said that he'd change that up every year til they have their guy. If Colt was the guy or good enough to be the guy he'd be named the starter already. He's not good enough and he won't be the starter (barring injury to our real starter) but even then Wallace would have a great shot at taking over for McCoy.
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No, I'm presenting stats and facts to show that a majority of the QB's deemed "great" or "franchise" QB', and are routinely playing in the postseason are first round picks.
What you are doing is being a blowhard front running cockgoblin masquerading as a quasi-Browns fan when in reality you are only here because you were kicked off most Saints forums due to your lack of intelligence and homoerotic fantasies.
It's your turn. Pick up the dice, dungeon master. This time, try to at least use a little bit of statistical information to back up your shitty opinions about a mediocre QB on an awful team.
Oooooooo that was intelligent.
You mad bro?
Sucks when a saints fan knows more about ur team than you do doesn't it?
Oooooooo that was intelligent.
You mad bro?
Sucks when a saints fan knows more about ur team than you do doesn't it?
just so you know, literally no one thinks you're knowledgeable about football. Anyone who actually uses the phrase "you mad bro" pretty much describes themselves as a tool who hides behind the internet.
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Oooooooo that was intelligent.
You mad bro?
Sucks when a saints fan knows more about ur team than you do doesn't it?
just so you know, literally no one thinks you're knowledgeable about football. Anyone who actually uses the phrase "you mad bro" pretty much describes themselves as a tool who hides behind the internet.
just so you know, literally no one thinks you're knowledgeable about football. Anyone who actually uses the phrase "you mad bro" pretty much describes themselves as a tool who hides behind the internet.
Lol I take what browns fans say with a grain of salt anyway so hats off to you as well
I don't have to know a single thing about football to know more than most ppl here
Some ppl here are actually very intelligent but can't get over the constant name calling and immaturity to earn my respect so they'll never hear any compliments from me
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I haven't read anything by either of you people but I will say that everyone thinks they know more about football than everyone else. I have a friend who swears up and down that he's a football savant yet he literally didn't know the difference between man on man coverage compared to zone defense. You have to take what everyone says with a grain of salt because most people don't know what they're talking about. For the most part, sports is opinion based. Some people go by stats, some justify their opinions from intangibles instead. One person thinks the QB makes the WR's better while the other will think the WR's make the QB look better and so on and so on.
I don't understand why people get so bent out of shape when people disagree with an opinion. Even if they are legitimately stupid. I've posted tonight for the first time and I already had somebody tell me that Colt McCoy is better than Robert Griffen. That statement if flawed for many reasons, one being that RG3 hasn't played an NFL game yet. Another is that GM's have him ranked as not only the 2nd best QB but also a top 10 PLAYER in the draft. While McCoy was considered a 3rd round project guy by some and not worth the gamble by others. But I didn't get mad at the person, they have a right to say whatever they want even if it is a bit ridiculous.
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A good QB makes those around him plamakers.
Hines Ward- 3rd round pick.
Emmanuel Sanders-3rd round pick.
Mike Wallace- 3rd round pick.
Antonio Brown- 6th round pick.
Ben Roethlisberger- 1st round pick
James Jones- 3rd round pick.
Donald Driver-7th round pick
Jordy Nelson- 2nd round pick
Randall Cobb- 2nd round pick
Aaron Rodgers- 1st round pick
Pierre Garcon- 6th round pick
Reggie Wayne- 1st round pick
Austin Collie- 4th round pick
Anthony Gonzalez- 1st round pick. (hurts my argument a tad, but I'm presenting all the facts)
Peyton Manning- 1st round pick
And then there's the Patriots, with no 1st round picks at QB or WR. What they do have, however, is two first round and two second round Offensive Linemen. (Thats for you, Ghoolie)
I like the thought that went into this however a first round QB does not a winning team make... for every qb taken in the first round that succeeds there are three that fail.... How good were the rams this year? And how much of the 49ers success can be put in alex smith's hands? David carr / ryan leaf / matt leinart / jason campbell / kyle boller / jamarcus russell...the list goes on and on just because someone takes a qb in the first round doesn;t guarantee their greatness one more year use this year to find the playmakers not the QB...
I like the thought that went into this however a first round QB does not a winning team make... for every qb taken in the first round that succeeds there are three that fail.... How good were the rams this year? And how much of the 49ers success can be put in alex smith's hands? David carr / ryan leaf / matt leinart / jason campbell / kyle boller / jamarcus russell...the list goes on and on just because someone takes a qb in the first round doesn;t guarantee their greatness one more year use this year to find the playmakers not the QB...
For every 1st round bust you (and everyone else) listed there are 500 more QB's taken in round 2-7 that never see any meaningful action or even a starting roster.
I don't advocate taking a first round QB this year, because frankly, outside of Luck, this draft is rather weak in QB's.
I'd rather us pull the trigger on Flynn, because he's had years behind an NFL coaching staff and arguably the best QB coach/OC tandem in the last 20 years. His gawdy numbers do nothing to sway me, I feel we would draft a QB this season anyway. In effect, signing Flynn would be drafting a QB without experiencing the learning curve.
Drafting is a crapshoot in any round. But the highest success rate and closest to a sure thing you can get is by drafting a QB in the first.
We could load the roster with Pro Bowl caliber players and first round picks at every position to "surround Colt with talent", but this regime doesn't have the time to do that. They have to produce now. Include the fact that it would take 9 more first round picks to fill out the offense, based on your plan of action, and you can understand why that line of reasoning wont fly with them.
Fact of the matter is, they're looking for someone who can win in spite of the lack of talent around them, not lose because of it.
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No, I'm presenting stats and facts to show that a majority of the QB's deemed "great" or "franchise" QB', and are routinely playing in the postseason are first round picks.
What you are doing is being a blowhard front running cockgoblin masquerading as a quasi-Browns fan when in reality you are only here because you were kicked off most Saints forums due to your lack of intelligence and homoerotic fantasies.
It's your turn. Pick up the dice, dungeon master. This time, try to at least use a little bit of statistical information to back up your shitty opinions about a mediocre QB on an awful team.
Oooooooo that was intelligent.
You mad bro?
Sucks when a saints fan knows more about ur team than you do doesn't it?
Oooooooo that was intelligent.
You mad bro?
Sucks when a saints fan knows more about ur team than you do doesn't it?
So instead of refuting my claim and continuing to dig yourself a hole, you just spurt and stutter a half-assed comeback to try and rile me up?
And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.
Furthermore, you've yet to say anything that would convince even the most half-hearted of fans (people like yourself, actually) that you know the tiniest bit about the sport.
But continue to play Madden and think you know the inner-workings of the NFL. Leave the real talk to the grow ups, pussy cat.
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just so you know, literally no one thinks you're knowledgeable about football. Anyone who actually uses the phrase "you mad bro" pretty much describes themselves as a tool who hides behind the internet.
Lol I take what browns fans say with a grain of salt anyway so hats off to you as well
I don't have to know a single thing about football to know more than most ppl here
Some ppl here are actually very intelligent but can't get over the constant name calling and immaturity to earn my respect so they'll never hear any compliments from me
Lol I take what browns fans say with a grain of salt anyway so hats off to you as well
I don't have to know a single thing about football to know more than most ppl here
Some ppl here are actually very intelligent but can't get over the constant name calling and immaturity to earn my respect so they'll never hear any compliments from me
Wow.......you think people really care about your respect? You know absolutely nothing about football. You prove it everyday.
First off, you have 2 firsts. If we use one pick to draft a "guaranteed bust QB", as you keep implying, this would be the draft it sets us back the least. If we draft a "guaranteed bust QB" in '13 we're really set back. So whether you want to draft a QB or not, this year is the best year if the QB is worth the pick.
Second, the rookie pay scale is slotted, which means anyone we draft will cost us the same if they bust. Saying QB is going to cost so much more money is Retarded.
Lastly, no matter whether we draft a QB early or get one in FA, if he has an ounce of talent he will take Colts job instantly. QB is the one position that has completely been ignored. Tim Couch was the only real attempt at a QB. Quinn was a unnecessary reach by an incompetent prick. The rest were rebuilding QBs like McCoy. The FO is going into their 3rd draft/offseason. They clearly won't declare McCoy is their guy. Holmgren is supposedly a QB guru. If he saw the talent, the potential, the chance to win, etc. then he would declare McCoy the guy. Just admit your wrong and move on.
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Your third party evaluation is appreciated, but unnecessary.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/05/holmgren-mccoy-will-face-quarterback-competition/
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Your third party evaluation is appreciated, but unnecessary.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/05/holmgren-mccoy-will-face-quarterback-competition/
Your third party evaluation is appreciated, but unnecessary.
lol youre a dick dude i was just posting up some relevant stuff to read. heres some more. . .its the press conference with heckert and holmgren again.
http://www.cleveland...2b-e80d1cc1ef99
If you really watch it you see that Holmgren says repeatedly that he believes in what he has with Colt and acknowledges that from the outsiders perspective its easy to base a QB's worth on how the team fared, record-wise. As well, he mentions that he believes that Colt can/could be the guy to build the franchise around but he's not ready to anoint him just yet. He also mentions that the QB needs to have some protection and someone to throw the ball to. Holmgren acknowledges that he likes to bring in a QB every year to promote competition and find the best depth available, but that he believes in the players he has and expects whoever is starting to play well. Then, when Heckert is pointedly asked if theyll likely go after a QB in the draft to pay "big money" to start for the Browns he says its not likely its the way theyll go, but that its still early.
By all reasonable accounts, the Browns FO believes in Colt and acknowledges the fact that they seek to draft with other positions in mind, primarily, but will not pass up the opportunity to bring in talent at the QB position to compete. This is all in the first 5-10 minutes of the video. The QB discussion is the first they have.
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