Let's Get Ready To Rumble! Colt Mccoy Vs. Robert Griffin Iii
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What I think is funny is that people that are pro McCoy and anti RGIII talk about how he played in the big 12 and put up gaudy numbers in a system setting against bad teams. Oh the irony because Colt McCoy literally is in the same boat, but for some reason Colt gets a pass? If you don't like Colt or RGIII that's fine, but you can't sit there and bring up the Big 12 and system QB's and then support Colt in the same breath.
What I think is funny is that people that are pro McCoy and anti RGIII talk about how he played in the big 12 and put up gaudy numbers in a system setting against bad teams. Oh the irony because Colt McCoy literally is in the same boat, but for some reason Colt gets a pass? If you don't like Colt or RGIII that's fine, but you can't sit there and bring up the Big 12 and system QB's and then support Colt in the same breath.
so if we already have the one guy who in your mind is the same as the other guy, then why use the #4 pick on the other guy?
am i missing your point?????????
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yeah and he also said if picked #1 by indy he'd gladly sit behind peyton manning for how ever long.
which tells me either he's complacent and doesn't want to come into the league as a starter OR (IMO) he's just another dude looking for that first pick paycheck.
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Zombo said:
This.
Get rid of myths and stereotypes with this guy.
Both parents in the military, well-traveled and educated.
Has a degree in Political Science from Baylor. Graduated in December, 2010, at age 20. Currently working on his Masters in Communication
Dean's List.
Academic All-big 12
Graduated 7th in his High School class.
Yes, Michael Vick is dumb as a box of rocks and had no male role model growing up and it shows. Yes, Vince Young is dull-minded and inaccurate.
That has nothing to do with Robert Griffin.
Warren Moon is in the Hall of Fame and Donovan McNabb played in 5 NFC championship games ... this guy is a better athlete and more polished prospect coming out of college than both of them.
Actually, it might help to not think of him as black and more of a mix of John Elway and Steve Young if that helps.
Yes, he could still fall on face, but it won't be for lack of smarts or discipline.
Zombo
How the hell did Warren Moon get in the hall of fame?...I dont remember him setting any records or winning any super bowls unless he was just a token selection so the NFL was not accused for not having a black QB in the HOF.
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Zombo said:
9× Pro Bowl selection (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997)
3× All-Pro selection (1988, 1989, 1990)
5× Grey Cup champion (66th, 67th, 68th, 69th, 70th)
2001 Enshrined on Eskimos' Wall of Fame
1990 NEA NFL MVP
1990 NFL Offensive Player of the Year
1990 UPI AFL-AFC Player of the Year
1989 Man of the Year
1998 Pro Bowl MVP
2× Grey Cup MVP (1980, 1982)
49,325 yards passing, 291 TDs
It's Pro Football Hall of Fame, so they took into consideration his CFL contributions ... but the 50,000 yards passing... that's in the NFL.
He was pretty damn good. Marino didn't win a Super Bowl either ... team game.
Zombo
I know, I liked Warren Moon too,,I just dont see how the CFL has any relationship to the NFL career he had.
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What I think is funny is that people that are pro McCoy and anti RGIII talk about how he played in the big 12 and put up gaudy numbers in a system setting against bad teams. Oh the irony because Colt McCoy literally is in the same boat, but for some reason Colt gets a pass? If you don't like Colt or RGIII that's fine, but you can't sit there and bring up the Big 12 and system QB's and then support Colt in the same breath.
so if we already have the one guy who in your mind is the same as the other guy, then why use the #4 pick on the other guy?
am i missing your point?????????
so if we already have the one guy who in your mind is the same as the other guy, then why use the #4 pick on the other guy?
am i missing your point?????????
I agree with you. Even the people, like myself, who want to stick with colt and pass on RGIII aren't sold on Colt as a franchise quarterback but realize that the weapons on offense are the Browns most pathetic position groups and we could make the most strides in that regard. Again at that Big 12 agrument, Colt had a prolific career in the Big 12 and has not done much in the NFL, yet you want to take RGIII who has had even less success in the same conference?
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What I think is funny is that people that are pro McCoy and anti RGIII talk about how he played in the big 12 and put up gaudy numbers in a system setting against bad teams. Oh the irony because Colt McCoy literally is in the same boat, but for some reason Colt gets a pass? If you don't like Colt or RGIII that's fine, but you can't sit there and bring up the Big 12 and system QB's and then support Colt in the same breath.
so if we already have the one guy who in your mind is the same as the other guy, then why use the #4 pick on the other guy?
am i missing your point?????????
so if we already have the one guy who in your mind is the same as the other guy, then why use the #4 pick on the other guy?
am i missing your point?????????
no no all my point is that you can't just make that statement which is a fair point when the guy we have now is literally from the same background. I could argue with you why RGIII is a lot better, which frankly I don't have the time now, but I still have my doubts based on all that. I'm just saying don't talk about how the Big 12 is an offense system conference against RGIII and act like McCoy didn't have the same thing going for him.
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i gotcha jrb. they both are from the same conference but you'll agree are worlds apart in skill and talent given their style differences. AND yeah it would take forever to pick apart one or the other's pluses and minuses seeing as one is in the nfl and one is not. one was the 2nd winningest qb in collge football history. one can run, one can't. so on and so on.
we can do this dance all the way until hell freezes over but no one can deny that the browns need many many positions filled with this draft and qb isn't one of them.
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yeah and he also said if picked #1 by indy he'd gladly sit behind peyton manning for how ever long.
which tells me either he's complacent and doesn't want to come into the league as a starter OR (IMO) he's just another dude looking for that first pick paycheck.
yeah and he also said if picked #1 by indy he'd gladly sit behind peyton manning for how ever long.
which tells me either he's complacent and doesn't want to come into the league as a starter OR (IMO) he's just another dude looking for that first pick paycheck.
Or he would value being mentored by one of the best QBs to ever play the game. Maybe he thinks he could learn something from him......
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Zombo said:
It doesn't.
It has a relationship to the Pro Football Hall of Fame though.
As for his NFL resume by itself, here's a list of players who threw for more NFL yards than Warren Moon:
1. Bret Favre
2. Dan Marino
3. Peyton Manning
4. John Elway
That's it, that's the whole list.
When he retired he was #3, now he's #5
That's pretty impressive...
Zombo
And if you add his CFL stats with his NFL stats, he beats out Farve.
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It won't matter. The Rams would take too big of a cap hit to get rid of Bradford and they certainly can't afford both of them. The Rams are stuck with Bradford.
Excatly you have to remember Bradford got his deal before the new NFL deal so he has a ton of money on his contract, it would be virtually impossible to move him..
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^ In which case STL trades down with some QB challenged team.
On Moon... very HOF worthy. Watched him for years in Houston. He threw the prettiest deep-ball I've ever seen. Extraordinarily accurate with the deep ball.
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Zombo said:
This.
Get rid of myths and stereotypes with this guy.
Both parents in the military, well-traveled and educated.
Has a degree in Political Science from Baylor. Graduated in December, 2010, at age 20. Currently working on his Masters in Communication
Dean's List.
Academic All-big 12
Graduated 7th in his High School class.
Yes, Michael Vick is dumb as a box of rocks and had no male role model growing up and it shows. Yes, Vince Young is dull-minded and inaccurate.
That has nothing to do with Robert Griffin.
Warren Moon is in the Hall of Fame and Donovan McNabb played in 5 NFC championship games ... this guy is a better athlete and more polished prospect coming out of college than both of them.
Actually, it might help to not think of him as black and more of a mix of John Elway and Steve Young if that helps.
Yes, he could still fall on face, but it won't be for lack of smarts or discipline.
Zombo
You keep insinuating its because he's black that people are on the fence about it. I don't think that's really it, football is full of black guys, black quarterbacks are becoming common, I didn't hear anyone bagging on pryor for the bucks, and they wouldn't bag on rg3 for the browns, I don't think hell fall to 4 and we've got too many holes to trade up for him.
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While I think RG3 is a Jeff Fisher type QB, I don't see Jeff Fisher drafting RG3, because frankly the ownership invested alot in Sam Bradford. I think he has to play Bradford for 1/2 years before reloading a high pick on the QB spot.
Second, I don't think RG3 is a Holmgren type QB. Holmgren wants someone to run the WCO and RG3 may be too mobile for him to fit that prototype. Further, I think Holmgren wants to give Colt another chance with some weapons. I see Cleveland taking a WO or trading down for more picks.
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^ In which case STL trades down with some QB challenged team.
On Moon... very HOF worthy. Watched him for years in Houston. He threw the prettiest deep-ball I've ever seen. Extraordinarily accurate with the deep ball.
^ In which case STL trades down with some QB challenged team.
On Moon... very HOF worthy. Watched him for years in Houston. He threw the prettiest deep-ball I've ever seen. Extraordinarily accurate with the deep ball.
What I loved about Moon was his cannon arm. The guy could throw a what appeared to be a 40 yard pass and the ball never got more than what looked like 8 feet off the ground. When I was a kid, I wanted to be Bernie Kosar but throw like Moon... Horrible state to be in.
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I think I have resigned myself to this. If RG3 is there at #4 we take him. If he is not, I'm sure whoever is at #4 and we take him it will be a big plus for us. I do not want to sell the farm to get the guy.
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After yesterday's games, I'm very happy taking Coples at 4 over Richardson.. if anyone wants to give up the farm to grab RG3 or Blackmon at 2 or 3, they can have him.
Next year, we can get a franchise QB wherever we'll draft in the first round due to the glut of good QB's that will be coming out.
If 1/2/3 goes Luck/Blackmon/RG3, I'm happy with either Kalil or Coples.. both will greatly improve our team. I'd go with Kalil because he's more of a sure thing than Coples, but I'll trust the Walrus.
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I don't often weigh in on many topics. The QB debate on if we should draft yet another QB is one that I cannot stand! I am tired of seeing the Browns bring in QB after QB and not have an offense or any offensive weapons around him. When will the Browns actually realize that the QB cannot do it alone?!
Alex Smith is an example of what can happen to a QB when you actually give him time to develop and put an offense around him. Here are his passing stats for 2005-2007 and then for 209-2011. In 2008, he had no stats.
05-07 - 435/800 - 54.4% - 4679 yds - 19 TD/31 INT
09-11 - 702/1159 - 60.6% - 7864 yds - 49/27
And he has led the Niners to the NFC championship game this season as well.
I am not saying that Colt is as good as Smith. But, even at the start of this season, nobody thought Smith would be this good either. Colt may not be the answer here in Cleveland, but I don't think that we should discard him or Seneca, or any other QB for that matter, without building the offense around him and seeing if he's got it or not. If we don't have weapons for Colt, then we don't have weapons for RGIII or any other QB.
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