Let's Get Ready To Rumble! Colt Mccoy Vs. Robert Griffin Iii
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I don't often weigh in on many topics. The QB debate on if we should draft yet another QB is one that I cannot stand! I am tired of seeing the Browns bring in QB after QB and not have an offense or any offensive weapons around him. When will the Browns actually realize that the QB cannot do it alone?!
Alex Smith is an example of what can happen to a QB when you actually give him time to develop and put an offense around him. Here are his passing stats for 2005-2007 and then for 209-2011. In 2008, he had no stats.
05-07 - 435/800 - 54.4% - 4679 yds - 19 TD/31 INT
09-11 - 702/1159 - 60.6% - 7864 yds - 49/27
And he has led the Niners to the NFC championship game this season as well.
I am not saying that Colt is as good as Smith. But, even at the start of this season, nobody thought Smith would be this good either. Colt may not be the answer here in Cleveland, but I don't think that we should discard him or Seneca, or any other QB for that matter, without building the offense around him and seeing if he's got it or not. If we don't have weapons for Colt, then we don't have weapons for RGIII or any other QB.
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In Colt We Trust - 2012
Colt has his own theme song, awesome.
I think that it must be that our receivers are just to slow for Colt to throw to. 45MPH... with the accuracy... on a boat!
Get Colt some Playmakers on Offense or Upgrade the Defense but stick with Colt. He's the real deal, Colt and Cleveland are a perfect match.
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Wow. People arguing Colt McCoy over RGIII.
I love a good comedy.
Please... continue...
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so if we already have the one guy who in your mind is the same as the other guy, then why use the #4 pick on the other guy?
am i missing your point?????????
I agree with you. Even the people, like myself, who want to stick with colt and pass on RGIII aren't sold on Colt as a franchise quarterback but realize that the weapons on offense are the Browns most pathetic position groups and we could make the most strides in that regard. Again at that Big 12 agrument, Colt had a prolific career in the Big 12 and has not done much in the NFL, yet you want to take RGIII who has had even less success in the same conference?
I agree with you. Even the people, like myself, who want to stick with colt and pass on RGIII aren't sold on Colt as a franchise quarterback but realize that the weapons on offense are the Browns most pathetic position groups and we could make the most strides in that regard. Again at that Big 12 agrument, Colt had a prolific career in the Big 12 and has not done much in the NFL, yet you want to take RGIII who has had even less success in the same conference?
Sorry I haven't been around a whole lot recently I've been shifting gears into basketball (my thunder are tearing it up outside of tonight obviously) but when comparing Colt's career in college to RG3's you have to keep in mind what schools they went to. Colt went to Texas, a football powerhouse with tons of talent around him, and RG3 went to Baylor, a team that occupied the bottom of the standings in not only the Big 12 South but the entire Big 12 (the north was awful) for as long as I can remember in my experience watching college ball. Baylor was a joke until RG3 came to town so the comparison between the two is apples and oranges and if anything, RG3's college career is exponently more impressive then Colt's if you look at the impact they had on there respective teams. Now if RG3 played for OU or possibly even OSU (Okla. St.) I could understand saying he had less success. If your going to compare RG3 with any of our current QB's, strictly on college career, he is a more successful Secenca Wallace, who had a pretty good career at Iowa State. They're both athletic QB who can run and who brought a perennial cellar-dweller into national prominence, albeit for only a short time although the book is still out on Baylor. Besides college careers though, there really isn't any comparison between the three. RG3 definitely has the most talent and upside of the three in my opinion.
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I agree with you. Even the people, like myself, who want to stick with colt and pass on RGIII aren't sold on Colt as a franchise quarterback but realize that the weapons on offense are the Browns most pathetic position groups and we could make the most strides in that regard. Again at that Big 12 agrument, Colt had a prolific career in the Big 12 and has not done much in the NFL, yet you want to take RGIII who has had even less success in the same conference?
Sorry I haven't been around a whole lot recently I've been shifting gears into basketball (my thunder are tearing it up outside of tonight obviously) but when comparing Colt's career in college to RG3's you have to keep in mind what schools they went to. Colt went to Texas, a football powerhouse with tons of talent around him, and RG3 went to Baylor, a team that occupied the bottom of the standings in not only the Big 12 South but the entire Big 12 (the north was awful) for as long as I can remember in my experience watching college ball. Baylor was a joke until RG3 came to town so the comparison between the two is apples and oranges and if anything, RG3's college career is exponently more impressive then Colt's if you look at the impact they had on there respective teams. Now if RG3 played for OU or possibly even OSU (Okla. St.) I could understand saying he had less success. If your going to compare RG3 with any of our current QB's, strictly on college career, he is a more successful Secenca Wallace, who had a pretty good career at Iowa State. They're both athletic QB who can run and who brought a perennial cellar-dweller into national prominence, albeit for only a short time although the book is still out on Baylor. Besides college careers though, there really isn't any comparison between the three. RG3 definitely has the most talent and upside of the three in my opinion.
Sorry I haven't been around a whole lot recently I've been shifting gears into basketball (my thunder are tearing it up outside of tonight obviously) but when comparing Colt's career in college to RG3's you have to keep in mind what schools they went to. Colt went to Texas, a football powerhouse with tons of talent around him, and RG3 went to Baylor, a team that occupied the bottom of the standings in not only the Big 12 South but the entire Big 12 (the north was awful) for as long as I can remember in my experience watching college ball. Baylor was a joke until RG3 came to town so the comparison between the two is apples and oranges and if anything, RG3's college career is exponently more impressive then Colt's if you look at the impact they had on there respective teams. Now if RG3 played for OU or possibly even OSU (Okla. St.) I could understand saying he had less success. If your going to compare RG3 with any of our current QB's, strictly on college career, he is a more successful Secenca Wallace, who had a pretty good career at Iowa State. They're both athletic QB who can run and who brought a perennial cellar-dweller into national prominence, albeit for only a short time although the book is still out on Baylor. Besides college careers though, there really isn't any comparison between the three. RG3 definitely has the most talent and upside of the three in my opinion.
Here is the problem: you get these Texas schools that produce these QBs with all these gawdy numbers.
Like David Klingler, Andre Ware, Case Keesum, Graham Harrell, Kevin Kolb, even Colt McCoy etcetcetc. and are they are are numbers compilers. They don't make it in the NFL. I am concerned that RGIII is just one of those.
To be honest, I would prefer a Pac 10, Big 10, SEC QB....they seem to have a more proven track record.
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One reason i gotta say i do like Griffin is the fact that he took Baylor a basically non-football school and turned them into a contender,that takes alot from a person to go into a enviorment that is a losing culture and turn it around...Also makes me think he may have what it takes to come to Cleveland and do good because they have to turn this Franchise around and it will take a strong indiviudal to do just that..Just a Thought
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Sorry I haven't been around a whole lot recently I've been shifting gears into basketball (my thunder are tearing it up outside of tonight obviously) but when comparing Colt's career in college to RG3's you have to keep in mind what schools they went to. Colt went to Texas, a football powerhouse with tons of talent around him, and RG3 went to Baylor, a team that occupied the bottom of the standings in not only the Big 12 South but the entire Big 12 (the north was awful) for as long as I can remember in my experience watching college ball. Baylor was a joke until RG3 came to town so the comparison between the two is apples and oranges and if anything, RG3's college career is exponently more impressive then Colt's if you look at the impact they had on there respective teams. Now if RG3 played for OU or possibly even OSU (Okla. St.) I could understand saying he had less success. If your going to compare RG3 with any of our current QB's, strictly on college career, he is a more successful Secenca Wallace, who had a pretty good career at Iowa State. They're both athletic QB who can run and who brought a perennial cellar-dweller into national prominence, albeit for only a short time although the book is still out on Baylor. Besides college careers though, there really isn't any comparison between the three. RG3 definitely has the most talent and upside of the three in my opinion.
Here is the problem: you get these Texas schools that produce these QBs with all these gawdy numbers.
Like David Klingler, Andre Ware, Case Keesum, Graham Harrell, Kevin Kolb, even Colt McCoy etcetcetc. and are they are are numbers compilers. They don't make it in the NFL. I am concerned that RGIII is just one of those.
To be honest, I would prefer a Pac 10, Big 10, SEC QB....they seem to have a more proven track record.
Here is the problem: you get these Texas schools that produce these QBs with all these gawdy numbers.
Like David Klingler, Andre Ware, Case Keesum, Graham Harrell, Kevin Kolb, even Colt McCoy etcetcetc. and are they are are numbers compilers. They don't make it in the NFL. I am concerned that RGIII is just one of those.
To be honest, I would prefer a Pac 10, Big 10, SEC QB....they seem to have a more proven track record.
I completely understand where your coming from and I'm by no means attempting to defend any Texas school. I was merely defending RG3 in comparison to Colt in regards to their college careers. Its not fair to compare what was done at Texas with what was done at Baylor.
One reason i gotta say i do like Griffin is the fact that he took Baylor a basically non-football school and turned them into a contender,that takes alot from a person to go into a enviorment that is a losing culture and turn it around...Also makes me think he may have what it takes to come to Cleveland and do good because they have to turn this Franchise around and it will take a strong indiviudal to do just that..Just a Thought
Honestly I've been going back and forth on RG3 but this argument is definitely one of his major positives. I can't stress how much of a joke Baylor was until RG3 got there. While he was the first recruit signed by Baylor in the Art Briles regime and, while coaching changes obviously have an impact on changing the culture of a program they can't do it all by themselves and you have to have players that buy into it and implement it on the field, something I think we can all agree, that RG3 did quite well. It remains to be seen if that can translate in the NFL but that experience of changing a losing culture certainly won't hurt at the next level.
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baylor was also a joke in his first 3 seasons there....4-8, 3-9, 7-6, 10-3. lets not act like he was performing miracles. he only started to grasp the system in his 3rd year....one of the simplest systems in college. everyone says he's smart, but as an engineer, i know for a fact that there's a huge difference in book smarts and street smarts. we know he's book smart....but it tool him till his senior year to finally make an impact. demonstration says slow learner...
but im just a hater...
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baylor was also a joke in his first 3 seasons there....4-8, 3-9, 7-6, 10-3. lets not act like he was performing miracles. he only started to grasp the system in his 3rd year....one of the simplest systems in college. everyone says he's smart, but as an engineer, i know for a fact that there's a huge difference in book smarts and street smarts. we know he's book smart....but it tool him till his senior year to finally make an impact. demonstration says slow learner...
but im just a hater...
baylor was also a joke in his first 3 seasons there....4-8, 3-9, 7-6, 10-3. lets not act like he was performing miracles. he only started to grasp the system in his 3rd year....one of the simplest systems in college. everyone says he's smart, but as an engineer, i know for a fact that there's a huge difference in book smarts and street smarts. we know he's book smart....but it tool him till his senior year to finally make an impact. demonstration says slow learner...
but im just a hater...
You say Senior year he's still a Junior Correct???
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yeah and maybe baylor's coaching staff had something to do with putting baylor football on the map, which to me is no great feat given their competition, at least in the last couple of years.
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baylor was also a joke in his first 3 seasons there....4-8, 3-9, 7-6, 10-3. lets not act like he was performing miracles. he only started to grasp the system in his 3rd year....one of the simplest systems in college. everyone says he's smart, but as an engineer, i know for a fact that there's a huge difference in book smarts and street smarts. we know he's book smart....but it tool him till his senior year to finally make an impact. demonstration says slow learner...
but im just a hater...
baylor was also a joke in his first 3 seasons there....4-8, 3-9, 7-6, 10-3. lets not act like he was performing miracles. he only started to grasp the system in his 3rd year....one of the simplest systems in college. everyone says he's smart, but as an engineer, i know for a fact that there's a huge difference in book smarts and street smarts. we know he's book smart....but it tool him till his senior year to finally make an impact. demonstration says slow learner...
but im just a hater...
You wanna wait til next year and take Denard Robinson? Is it fair to say that he and RGIII are bit of two peas in a pod?
I just don't know if that is an NFL pod....or an NCAA pod. (hell, it might be a CFL pod)
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i don't know where everyone go the idea that holmgren wants a running qb. where in his history as GM or HC did he ever have a running qb? sure favre could scramble out of the pocket to throw the ball but mccoy does that.
i know holmgren is the prez and not the GM but you know he's got more than 50% say in anything QB.
don't get it.
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i don't know where everyone go the idea that holmgren wants a running qb. where in his history as GM or HC did he ever have a running qb? sure favre could scramble out of the pocket to throw the ball but mccoy does that.
i know holmgren is the prez and not the GM but you know he's got more than 50% say in anything QB.
don't get it.
i don't know where everyone go the idea that holmgren wants a running qb. where in his history as GM or HC did he ever have a running qb? sure favre could scramble out of the pocket to throw the ball but mccoy does that.
i know holmgren is the prez and not the GM but you know he's got more than 50% say in anything QB.
don't get it.
Holmgren tutored Steve Young who was a pretty fair running QB in the WCO.
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yeah he was, but i can't think of any other. i'm sure holmgren had his say on drafting him as well.
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yeah he was, but i can't think of any other. i'm sure holmgren had his say on drafting him as well.
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baylor was also a joke in his first 3 seasons there....4-8, 3-9, 7-6, 10-3. lets not act like he was performing miracles. he only started to grasp the system in his 3rd year....one of the simplest systems in college. everyone says he's smart, but as an engineer, i know for a fact that there's a huge difference in book smarts and street smarts. we know he's book smart....but it tool him till his senior year to finally make an impact. demonstration says slow learner...
but im just a hater...
baylor was also a joke in his first 3 seasons there....4-8, 3-9, 7-6, 10-3. lets not act like he was performing miracles. he only started to grasp the system in his 3rd year....one of the simplest systems in college. everyone says he's smart, but as an engineer, i know for a fact that there's a huge difference in book smarts and street smarts. we know he's book smart....but it tool him till his senior year to finally make an impact. demonstration says slow learner...
but im just a hater...
He only played 3 games in that 3-9 year. I don't know for sure but I assume he got a medical red-shirt that year which would make him a junior. When he was at the helm he made Baylor into a actual threat. He's made an impact ever since he stepped foot on Baylor's campus. The record might not show it but again, this is Baylor we're talking about. Its similar to saying Hillis didn't make an impact for the Browns in 2010 because our record was 5-11.
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