Rg3 Not A Good Fit For The Browns?
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McCoy doesn't have the cannon. Big deal. Neither does Brees. But Brees ended up with a ton of talent around him.
Colt will be the starter regardless of bringing RGIII for not.
The Browns can change their won loss record with this draft.
But not if they trade up, and not by just drafting RGIII.
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#15-DREW BREES Purdue University Boilermakers 5:11.7-221
ANALYSIS
Positives... Touch passer with the ability to read and diagnose defensive coverages...Confident leader who knows how to take command in the huddle...Very tough and mobile moving around in the pocket...Has a quick setup and is very effective throwing on the move...Throws across his body with great consistency...Hits receivers in stride and improvises his throws in order to make a completion...Puts good zip behind the short and mid-range passes...Shows good judgement and keen field vision...Has a take-charge attitude and is very cool under pressure...Hits receivers in motion with impressive velocity...Has superb pocket presence and uses all of his offensive weapons in order to move the chains...Has solid body mechanics and quickness moving away from center... Elusive scrambler with the body control to avoid the rush. Negatives... Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun... Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws... Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.
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True. However, Colt hasn't had the chance to lead this team with what terrific abilities he does have....
with all the pieces in place. And the Browns NEED to get those pieces in place. The idea that we must have
RGIII, even with a trade up, is ridiculous to me.
If the Browns do draft him, they will know what they are doing, and I'll be delighted just for that.
I'm not against RGIII. I just want some major weaknesses filled with immediate impact players.... for the Browns to be able to compete
in their division. But if RGIII is probly' going to become a great All-pro player... the Browns will have a great idea about it.
We'll see. Seneca Wallace is the guy I think needs to replaced... that what RGIII would do his first year...
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Care to inform us why or are you just 100% certain that RG3 is the answer and Colt will never be good?You do know Colt will be 26 years old by the start of next season, right?
He is what he is. Not sure why that's so hard for a faction of Browns fans to realize.
Aaron Rodgers at 25 years old threw for 25 TDs and 4000 yards after playing at California for just two seasons and sitting behind Brett Farve for three seasons.
But then again, Rodgers is a championship caliber QB while Browns fans aim to be slighty above average with a quarterback who hasn't won in the division in two years.
You do know Colt will be 26 years old by the start of next season, right?
He is what he is. Not sure why that's so hard for a faction of Browns fans to realize.
Aaron Rodgers at 25 years old threw for 25 TDs and 4000 yards after playing at California for just two seasons and sitting behind Brett Farve for three seasons.
But then again, Rodgers is a championship caliber QB while Browns fans aim to be slighty above average with a quarterback who hasn't won in the division in two years.
you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
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You do know Colt will be 26 years old by the start of next season, right?
He is what he is. Not sure why that's so hard for a faction of Browns fans to realize.
Aaron Rodgers at 25 years old threw for 25 TDs and 4000 yards after playing at California for just two seasons and sitting behind Brett Farve for three seasons.
But then again, Rodgers is a championship caliber QB while Browns fans aim to be slighty above average with a quarterback who hasn't won in the division in two years.
you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture. A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
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You do know Colt will be 26 years old by the start of next season, right?
He is what he is. Not sure why that's so hard for a faction of Browns fans to realize.
Aaron Rodgers at 25 years old threw for 25 TDs and 4000 yards after playing at California for just two seasons and sitting behind Brett Farve for three seasons.
But then again, Rodgers is a championship caliber QB while Browns fans aim to be slighty above average with a quarterback who hasn't won in the division in two years.
you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
So which conference should we look for "actual" QB prospects? The Pac 12? Well their defensive numbers are right in line with the Big 12. The Big 10? All they are offering is Kirk Cousins and attempting to take credit for an ACC prospect in Russell Wilson. The SEC offers no QB prospects this year. The Big 12 and Pac 12 offer the most QB talent this year and next. Bitch about the defense all you want but the SEC is the only conference that can boast of elite defenses and they have no QB prospects this year. Either way if we take a QB this year they will have played against inferior defensive talent. Its not just the Big 12, its every conference besides the SEC.
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Zombo said:
I love how some fans "know" he'll be no good, or "know" he'll never be drafted by us ... despite the fact that real football people think he is aces.
From what I've seen he's terrific, and every scouting report out there raves about his passing accuracy, arm strength and release. Wish I was as smart as these fans who already know he will bust.
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I agree man.
You know what they say about opinions and assholes....everybody has one. It's just that the opinions that come out of the brain don't have to be what comes out the other.
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you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture. A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture. A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
He only started one full season so saying he hasn't one the division EVER is idiotic and proves nothing. If you put Aaron Rodgers on the Browns the past two season they wouldn't have won the division either. There's next to no true talent on the Browns. One person can't make that much difference.
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His accuracy and decision making could very well look a lot worse then it is because of the lack of protection. He constantly had people in his face and had to rush many throws and also made some poor decisions at times because of it. He is also a SECOND year QB. All young QB's make questionable decisions. It is part of there development as a QB. Nothing abnormal about that.
Right, his stats will improve and he'll make less mistakes if all the components around him are upgraded (by how much? I'm not sure, if I had to guess: still slightly below league average). But if you don't see limitations, then you're not paying attention. Even when given time, his ability to throw downfield with any accuracy is negligible.
I'm not so sure that his decision making will improve that much. He doesn't look much different than Charlie Frye to me (and why should he? they were both picked in the same round if I remember correctly).
My main point is that Colt lacks the skills to become an elite QB. This is not a major revelation, because no NFL teams thought that he did (which is why he was a 3rd rounder)! In two years, I haven't seen anything to suggest he's the next Tom Brady or Joe Montana (i.e. later round picks that DID become elite). Do you genuinely believe that he CAN become elite? We have 2 first round picks this year. If ever there was a time to gamble on a first round QB, this is a good year.
Right, his stats will improve and he'll make less mistakes if all the components around him are upgraded (by how much? I'm not sure, if I had to guess: still slightly below league average). But if you don't see limitations, then you're not paying attention. Even when given time, his ability to throw downfield with any accuracy is negligible.
I'm not so sure that his decision making will improve that much. He doesn't look much different than Charlie Frye to me (and why should he? they were both picked in the same round if I remember correctly).
My main point is that Colt lacks the skills to become an elite QB. This is not a major revelation, because no NFL teams thought that he did (which is why he was a 3rd rounder)! In two years, I haven't seen anything to suggest he's the next Tom Brady or Joe Montana (i.e. later round picks that DID become elite). Do you genuinely believe that he CAN become elite? We have 2 first round picks this year. If ever there was a time to gamble on a first round QB, this is a good year.
I don't know if Colt will be an elite QB. No one really does. I didn't think Brees would be after year 2 ... or even year 3. Look how that turned out though. What I do know is if a rookie QB inherits the same situation Colt is in he is going to fail too because the offense right now is set up for failure. Many pieces need to be added. I just would prefer to see all that fixed before we go and waste a top end pick on a QB ... if Colt is truly that bad we will be picking top 5 next year also ... the difference will be we filled some more holes and can plug a QB right in and not have to worry about him getting killed every play trying to throw to WRs who can't catch the ball.
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you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture. A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture. A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
False. The center touches the ball as much, if not more than the QB.
And neither of which touch the ball when their team is on defense.
Furthermore, mediocre plays is not indicative of a mediocre QB. When a team averages 95 yards per game on the ground, among the lowest in the league, how is the blame supposed to be placed on the QB? When our receivers lead the league in dropped passes with over 35, how is the blame to be placed on the QB? When the defense gives up nearly 5 YPA on the ground, how is the blame to be placed on the QB?
There are many more factors than the QB involved in our mediocre play. RG3 will not fix those by himself. It will not happen.
We averaged more receiving YPG than our opponents, all the while leading the league in dropped passes. It's not just Colt's fault. I don't believe he's a franchise QB by any stretch of the imagination, but he's not necessarily losing us games. If the opportunity arises for us to trade back and add more first and second round talent to our severely depraved roster, then the powers that be will absolutely trade back.
There will be another QB next season to destroy some schools records and everybody will be salivating over him. Then, I say take him. The difference between then and now is that by then we'll have acquired some more talent for the QB to throw to.
Greg Little cannot simply be our only weapon.
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you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture. A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture. A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
You realize 26 isn't old, right? And you realize that Colt just finished his second year, right?? How many QB's were elite QB's after year 2 ended?? I will give you a hint ... none. And a lot of elite QB's and HOF QB's took a few years to develop ... especially the ones who played in the WCO. Be patient give it time. Are you going to call for RGIII head after he has 2 shit years?
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you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture. A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture.
very interesting comment coming from you....ya know....the new guy who just joined with a screen name beginning in RGIII. i wont bore anyone else by making fun of your hypocrisy.
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I've been in favor of doing what it takes to get RG3 for a while now.....but i've since changed my mind.
What has bothered me most is that Colt has not had the time in this O to perfect it..
I think he personally has everything necessary to succeed in the WCO....but he needs time to get it right.
But mostly the Browns need to get talent in case Colt doesnt work out, the new QB will have talent to work with in a few years.
Lets not sell Colt short though. The guy has done the best he can with what he was given...no off-season, poor o-line play, poor WR play, RB injuries....HORRIBLE play calling.
He has good accuracy, good legs, smarts, respect of team. He needs WR's that get open consistently and Colt's arm is strong enough to make most throws.
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you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture. A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture.
You are making me fucking Laugh Out Loud. "Separate your attachment to an individual player"?
Have you read your own screen name?
A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
Colt is 3.5 years older than RG...and will have been drafted 3 years prior to RG. Age is not the issue..
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
Possibly, but not always. I am sure you are too young to recall, but back in the 70s there was unanimous consent that Archie Manning was one of the Top 3-5 QBs in the league....but the Saints were still, despite having one of the best QBs in the game always big losers because the rest of the team just plain old sucked swamp water. So, it is great to have a quality QB...but it is equally as important to have a quality team around him.
The Steelers went 15-1 in 2004 with a raw...and not very good QB at the time...starting for them. Yes, get the QB, but not at the expense of the other 21+ positions on the team.
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you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture. A picture that displays an average quarterback who will be 26 years old and hasn't won in the division... ever.
You can make all the excuses and emotional rants you want, but ultimately, the only player on the field who touches the ball every play is the quarterback. So mediocre play from a team is indicative of mediocre quarterbacks.
These are the facts.
You need to calm down and separate your attachment to an individual player and look at the broad picture.
ah hem. let's see. i think you misspoke. you are enamored with RG3 plain and simple. I have said let's address the other needs on the team before we DRAFT ANOTHER QB 2 years after just drafting one.
hell you'd even want to trade up to get the guy. so lose a pick, not gain one on a team that needs like ten players makes a lot of sense. if we drafted 3 key defensive players this year , hell baring injuries we would be almost a complete top ten defense in a division where it counts in november and december and hopefully january and february. wr and rt. that would be a good draft in my eyes.
see what colt does with another year under this blow-ass offensive scheme. if he sucks we move on. but what is with this shit that "oh it's been 2 years and our qb can't cut it shit?" no qb with this squad could cut it.
oh and here's my favorite: "QB TALENT LIKE THIS ONLY COMES AROUND ONCE IN A LIFETIME SO YOU GOTTA DO ALL YOU CAN TO GET THIS GUY!!!!"
:lol: :lol: let's see in my lifetime i've seen dan marino, jim kelly, bernie kosar, brett favre, aaron rodgers, tom brady, drew brees, joe montana, steve young.................(need i go on) drafted. so that argument is as stupid as you are. -
you don't know shit. people get so enamored with one player or their position that they forget about the other ten guys on the field with him.
show me where RG3 has done anything comparable to aaron rodgers. the one highlight they keep showing of RG3 at baylor is him in a wide open backfield with no one near him throwing the ball to the receiver in the end zone who also had no one around him. does that sound like NFL caliber competition?
you waltz in here and spout shit about browns fans only wanting mediocre players. did the browns fans draft colt mccoy dumbshit? no. it was people in the FO who thought he was a steal at the number we drafted him at. he hasn't been all that spectacular, but look at what he's been through in his first couple of years. injury, a new coach, a new system, a lame running game, no flippin wide receivers at all, and taking a pounding on any given sunday in arguably one of the best divisions in the NFL. all this while aaron rodgers was buying donuts for team meetings and keeping the bench warm. did you even see the packers wide receivers play this year? their #4 is better than our #1.
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
So which conference should we look for "actual" QB prospects? The Pac 12? Well their defensive numbers are right in line with the Big 12. The Big 10? All they are offering is Kirk Cousins and attempting to take credit for an ACC prospect in Russell Wilson. The SEC offers no QB prospects this year. The Big 12 and Pac 12 offer the most QB talent this year and next. Bitch about the defense all you want but the SEC is the only conference that can boast of elite defenses and they have no QB prospects this year. Either way if we take a QB this year they will have played against inferior defensive talent. Its not just the Big 12, its every conference besides the SEC.
So which conference should we look for "actual" QB prospects? The Pac 12? Well their defensive numbers are right in line with the Big 12. The Big 10? All they are offering is Kirk Cousins and attempting to take credit for an ACC prospect in Russell Wilson. The SEC offers no QB prospects this year. The Big 12 and Pac 12 offer the most QB talent this year and next. Bitch about the defense all you want but the SEC is the only conference that can boast of elite defenses and they have no QB prospects this year. Either way if we take a QB this year they will have played against inferior defensive talent. Its not just the Big 12, its every conference besides the SEC.
where did i ever say i wanted the browns to draft a qb this year? i wasn't dogging your beloved big 12 so calm down sparky.
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Browns fans, why are you afraid of such swagger and potential greatness?
That is the question... -
Browns fans, why are you afraid of such swagger and potential greatness?
That is the question...Browns fans, why are you afraid of such swagger and potential greatness?
That is the question...
yeah at another position other than QB this year? how about a DE or LB that wants to crush QBs or anything else coming their way.....you don't think we could use someone like that? or a WR that can blast past any CB or LB and CATCH a ball for big yards. you don't think we could use a guy like that? a better than patrick petersen CB? a speed back? a RT? how about getting some swagger in those positions?
i've really tried to get your intrigue with RG3. but we just drafted a QB 2 years ago. who else do you quit on after 2 years of changes, no weapons, offensive suckiness on all levels? are you RG3's agent?
i don't remember myself ever acting like this past 5 years old. "if i don't get what i want' waaa"
can u give it a rest for one day at least?
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So which conference should we look for "actual" QB prospects? The Pac 12? Well their defensive numbers are right in line with the Big 12. The Big 10? All they are offering is Kirk Cousins and attempting to take credit for an ACC prospect in Russell Wilson. The SEC offers no QB prospects this year. The Big 12 and Pac 12 offer the most QB talent this year and next. Bitch about the defense all you want but the SEC is the only conference that can boast of elite defenses and they have no QB prospects this year. Either way if we take a QB this year they will have played against inferior defensive talent. Its not just the Big 12, its every conference besides the SEC.
where did i ever say i wanted the browns to draft a qb this year? i wasn't dogging your beloved big 12 so calm down sparky.
where did i ever say i wanted the browns to draft a qb this year? i wasn't dogging your beloved big 12 so calm down sparky.
miktoxic, on 20 February 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:
and if i'm not mistaken didn't both mccoy and RG3 play in the same whack ass conference? so mccoy lit up all the records at texas, but sucks compared to RG3 who lit up the numbers for the baylor bears. have you seen that conference lately. texas ain't shit a&m is moving.....who the fuck has baylor played? TCU? they fell off this year too. so let's go draft somebody with less accomplishments in the same crappy conference, oh and let's draft his wide receiver too.
we can be the baylor browns. GTFO!
Aren't dogging it huh? The reason I'm constantly sticking up for the Big 12 is because they are constantly dogged on here. At least give the conference a fair shake and the respect it deserves. Considering you couldn't name the top two teams in the conference this year, failing to realize that A&M has been mediocre at best the past 5 to 6 years and really doesn't harm the Big 12 as much as Nebraska leaving, plus the additions of TCU and West Virginia next year offsetting losses from the previous two years, it doesn't seem like you really grasp the conference as a whole. You hear the snipets from ESPN saying the Big 12 has shaky defenses and assume it to be gospel. Now I don't pretend to have a great understanding of all the major football conferences but at the same time, I never say anything negative towards them, especially if I have to take a shot in the dark to make a comment concerning them.
As far as drafting a QB this year, Holmgren has made it pretty clear that they don't believe Colt is their guy. If they did they wouldn't even be entertaining the thought of drafting another QB. Also keep in mind that Colt is a third round pick and has never been viewed as our franchise QB so the whole argument that we shouldn't draft a QB just because we drafted one 2 years ago doesn't really fit. You give most 1st round QB picks at least 3 years but not a 3rd rounder. I'd rather take a chance at a QB this year (preferably RG3) then wait until next year and choose between what I believe to be lesser talent, or at least, talent that is more dependent on their surrounding talent. Now if we can stay at 4 and 22, this would be the perfect draft to go after a big time QB prospect as we'll still have the 22 and the rest of our draft to pick up talent to fill in the rest of the roster. I'd be fine with trading a 3 or 4 to trade up, maybe even a 2nd, but I have a hard time parting with the 22nd as well. Then you're getting into pretty risky territory in terms of losing an extra first round prospect if the RG3 pick doesn't work out. Although I have a really hard time seeing the Ram's pass on Blackmon. If the Ram's need anything it is a big time WR.
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The Big 12 is garbage, plain and simple.
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