The Rg3 Bidding War Has Begun
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We'll roll with Colt for a year, than pick up Denard next year
right?
Honestly if that's what WSH is offering than damn. This'll be an interesting draft.
Agree. hoorta... no way that bests the WSH rumor...
We'll roll with Colt for a year, than pick up Denard next year right?
That kinda talk will make even me a RGIII fan...
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2012 #4 + 22 + 4th + 2013 2nd
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2012 #6 + 2nd + 3rd + 2013 1st
First offer is better. At worst, its an even offer.
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If we dont get RG3 fine. But if we go into next season with Colt starting, f@ck Holmgren. He becomes the worthless piece of sh@t Ive always thought he was.
Jesus no other legit options and you still just want to get rid of Colt. All Flynn is will be a 15 million dollar mistake and no rookie QB other than Luck or RGIII would be able to come in and start. You might as well give the still fairly untested QB another season and see what happens.
Jesus no other legit options and you still just want to get rid of Colt. All Flynn is will be a 15 million dollar mistake and no rookie QB other than Luck or RGIII would be able to come in and start. You might as well give the still fairly untested QB another season and see what happens.
Fairly untested? What? How many games does he need? I would rather bring in Jason Campbell on a short term basis, than watch a completely lost QB eye his wr throughout the route and then throw an uncatchable pass. Anyone who thinks Colt is better than JC should be slapped.
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I mean...damn the Rams could have an actual dynasty if they hit on 60% of their picks.
A first, two high seconds, two high thirds, plus two first round picks next year. On second thought- if the Rams drop down to #6 they could easily offer the Browns one of the second round picks to move back up to #4. And if I'm Heckert- I take it.
A first, two high seconds, two high thirds, plus two first round picks next year. On second thought- if the Rams drop down to #6 they could easily offer the Browns one of the second round picks to move back up to #4. And if I'm Heckert- I take it.
This post makes no sense. Why would STL trade to #6 to give up a 2nd to move back up to #4 when they could hypothetically take the Browns offer of 4+ 22+ +4th + 2013 2nd?
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Let's say the Skins are only willing to give up their #6 and #39 #70
That doesn't mean that we will get him if we give up our #4 #37 #68...nope because the rams may say...ok, unless you give up your #22 as well, we will give it to the skins even though they are offering us less.
the three bids we will put in for him will be
#4 #22 trade colt
#4 and next years #1 trade colt
#4 #37 next years 2nd rounder trade colt
anything else is absurd and I think H&H realizes that Colt deserves to be on a team that stands up for their players
I think Heckert and Holmgren will see that RG3 and nobody means 5 wins where Richardson, Floyd, Streeter, and Minnifield is 8 wins and road to superbowl in 2015
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A first, two high seconds, two high thirds, plus two first round picks next year. On second thought- if the Rams drop down to #6 they could easily offer the Browns one of the second round picks to move back up to #4. And if I'm Heckert- I take it.
This post makes no sense. Why would STL trade to #6 to give up a 2nd to move back up to #4 when they could hypothetically take the Browns offer of 4+ 22+ +4th + 2013 2nd?
This post makes no sense. Why would STL trade to #6 to give up a 2nd to move back up to #4 when they could hypothetically take the Browns offer of 4+ 22+ +4th + 2013 2nd?
Why would the Rams prefer the Washington offer?
1) Because the Redskins offer is a 2013 first rounder, not a second
2) A high third round pick is worth more than a high fourth (double actually, if you'd bother to check the chart)
3) They still get Blackmon or Kalil trading back up.
What would H&H have to do (hypothetically) to beat the (hypothetical) Redskins offer? Both firsts, a third and next years first. Sorry about that.
Give up three premium picks for one player? RGIII had better be the next Elway at that price.
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Let's say the Skins are only willing to give up their #6 and #39 #70
That doesn't mean that we will get him if we give up our #4 #37 #68...nope because the rams may say...ok, unless you give up your #22 as well, we will give it to the skins even though they are offering us less.
the three bids we will put in for him will be
#4 #22 trade colt
#4 and next years #1 trade colt
#4 #37 next years 2nd rounder trade colt
anything else is absurd and I think H&H realizes that Colt deserves to be on a team that stands up for their players
I think Heckert and Holmgren will see that RG3 and nobody means 5 wins where Richardson, Floyd, Streeter, and Minnifield is 8 wins and road to superbowl in 2015
I think Heckert and Holmgren will see that RG3 and nobody means 5 wins where Richardson, Floyd, Streeter, and Minnifield is 8 wins and road to superbowl in 2015
I love when guys like you do this.
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Funny only a couple months ago we could have gotten Luck with our #6 #22 and next years first and #2...instead we have to basically give up all of our draft picks from now till 2015 for hopes and dreams.
If RG3 didn't win the heisman all we would have to do was give the RAMS our #4 and #22 now it's just MADNESS
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Man a lot can change between now and the draft. I wouldn't put much faith in rumors but even I got to admit 22,37 and possible next years 1st rounder is what it would take and that's a hell of a lot to pay.
AJ Green Anthony Costanzo and Jabaal Sheard last years 4,22,37 I'd trade them for Newton.
If you are like me and hoping we get RG3 you can just hope the Rams are turned off by going all the way down to 6.
Honestly we don't even know if H&H want RG3 to begin with it just doesn't seem like their style.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
This post makes no sense. Why would STL trade to #6 to give up a 2nd to move back up to #4 when they could hypothetically take the Browns offer of 4+ 22+ +4th + 2013 2nd?
Why would the Rams prefer the Washington offer?
1) Because the Redskins offer is a 2013 first rounder, not a second
2) A high third round pick is worth more than a high fourth (double actually, if you'd bother to check the chart)
3) They still get Blackmon or Kalil trading back up.
What would H&H have to do (hypothetically) to beat the (hypothetical) Redskins offer? Both firsts, a third and next years first. Sorry about that.
Give up three premium picks for one player? RGIII had better be the next Elway at that price.
Why would the Rams prefer the Washington offer?
1) Because the Redskins offer is a 2013 first rounder, not a second
2) A high third round pick is worth more than a high fourth (double actually, if you'd bother to check the chart)
3) They still get Blackmon or Kalil trading back up.
What would H&H have to do (hypothetically) to beat the (hypothetical) Redskins offer? Both firsts, a third and next years first. Sorry about that.
Give up three premium picks for one player? RGIII had better be the next Elway at that price.
What? This post is very confusing.
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In all fairness I don't believe that chart is valid anymore since it was made before the new rookie salary system.
Could be wrong though.
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2012 #4 + 22 + 4th + 2013 2nd
vs
2012 #6 + 2nd + 3rd + 2013 1st
First offer is better. At worst, its an even offer.
2012 #4 + 22 + 4th + 2013 2nd
vs
2012 #6 + 2nd + 3rd + 2013 1st
First offer is better. At worst, its an even offer.
Both of those offers are goofy.
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That is an INSANE offer. This year's 1st, 2nd and 3rd and next year's 1st is what the Skins are offering and that might not even be their maximum? I might be completley done with the Browns if they tried to best that. No player is worth all of that especially not on a team with this many gaping holes.
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From Don Banks at SI regarding the Rams and the #2 pick...
• Two months out from the draft, here are the things I believe in regards to the No. 2 pick and the St. Louis Rams:
-- There's at most a 10 percent chance the Rams sit tight and take the pick at No. 2. At most. With the team's new regime fully committed to Sam Bradford at quarterback, it would be stupifying to make the pick and not use the leverage this draft has handed them in the race for Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III.
-- In order of likelihood when it comes to potential trade partners, I think St. Louis sees it as No. 4 Cleveland in the pole position, followed by No. 6 Washington and No. 8 Miami. Obviously, the less the Rams have to drop down in the first round, the more attractive the deal will be for St. Louis.
-- If they trade with the Browns, the Rams are likely to still be able to get Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon, the player they would probably target at No. 2. What's not to like about that scenario, when you also pick up Cleveland's No. 22 pick and at least one more selection in the middle rounds? Washington and Miami would have to offer their 2013 first-round picks, and the Rams might prefer to take two players in this year's opening round rather than wait for the unknown next year.
-- While the Browns, Redskins and Dolphins are the no-brainer teams to watch, don't be shocked if some team without an obvious No. 1 quarterback vacancy falls in love with RG3 and makes St. Louis a trade offer for the No. 2 slot. I don't know who that might be, but I can guess, can't I? Denver? Philadelphia? Kansas City? Imagine the possibilities of the Eagles then putting Michael Vick up for trade, or the Broncos having to make time for Griffin and Tim Tebow? That would get wild.
-- The Browns are the team that has the most to gain by landing Griffin, and that's why I'm sticking with them pulling the trigger. Cleveland has been looking for the answer at quarterback since swinging and missing on Tim Couch with the No. 1 pick in 1999, when the expansion Browns made their re-entry into the NFL.
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I'd let the Rams trade that pick if that's their cup of tea, then I'd burn them by taking Kalil right out from under their nose. Put Kalil on our line with the number 4- OL problems are solved for the next decade. Then at 22 take another player that shores up our inequities. Then find a way to get Chase Minnifield. This is way better than trading the farm for anyone. Goddamn it!- I've waited ALL year to get these "3" players that will have an impact for our team and now we may trade all three for "RG3"... Uhg- if he last till four then I've come to terms with drafting RG"mock3"... although there is no way in Sam's Hell I'd give up that much potential to land one player. There are just too many good players to pass on. Richardson, Kalil, Blackmon- one will be there at four and the Rams can suck their greedy thumbs...
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I mean...damn the Rams could have an actual dynasty if they hit on 60% of their picks.
A first, two high seconds, two high thirds, plus two first round picks next year. On second thought- if the Rams drop down to #6 they could easily offer the Browns one of the second round picks to move back up to #4. And if I'm Heckert- I take it.
A first, two high seconds, two high thirds, plus two first round picks next year. On second thought- if the Rams drop down to #6 they could easily offer the Browns one of the second round picks to move back up to #4. And if I'm Heckert- I take it.
We would be in the driver's seat there...If Blackmon & Kalil were there for us at 4 & the Rams wanted one of 'em bad enough, I'd push for #6, #34, & a 3rd or 4th. It may seem ridiculous, but if they don't do it, they'll lose both.
Mike
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This is a rumor being reported about what the skins are willing to offer, its a lot.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7406/robert-griffin-iii
Teams sources tell NBC Philadelphia's Howard Eskin the Redskins are prepared to offer the Rams their top three 2012 picks and "at least" their 2013 first-round pick to move up to draft Baylor QB Robert Griffin III.
If true, it would be a positively Ricky Williams-ian haul for the Rams, who saw the value of their No. 2 pick increase even further on Sunday when Griffin was unofficially timed at a blazing 4.38 in the 40 at the Combine. Eskin's report comes two days after SI.com's Tony Pauline reported the Rams have engaged in "exploratory talks" with the Redskins about a swap.
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I don't know if the Brown's FO will be willing to match this, its alot. I would be on board for both our 1st and next yrs 2nd but Skins appear to believe he is a franchise QB. This of course is rumor at this point. Still 2 months until the draft.
Exactly what I was afraid would happen. If we want Griffin, we're going to wind up paying an Andrew Luck price for him- and not even get Luck.
BTW, if the rumor is true, if you go by the draft value chart what the Redskins are offering, is not only more than enough to snag Griffin, it's more than enough to move up to #1 overall and take Luck.
Technically- to the Browns the Rams pick is worth both our first rounders, plus the high fourth.
Exactly what I was afraid would happen. If we want Griffin, we're going to wind up paying an Andrew Luck price for him- and not even get Luck.
BTW, if the rumor is true, if you go by the draft value chart what the Redskins are offering, is not only more than enough to snag Griffin, it's more than enough to move up to #1 overall and take Luck.
Technically- to the Browns the Rams pick is worth both our first rounders, plus the high fourth.
Screw the chart. It's a guide... sometimes it works, sometimes not.
If we are convinced RGIII is worth it, both 1st's and our 2nd is worth it....if you land a QB, the draft is set.
It isn't about draft picks people, it's about the players you get.
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2012 #4 + 22 + 4th + 2013 2nd
vs
2012 #6 + 2nd + 3rd + 2013 1st
First offer is better. At worst, its an even offer.
2012 #4 + 22 + 4th + 2013 2nd
vs
2012 #6 + 2nd + 3rd + 2013 1st
First offer is better. At worst, its an even offer.
The browns organization wouldnt even offer this if they were high on coke/meth/LSD/PCP/pills/heroine/shrooms/weed/or drunk.
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