The Browns Will Never Win With Holmgren

choco

awesome thread bro!

come back when ya stop whining like a girl.

b86b

@badnewsbrowns said:

My point is even with the right players, all things being equal talent wise across the division Holmgren's style won't win.

I think Holmgren's style might win, but Shurmurs won't. He has no creativity or innovation at all, it seems we are the most vanilla team in the league on both sides of the ball.

CGI_Ram

@b86b said:

I think Holmgren's style might win, but Shurmurs won't. He has no creativity or innovation at all, it seems we are the most vanilla team in the league on both sides of the ball.

I got to say, as a Rams fan, this sounds so much like our board when he was with us. I made these signatures back then and thought I'd share them with you guys;

BadNewsBrowns

haha Shurmur is Brick from Anchorman.

b86b

@cgi_ram said:

I got to say, as a Rams fan, this sounds so much like our board when he was with us. I made these signatures back then and thought I'd share them with you guys;

That shit is priceless!!!!

Bills-n-Browns-Fan

@cgi_ram said:

I got to say, as a Rams fan, this sounds so much like our board when he was with us. I made these signatures back then and thought I'd share them with you guys;

Oh man, that is so hilarious.

The Gipper

@badnewsbrowns said:

It worked in Green Bay almost 20 years ago.

In Green Bay Holmgren was just the coach.

With a hall of fame QB and hall of fame defensive end any system will work.

Then what you are actually saying is that it is not the system, but the personell?

And similar climates different competition, the Packers were not facing the Steelers and Ravens for 25% of their schedule.

Then what the Browns need is better defensive players. Better LBs, better DBs, better DL. It doesn't matter whether they play 3-4 or 4-3. It matters if you have killers on your team...and a coach that can do the job....like LeBeau. Jauron is pretty good. Him running the 4-3 is the least of our worries.

The Gipper

@jason-j said:

The west coast offense was built in Cincinnati... Just for the record.

-jj

Actually, for the record, it was built in Cleveland. The WCO is essentially the same system that Paul Brown and Otto Graham ran for years.

BadNewsBrowns

I also said all things being equal I believe we would be at a disadvantage, so no I don't think it's the players not the system.

I don't think you can compare Otto Graham Browns to today's game.

Historically,say the past 25 years our division has been won by physical line play,tough defense and vertical passing.

We seem to be going with finesse line play and horizontal passing.

I just don't like the idea of relying on speed rushing ends in a 4-3. If we should ever play a critical game in the late months of the year and it's snowy/raining our speed rushing ends are useless.

Maybe it's a little premature to worry about that.

The Gipper

@badnewsbrowns said:

I also said all things being equal I believe we would be at a disadvantage, so no I don't think it's the players not the system.

I don't think you can compare Otto Graham Browns to today's game.

Historically,say the past 25 years our division has been won by physical line play,tough defense and vertical passing.

We seem to be going with finesse line play and horizontal passing.

I just don't like the idea of relying on speed rushing ends in a 4-3. If we should ever play a critical game in the late months of the year and it's snowy/raining our speed rushing ends are useless.

Maybe it's a little premature to worry about that.

Why would speed rushing ends be more useless than speed rushing LBs in the 3-4?

I don't know if it is a little premature to worry about that, but it may be a little absurd to worry about that.

BadNewsBrowns

Because a 3-4 is mostly based on blitzing a random linebacker/s and getting mismatches.

A 4-3 end is always going against a tackle,and is undersized relying on his speed. derp.