4 More Picks
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The whole compensatory pick thing mystified me... This thread finally made me read up a bit.
Turned out wiki had a fairly good summary section on their NFL Draft page.
Compensatory picksIn addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as "compensatory picks," are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as "supplemental compensatory selections").Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.Now it only slightly mystifies me...
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The raiders recieved a 3,4, and 5th rounders. Must be nice.
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OK, while it is not frequent, occasionally one can get a diamond in the rough at those draft positions. Here are some possible familiar names taken with draft picks 204, 205, 245,and 247:
204:
Art Donovan, Pro Football Hall of Famer DT
Harlan Svare, 7 year starter at LB
TJ Houshmanzadeh WR, we all know him
Bruce Reimer 7 year starter at OG for the Bengals
Rich Saul, 6 time Pro Bowl Center
Willis Crenshaw, backup RB with Cardinals, ran and caught for about 3500 career yards.
205:
Eugene Daniel DB, 13 year starter
Sam Gash FB, New England
Pierre Garcon, WR we just talked about him
Mark Higgs RB, 3000 career yards rushing as a backup to Emmit Smith
245
Chris Hanburger, Pro Football Hall of Famer LB
Dave Studdard, 9 year starter at OT
Danny Clark, 8 year starter at LB
Courtney Anderson, 2 year starter at TE, currently active
John Spagnola TE 263 career catches
247
Clay Matthews Sr. DE taken in 1949
Gary Cobb, 8 year starter at LB
Bobby Humphrey, DB for Jets for many years
Rocky Klever, all name team played several years
Bruce Hardy TE for Miami 256 career catches
So, as you can see, occasionally you find a gem that low. Even a couple of HOFers.
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Didn't think we would get so lucky.
This is great 6th and 7th rounders are like getting a jump start to signing undrafted free agents.
We lost our original 6th round pick to the Vikings, right? But we got a 6th round back from Denver on the Quinn deal?
So we have a mid round 6th and two end of round 6th round picks.
I hope we keep all 13 picks let the draft fall to us- make a training camp a proving ground for everyone.
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It is questionable as to how the Browns have done when they have had the picks at positions 204, 205, 245, 247. Here they are:
204
1 1982 8 204 Van Heflin TE CLE 0 0 0 Vanderbilt
2 1979 8 204 Kent Perkov DE CLE 0 0 0 San Diego St.
3 1958 17 204 Roddy Osborne B CLE 0 0 0 Texas A&M
4 1954 17 204 Howard Chapman T CLE 0 0 0 Florida
5 1952 17 204 Stew Scheetz T CLE 0 0 0 Penn St.
205:
1 1978 8 205 Jesse Turnbow DT CLE 1978 1978 0 0 0 1 16 Tennessee
2 1967 8 205 Bill Devrow DB CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1963 15 205 Lynn Reade T CLE 0 0 0 USC
4 1956 17 205 Eddie West QB CLE 0 0 0 North Carolina St.
5 1955 17 205 Bob Leonard B CLE 0 0 0 Purdue
245:
1 2001 7 245 Andre King WR CLE 2001 2004 0 0 0 2 42 30 327 0 Miami (FL)
247:
1 1963 18 247 Bobby Garvin T CLE 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2 1957 21 247 Curry Juneau E CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1950 19 247 Butch Songin QB CLE 1960 1962 0 0 1 17 35 327 694 4347 38 31 23 90 2 Boston Col
Though Butch Sonqin looks like the most productive player on this list, what little effort he did he did in the AFL with the Pats and Jets, and before that he played several years in Canada.
So, if the Browns history is anything, these picks might not work out so well. Nevertheless, though I wouldn't expect an Art Donovan/Chris Hanburger HOFer....but if even one of them becomes a TJ Houshmanzadeh or Pierre Carcon, what the hell. Worth having a shot.
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more picks > less picks
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I'm sure Heckert will have some gems lined up for consideration, he's a draft nut.
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Considering the several USFA guys that I wanted last year that signed with other teams this makes me happy.
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Didn't think we would get so lucky.
This is great 6th and 7th rounders are like getting a jump start to signing undrafted free agents.
We lost our original 6th round pick to the Vikings, right? But we got a 6th round back from Denver on the Quinn deal?
So we have a mid round 6th and two end of round 6th round picks.
I hope we keep all 13 picks let the draft fall to us- make a training camp a proving ground for everyone.
Dane Sanzenbacher wouldn't happen to be one of those UDFA's would he? I was pounding the table for him...
I hope we keep all 13 picks let the draft fall to us- make a training camp a proving ground for everyone.
I had just the opposite reaction...
Feel like the added late, end-of-round comp picks free us to package up the #4-ish picks from the following round to try to improve our mid-round positions for OL/ LB picks...
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I'm sure Heckert will have some gems lined up for consideration, he's a draft nut.
Well, clearly, based on their stance in Free Agency, i.e. do almost nothing, it is clear they mean to "build through the draft", thus, 4 extra draft picks are going to be needed to fill the Browns holes at RB, WR, OG, OT, DE, OLB1, OLB2, Safety, Corner, QB.
Those should be 10 guaranteed position picks right there.
Also correct me if I am wrong...but H&H are loyal to "their guys" that they pick.
In the two years they have been doing this is who they have taken in the draft:
Phil Taylor
Jabal Sheard
Greg Little
Jordan Cameron
Owen Marecic
Buster Skrine
Jason Pinkston
Eric Hagg
Joe Haden
TJ Ward
Montario Hardesty
Colt McCoy
Shaun Lauvao
Larry Assante
Carlton Mitchell
Clifton Geathers
and the ONLY guys still not on the Browns roster are Clifton Geathers and Larry Assante.
Nine of the Browns 22 starters on offense and defense were drafted by them the last 2 years. That could end up to be 10,11 or 12 if Hardesty, Cameron and either Skrine or Hagg claim starting spots.
So, yea, these guys are going to do it by the draft, and with 13 picks they damn well expect about 4 starting slots to be filled with draft choices from this year, and maybe a couple of more.
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I feel like Heckert is going to land around...6 really capable starter in the draft.
#4,#22,#37 will be Elite players.
out of the one third and the two 4th rounders- 2 will be starters...
I expect Heckert to find a gem that Studs out into another starter with the plethora of picks that remain after the fourth round.
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I feel like Heckert is going to land around...6 really capable starter in the draft.
#4,#22,#37 will be Elite players.
out of the one third and the two 4th rounders- 2 will be starters...
I expect Heckert to find a gem that Studs out into another starter with the plethora of picks that remain after the fourth round.
I feel like Heckert is going to land around...6 really capable starter in the draft.
#4,#22,#37 will be Elite players.
out of the one third and the two 4th rounders- 2 will be starters...
I expect Heckert to find a gem that Studs out into another starter with the plethora of picks that remain after the fourth round.
So, you think that though we may get a Curry Juneau in there, we will also get a Rich Saul and a John Spagnola?
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Just to play this out a bit. Here are some of the best players taken at the #199 position:
Dennis Gaubatz 6 year starter at LB
Ron Yankowski 7 year starter at DE
Mickey Washingtion 3 year starter at DB for Cardinals
the other Adrian Peterson, RB with the Bears
and, oh yea, a guy named Brady. 40,000 yards, 300 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls, 3 Championships (plus 2 losses in SB)
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The same people who say to pass on Richardson would probably say to pass on Brady because he's not a sure thing...ya know, 'cause he lost 2 whole superbowls...
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
From what I gather now, the Browns will be drafting in the following slots (barring trades):
#4
#22
#37
#67
#100
#118
#139
#160
#204
#205
#211
#245
#247
If the Browns were to pick in those slots strictly on the basis of which CBSSports.com says are the players that rank in those particular slots the Browns would draft the following;
#4 Morris Claiborne CB LSU
#22 Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina
#37 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin
#67 Geore Iloka FS Boise St.
#100 Ronnie Hillman RB San Diego St.
#118 Marcus Forster DT Miami
#139 T.Y. Hilton WR Fla. International
#160 Brandon Taylor SS LSU
#204 Trevin Wade CB Arizona
#205 Austin Davis QB So. Mississippi
#211 Tyler Nielsen OLB Iowa
#245 Najee Goode ILB W. Va.
#247 Vaugh Meatoga DT Hawaii.
Heavy on the DBs. Anything there float your boat? Oddly enough, except for the CB at the #22 slot, this random draft might not be so bad. I would replace that with one of the WRs and perhaps be happy.
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Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
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If we went strictly by the player rankings done by Scout.com, the Browns would pick up the following:
4 Robert Griffin III QB Baylor (despite the hype, they still have Claiborne rated higher)
22 Zebri Sanders OG
37 Alshon Jefferies WR So. Carolina
67 Stephon Gilmore CB So. Carolina (the other service had him ranked #22)
100 LaDarius Green TE La.-Lafayette
118 Terence Ganaway RB Baylor
139 Jeff Allen OG/OT Illinois
160 Darius Fleming LB Notre Dame
204 Ryan Steele CB Furman
205 Kellen Moore QB Boise St.
211 Jacquies Smith DE Missouri
245 James Hanna TE Oklahoma
247 Janzen Jackson FS McNeese St.
So-so.
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With all those picks, I'm all for spending 4th & 5th round picks on WR Ryan Broyles & LB Vontaze Burfict if available. Injury & a huge question mark, but worth the risk now, IMHO.
Mike
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Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
I do especially as a late round pick. He doesn't have the size but plays like a back with a heavier body, strength, has been healthy with zero injuries, and even game breaking speed oh ya I forgot and the numbers. His only knock is that San Diego State tends to run sort of a gimicky offense.
from the fourth round down? yeah, I've got faith... 
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