4 More Picks
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I'm sure Heckert will have some gems lined up for consideration, he's a draft nut.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Considering the several USFA guys that I wanted last year that signed with other teams this makes me happy.
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Didn't think we would get so lucky.
This is great 6th and 7th rounders are like getting a jump start to signing undrafted free agents.
We lost our original 6th round pick to the Vikings, right? But we got a 6th round back from Denver on the Quinn deal?
So we have a mid round 6th and two end of round 6th round picks.
I hope we keep all 13 picks let the draft fall to us- make a training camp a proving ground for everyone.
Dane Sanzenbacher wouldn't happen to be one of those UDFA's would he? I was pounding the table for him...
I hope we keep all 13 picks let the draft fall to us- make a training camp a proving ground for everyone.
I had just the opposite reaction...
Feel like the added late, end-of-round comp picks free us to package up the #4-ish picks from the following round to try to improve our mid-round positions for OL/ LB picks...
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I'm sure Heckert will have some gems lined up for consideration, he's a draft nut.
Well, clearly, based on their stance in Free Agency, i.e. do almost nothing, it is clear they mean to "build through the draft", thus, 4 extra draft picks are going to be needed to fill the Browns holes at RB, WR, OG, OT, DE, OLB1, OLB2, Safety, Corner, QB.
Those should be 10 guaranteed position picks right there.
Also correct me if I am wrong...but H&H are loyal to "their guys" that they pick.
In the two years they have been doing this is who they have taken in the draft:
Phil Taylor
Jabal Sheard
Greg Little
Jordan Cameron
Owen Marecic
Buster Skrine
Jason Pinkston
Eric Hagg
Joe Haden
TJ Ward
Montario Hardesty
Colt McCoy
Shaun Lauvao
Larry Assante
Carlton Mitchell
Clifton Geathers
and the ONLY guys still not on the Browns roster are Clifton Geathers and Larry Assante.
Nine of the Browns 22 starters on offense and defense were drafted by them the last 2 years. That could end up to be 10,11 or 12 if Hardesty, Cameron and either Skrine or Hagg claim starting spots.
So, yea, these guys are going to do it by the draft, and with 13 picks they damn well expect about 4 starting slots to be filled with draft choices from this year, and maybe a couple of more.
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I feel like Heckert is going to land around...6 really capable starter in the draft.
#4,#22,#37 will be Elite players.
out of the one third and the two 4th rounders- 2 will be starters...
I expect Heckert to find a gem that Studs out into another starter with the plethora of picks that remain after the fourth round.
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I feel like Heckert is going to land around...6 really capable starter in the draft.
#4,#22,#37 will be Elite players.
out of the one third and the two 4th rounders- 2 will be starters...
I expect Heckert to find a gem that Studs out into another starter with the plethora of picks that remain after the fourth round.
I feel like Heckert is going to land around...6 really capable starter in the draft.
#4,#22,#37 will be Elite players.
out of the one third and the two 4th rounders- 2 will be starters...
I expect Heckert to find a gem that Studs out into another starter with the plethora of picks that remain after the fourth round.
So, you think that though we may get a Curry Juneau in there, we will also get a Rich Saul and a John Spagnola?
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Just to play this out a bit. Here are some of the best players taken at the #199 position:
Dennis Gaubatz 6 year starter at LB
Ron Yankowski 7 year starter at DE
Mickey Washingtion 3 year starter at DB for Cardinals
the other Adrian Peterson, RB with the Bears
and, oh yea, a guy named Brady. 40,000 yards, 300 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls, 3 Championships (plus 2 losses in SB)
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The same people who say to pass on Richardson would probably say to pass on Brady because he's not a sure thing...ya know, 'cause he lost 2 whole superbowls...
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
From what I gather now, the Browns will be drafting in the following slots (barring trades):
#4
#22
#37
#67
#100
#118
#139
#160
#204
#205
#211
#245
#247
If the Browns were to pick in those slots strictly on the basis of which CBSSports.com says are the players that rank in those particular slots the Browns would draft the following;
#4 Morris Claiborne CB LSU
#22 Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina
#37 Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin
#67 Geore Iloka FS Boise St.
#100 Ronnie Hillman RB San Diego St.
#118 Marcus Forster DT Miami
#139 T.Y. Hilton WR Fla. International
#160 Brandon Taylor SS LSU
#204 Trevin Wade CB Arizona
#205 Austin Davis QB So. Mississippi
#211 Tyler Nielsen OLB Iowa
#245 Najee Goode ILB W. Va.
#247 Vaugh Meatoga DT Hawaii.
Heavy on the DBs. Anything there float your boat? Oddly enough, except for the CB at the #22 slot, this random draft might not be so bad. I would replace that with one of the WRs and perhaps be happy.
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Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
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If we went strictly by the player rankings done by Scout.com, the Browns would pick up the following:
4 Robert Griffin III QB Baylor (despite the hype, they still have Claiborne rated higher)
22 Zebri Sanders OG
37 Alshon Jefferies WR So. Carolina
67 Stephon Gilmore CB So. Carolina (the other service had him ranked #22)
100 LaDarius Green TE La.-Lafayette
118 Terence Ganaway RB Baylor
139 Jeff Allen OG/OT Illinois
160 Darius Fleming LB Notre Dame
204 Ryan Steele CB Furman
205 Kellen Moore QB Boise St.
211 Jacquies Smith DE Missouri
245 James Hanna TE Oklahoma
247 Janzen Jackson FS McNeese St.
So-so.
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With all those picks, I'm all for spending 4th & 5th round picks on WR Ryan Broyles & LB Vontaze Burfict if available. Injury & a huge question mark, but worth the risk now, IMHO.
Mike
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Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
I do especially as a late round pick. He doesn't have the size but plays like a back with a heavier body, strength, has been healthy with zero injuries, and even game breaking speed oh ya I forgot and the numbers. His only knock is that San Diego State tends to run sort of a gimicky offense.
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Alshon, Burfict and Broyles would be great late round additions. High athletic upside but either out of shape or questionable characters.
If they don't work out, it's not like we wasted anything
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The same people who say to pass on Richardson would probably say to pass on Brady because he's not a sure thing...ya know, 'cause he lost 2 whole superbowls...
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It is questionable as to how the Browns have done when they have had the picks at positions 204, 205, 245, 247. Here they are:
204
1 1982 8 204 Van Heflin TE CLE 0 0 0 Vanderbilt
2 1979 8 204 Kent Perkov DE CLE 0 0 0 San Diego St.
3 1958 17 204 Roddy Osborne B CLE 0 0 0 Texas A&M
4 1954 17 204 Howard Chapman T CLE 0 0 0 Florida
5 1952 17 204 Stew Scheetz T CLE 0 0 0 Penn St.
205:
1 1978 8 205 Jesse Turnbow DT CLE 1978 1978 0 0 0 1 16 Tennessee
2 1967 8 205 Bill Devrow DB CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1963 15 205 Lynn Reade T CLE 0 0 0 USC
4 1956 17 205 Eddie West QB CLE 0 0 0 North Carolina St.
5 1955 17 205 Bob Leonard B CLE 0 0 0 Purdue
245:
1 2001 7 245 Andre King WR CLE 2001 2004 0 0 0 2 42 30 327 0 Miami (FL)
247:
1 1963 18 247 Bobby Garvin T CLE 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2 1957 21 247 Curry Juneau E CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1950 19 247 Butch Songin QB CLE 1960 1962 0 0 1 17 35 327 694 4347 38 31 23 90 2 Boston Col
Though Butch Sonqin looks like the most productive player on this list, what little effort he did he did in the AFL with the Pats and Jets, and before that he played several years in Canada.
So, if the Browns history is anything, these picks might not work out so well. Nevertheless, though I wouldn't expect an Art Donovan/Chris Hanburger HOFer....but if even one of them becomes a TJ Houshmanzadeh or Pierre Carcon, what the hell. Worth having a shot.
It is questionable as to how the Browns have done when they have had the picks at positions 204, 205, 245, 247. Here they are:
204
1 1982 8 204 Van Heflin TE CLE 0 0 0 Vanderbilt
2 1979 8 204 Kent Perkov DE CLE 0 0 0 San Diego St.
3 1958 17 204 Roddy Osborne B CLE 0 0 0 Texas A&M
4 1954 17 204 Howard Chapman T CLE 0 0 0 Florida
5 1952 17 204 Stew Scheetz T CLE 0 0 0 Penn St.
205:
1 1978 8 205 Jesse Turnbow DT CLE 1978 1978 0 0 0 1 16 Tennessee
2 1967 8 205 Bill Devrow DB CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1963 15 205 Lynn Reade T CLE 0 0 0 USC
4 1956 17 205 Eddie West QB CLE 0 0 0 North Carolina St.
5 1955 17 205 Bob Leonard B CLE 0 0 0 Purdue
245:
1 2001 7 245 Andre King WR CLE 2001 2004 0 0 0 2 42 30 327 0 Miami (FL)
247:
1 1963 18 247 Bobby Garvin T CLE 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2 1957 21 247 Curry Juneau E CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1950 19 247 Butch Songin QB CLE 1960 1962 0 0 1 17 35 327 694 4347 38 31 23 90 2 Boston Col
Though Butch Sonqin looks like the most productive player on this list, what little effort he did he did in the AFL with the Pats and Jets, and before that he played several years in Canada.
So, if the Browns history is anything, these picks might not work out so well. Nevertheless, though I wouldn't expect an Art Donovan/Chris Hanburger HOFer....but if even one of them becomes a TJ Houshmanzadeh or Pierre Carcon, what the hell. Worth having a shot.
I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
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It is questionable as to how the Browns have done when they have had the picks at positions 204, 205, 245, 247. Here they are:
204
1 1982 8 204 Van Heflin TE CLE 0 0 0 Vanderbilt
2 1979 8 204 Kent Perkov DE CLE 0 0 0 San Diego St.
3 1958 17 204 Roddy Osborne B CLE 0 0 0 Texas A&M
4 1954 17 204 Howard Chapman T CLE 0 0 0 Florida
5 1952 17 204 Stew Scheetz T CLE 0 0 0 Penn St.
205:
1 1978 8 205 Jesse Turnbow DT CLE 1978 1978 0 0 0 1 16 Tennessee
2 1967 8 205 Bill Devrow DB CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1963 15 205 Lynn Reade T CLE 0 0 0 USC
4 1956 17 205 Eddie West QB CLE 0 0 0 North Carolina St.
5 1955 17 205 Bob Leonard B CLE 0 0 0 Purdue
245:
1 2001 7 245 Andre King WR CLE 2001 2004 0 0 0 2 42 30 327 0 Miami (FL)
247:
1 1963 18 247 Bobby Garvin T CLE 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2 1957 21 247 Curry Juneau E CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1950 19 247 Butch Songin QB CLE 1960 1962 0 0 1 17 35 327 694 4347 38 31 23 90 2 Boston Col
Though Butch Sonqin looks like the most productive player on this list, what little effort he did he did in the AFL with the Pats and Jets, and before that he played several years in Canada.
So, if the Browns history is anything, these picks might not work out so well. Nevertheless, though I wouldn't expect an Art Donovan/Chris Hanburger HOFer....but if even one of them becomes a TJ Houshmanzadeh or Pierre Carcon, what the hell. Worth having a shot.
I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
Yes, an Antonio Gates....who, I believe, actually went undrafted.
You know....I don't think either Usain Bolt or LeBron James have been drafted, maybe we can pick them...though I suspect they would prefer actual football players like the guys on the couple of lists I posted. I kinda like the idea of Austin Davis as a QB. You know H&H are going to take one, no doubt. They have declared it. Davis might be a decent choice to be that 1 out of 10 that go in the 199-250 range to make it.
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Data on RB Ronnie Hillman. Anyone like this guy?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1701008/ronnie-hillman
I do especially as a late round pick. He doesn't have the size but plays like a back with a heavier body, strength, has been healthy with zero injuries, and even game breaking speed oh ya I forgot and the numbers. His only knock is that San Diego State tends to run sort of a gimicky offense.
I do especially as a late round pick. He doesn't have the size but plays like a back with a heavier body, strength, has been healthy with zero injuries, and even game breaking speed oh ya I forgot and the numbers. His only knock is that San Diego State tends to run sort of a gimicky offense.
Actually they ran a pro style (remember Hoke was there a few seasons ago) and fed him the ball 23-30 times a game. They actually didn't get him out on the perimeter enough in the games I watched- but he's not a bad in between the tackle runner. He's not a great WR- and SDSU really didn't try that hard to get him the ball in that position, which is too bad considering we like to use RBs as pass catchers. If he's available with one of those 4th round picks I take him regardless of who we've added.
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It is questionable as to how the Browns have done when they have had the picks at positions 204, 205, 245, 247. Here they are:
204
1 1982 8 204 Van Heflin TE CLE 0 0 0 Vanderbilt
2 1979 8 204 Kent Perkov DE CLE 0 0 0 San Diego St.
3 1958 17 204 Roddy Osborne B CLE 0 0 0 Texas A&M
4 1954 17 204 Howard Chapman T CLE 0 0 0 Florida
5 1952 17 204 Stew Scheetz T CLE 0 0 0 Penn St.
205:
1 1978 8 205 Jesse Turnbow DT CLE 1978 1978 0 0 0 1 16 Tennessee
2 1967 8 205 Bill Devrow DB CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1963 15 205 Lynn Reade T CLE 0 0 0 USC
4 1956 17 205 Eddie West QB CLE 0 0 0 North Carolina St.
5 1955 17 205 Bob Leonard B CLE 0 0 0 Purdue
245:
1 2001 7 245 Andre King WR CLE 2001 2004 0 0 0 2 42 30 327 0 Miami (FL)
247:
1 1963 18 247 Bobby Garvin T CLE 0 0 0 Mississippi St.
2 1957 21 247 Curry Juneau E CLE 0 0 0 Southern Miss
3 1950 19 247 Butch Songin QB CLE 1960 1962 0 0 1 17 35 327 694 4347 38 31 23 90 2 Boston Col
Though Butch Sonqin looks like the most productive player on this list, what little effort he did he did in the AFL with the Pats and Jets, and before that he played several years in Canada.
So, if the Browns history is anything, these picks might not work out so well. Nevertheless, though I wouldn't expect an Art Donovan/Chris Hanburger HOFer....but if even one of them becomes a TJ Houshmanzadeh or Pierre Carcon, what the hell. Worth having a shot.
I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
I think this list is more indicative of what one can realistically expect, but as you say, occasionally a guy falls through the cracks and turns in to a good player. In every draft there are always 2-3 late round picks who end up having 2nd round value. Maybe we will be the team who lucks in to one of them.
I think those extra late round picks could allow a GM to get a bit creative, like draft the fastest human on the planet, even if they don't play football. Maybe you can talk them away from the track and make them a receiver. Maybe you draft a basketballer who can't shoot a lick and will never see the NBA, because he is 6'6" and has a 39" vert and try to create a new position....kick block specialist. Timing and angles, along with hands 11 feet off the ground might get in to a few kickers heads.
Yea low risk, semi high reward with players like that.
Realistically I would expect 1-2 of those 4 to still be with the team in 2 years.. But we may find a lineman that can contribute or a special teams player. Also it frees up our 6th and 7th rounders if we want to throw those into a trade (you are not allowed to trade comp picks). Overall Im pleased; it can only help! I guess i view drafting a QB that late as a throw away pick. Brady is almost the only great QB to be drafted that late in semi recent history. and I dont care about drafting and grooming a career backup QB. If we get to the backup we are screwed anyway, unlike other positions, I dont care at all about backup QBs esp since we probably dont even have our longterm starting QB..
from the fourth round down? yeah, I've got faith... 
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