John Derbyshire
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It's the truth about the world heck. Something you have no idea about in your liberal sheltered place.
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It's the truth about the world heck. Something you have no idea about in your liberal sheltered place.
It's the truth about the world heck. Something you have no idea about in your liberal sheltered place.
I'll try to adjust.
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It's the truth about the world heck. Something you have no idea about in your liberal sheltered place.
It's the truth about the world heck. Something you have no idea about in your liberal sheltered place.y
This is a ridiculous statement that makes it seem like you were raised on a whites only religious nutjob compound. What, specifically, in this article tells you the secret truths of the world? That you are better than the blacks, and you shouldn't stop to help one stranded on the road? Fuck 'em right? Serves 'em right for being born black.
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It's always so fun to read conservative after conservative say there no problem with racism, and the only problem is when liberals claim there is racism, or reverse-racism, and then come in here and listen to five different guys, all conservative, tell you why black people really are inferior, scary, and probably criminals.
"My challenge to conservatives who feel they get a bum rap on race is this. Stand up for yourself and your colleagues when you feel that a criticism is unfair. At the same time, criticize other conservatives who say racist things, cynically tolerate racism in the Republican base, or deny the mere existence of racial issues in America today. The conservative movement desperately needs self-policing on racial issues, if it ever hopes to have credibility on them."
Good luck with that.
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It's always so fun to read conservative after conservative say there no problem with racism, and the only problem is when liberals claim there is racism, or reverse-racism, and then come in here and listen to five different guys, all conservative, tell you why black people really are inferior, scary, and probably criminals.
"My challenge to conservatives who feel they get a bum rap on race is this. Stand up for yourself and your colleagues when you feel that a criticism is unfair. At the same time, criticize other conservatives who say racist things, cynically tolerate racism in the Republican base, or deny the mere existence of racial issues in America today. The conservative movement desperately needs self-policing on racial issues, if it ever hopes to have credibility on them."
Good luck with that.
It's always so fun to read conservative after conservative say there no problem with racism, and the only problem is when liberals claim there is racism, or reverse-racism, and then come in here and listen to five different guys, all conservative, tell you why black people really are inferior, scary, and probably criminals.
Huh? where do you get that? In fact some of the posts I read here includes those of your political ilk to agree with some of Derbyshires recommendations to his kids? ( statistical common sense 10a & 10b - you did check out his links?) In fact 1 through 10 seemed perfectly normal to me.
ives who feel they get a bum rap on race is this. Stand up for yourself and your colleagues when you feel that a criticism is unfair. At the same time, criticize other conservatives who say racist things, cynically tolerate racism in the Republican base, or deny the mere existence of racial issues in America today. The conservative movement desperately needs self-policing on racial issues, if it ever hopes to have credibility on them."
Good luck with that.
lol like we think YOU libs have the answer here! And such MORAL high ground you stand on! Let me tell you something, credibility starts when you are honest enough to state the facts and not cower from them. The party you represent corners the market on being POLITICALLY CORRECT . And the narrative of the day seems to be the correct speech given and in this case, getting fired for not complying with being PC.
Remember when R Limbaugh on ESPN way back in 2003 said he thought Donovan McNabb was overrated? Oh such racism for saying such a thing...he was fired from espn....
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Huh? where do you get that? In fact some of the posts I read here includes those of your political ilk to agree with some of Derbyshires recommendations to his kids? ( statistical common sense 10a & 10b - you did check out his links?) In fact 1 through 10 seemed perfectly normal to me.
You're referring to my thoughts on 10a and 10b. While I might practice those things in context with large groups of black people, the reason I'm doing it isn't because they're black. The reason I'm doing it is because I'm not. It's because I'm different. I'd do the same thing in Hawaii with native islanders (even though I'm of Pacific Islander descent). I'd do the same thing with white countryfolk. Their color doesn't make a lick of difference to me, but mine might to them.
Packs of people can be irrational and dangerous. I'd prefer to not stick out like a sore thumb. Do you think that this puts me on the same level as this guy?
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raised by these people -
Bunker said:
obama's liberal band of activist hippies only want everyone else to be pc while they are allowed to be arrogant asses and make false allegations.
or in the case of that caller, an absolute nut job...
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Whether it conforms to your definition of racism or not the numbers are what they are.
Do you think it's a patently ridiculous idea that large group of blacks might have inherent danger for white people? Do you think a group of hip hop black teens should probably avoid bensonhurst ?
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Again, the numbers from studies of racial disparities in IQ studies are not the point, which you're clearly missing. That's not the racist part of the article, even though his figures are disputed in other studies. After all, in those studies, Jews and Asians post higher IQs than whites.
Again, the numbers from studies of racial disparities in IQ studies are not the point, which you're clearly missing. That's not the racist part of the article, even though his figures are disputed in other studies. After all, in those studies, Jews and Asians post higher IQs than whites.
I believe that to be true.
So let's say I strongly identify myself as a white man.
How should I react to that statement?
Should I become angry with the people that conducted the study?
Should I demand that anyone who repeats those statistics be fired
Should I take a close look at my own adopted demographic and try to find ways to balance that out?
If you could take a minute to consider those questions without the knee jerk accusation of racism....
WSS
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Oh I thought of that. Hence the successful and american but you know what I mean. I'd imagine the highest paid athletes on this earth for football and basketball players.
But do you think there might be something physiological that would make, for instance, the guy from kenya the distance running champ year after year?
WSS
Well, sure, they think so. But the reason Kenyans dominate marathon running isn't because they're black. There are lots of countries with black athletes in them. Why do Kenyans specifically dominate marathons? It's got to do with the running culture and the altitude and the training regiment as well.
Why do Russians dominate in hockey?
If blacks are inherently better athletes, why does the one sports that is played equally around the world, soccer, not dominated by African countries? They're competitive, of course, but the dominant teams are from Brazil and Argentina and Spain and Italy.
Also, what are you getting at? Because there are physiological differences between the races you should be able to ...what? You're trying to go down a rabbit hole.
Well, sure, they think so. But the reason Kenyans dominate marathon running isn't because they're black. There are lots of countries with black athletes in them. Why do Kenyans specifically dominate marathons? It's got to do with the running culture and the altitude and the training regiment as well.
Why do Russians dominate in hockey?
If blacks are inherently better athletes, why does the one sports that is played equally around the world, soccer, not dominated by African countries? They're competitive, of course, but the dominant teams are from Brazil and Argentina and Spain and Italy.
Also, what are you getting at? Because there are physiological differences between the races you should be able to ...what? You're trying to go down a rabbit hole.
Not at all.
so if someone pointed out the professional sports in america is dominated by black athletes you counter said it's probably mostly due to culture. That seems to make sense.
On the other hand, if someone correctly points out that this 1 demographic has a higher rate of violent crime, for example, you claim racism.
And since I mostly agree on both fronts why are you so angry with me for blaming that culture?
Or do you blame white racism?
WSS
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Again, the numbers from studies of racial disparities in IQ studies are not the point, which you're clearly missing. That's not the racist part of the article, even though his figures are disputed in other studies. After all, in those studies, Jews and Asians post higher IQs than whites.
I believe that to be true.
So let's say I strongly identify myself as a white man.
How should I react to that statement?
Should I become angry with the people that conducted the study?
Should I demand that anyone who repeats those statistics be fired
Should I take a close look at my own adopted demographic and try to find ways to balance that out?
If you could take a minute to consider those questions without the knee jerk accusation of racism....
WSS
I believe that to be true.
So let's say I strongly identify myself as a white man.
How should I react to that statement?
Should I become angry with the people that conducted the study?
Should I demand that anyone who repeats those statistics be fired
Should I take a close look at my own adopted demographic and try to find ways to balance that out?
If you could take a minute to consider those questions without the knee jerk accusation of racism....
WSS
No, Steve, because that's not how science works. One study is never the be-all, end-all. Any study that you look at needs to be taken in context with the studies that preceded it as well as the studies that this one influenced. This moron is cherry picking studies he likes to make a stupid point. Not science.
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I believe that to be true.
So let's say I strongly identify myself as a white man.
How should I react to that statement?
Should I become angry with the people that conducted the study?
Should I demand that anyone who repeats those statistics be fired
Should I take a close look at my own adopted demographic and try to find ways to balance that out?
If you could take a minute to consider those questions without the knee jerk accusation of racism....
WSS
No, Steve, because that's not how science works. One study is never the be-all, end-all. Any study that you look at needs to be taken in context with the studies that preceded it as well as the studies that this one influenced. This moron is cherry picking studies he likes to make a stupid point. Not science.
No, Steve, because that's not how science works. One study is never the be-all, end-all. Any study that you look at needs to be taken in context with the studies that preceded it as well as the studies that this one influenced. This moron is cherry picking studies he likes to make a stupid point. Not science.
That's an excellent example of knee jerk.
I don't think your precious science has too much idea what causes basic differences and IQ.
There is, however, substantial evidence as to crime rates education rates poverty rates etcetra.
I will give it to you guys to figure out why those differences exist.
Or, as usual, just get mad because somebody mentioned them.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
How did this turn into a discussion about racial disparities in IQ measurements? That's not what the column is about. It's only part of it.
Steve, answer the question: do you think the column is racist, or do you think he's just telling hard truths about the black community?
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How did this turn into a discussion about racial disparities in IQ measurements? That's not what the column is about. It's only part of it.
Steve, answer the question: do you think the column is racist, or do you think he's just telling hard truths about the black community?
How did this turn into a discussion about racial disparities in IQ measurements? That's not what the column is about. It's only part of it.
Steve, answer the question: do you think the column is racist, or do you think he's just telling hard truths about the black community?
I just read it again Heck.
I think that the article is based on the unfortunate truths in american society.
I think number 10 sums it up well.
I think if it bothers you so much that your anger is misdirected.
I don't have anything to lose so why pretend to be outraged?
I realize that the national review fears retaliation from demagogues such as yourself.
1 of the most troubling aspect of it is that it's acceptable and even required to fire someone for writing.
I will await your sermon.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
No, Steve, because that's not how science works. One study is never the be-all, end-all. Any study that you look at needs to be taken in context with the studies that preceded it as well as the studies that this one influenced. This moron is cherry picking studies he likes to make a stupid point. Not science.
That's an excellent example of knee jerk.
I don't think your precious science has too much idea what causes basic differences and IQ.
There is, however, substantial evidence as to crime rates education rates poverty rates etcetra.
I will give it to you guys to figure out why those differences exist.
Or, as usual, just get mad because somebody mentioned them.
WSS
That's an excellent example of knee jerk.
I don't think your precious science has too much idea what causes basic differences and IQ.
There is, however, substantial evidence as to crime rates education rates poverty rates etcetra.
I will give it to you guys to figure out why those differences exist.
Or, as usual, just get mad because somebody mentioned them.
WSS
What are you talking about? Science doesn't have much of an idea of what causes differences in IQ, and I never stated otherwise. Guess what. Those sociological rates you're referring to, and the studies that allow us to come up with those rates are science. This guy is making blanket statements on an entire race of people based on what evidence?
I think that the article is based on the unfortunate truths in american society.
I think number 10 sums it up well.
I think if it bothers you so much that your anger is misdirected.
Okay, let's look at 10 again.
(10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.
(10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.
(10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).
(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.
(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.
(10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.
(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.
(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.
(10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.
Just to further clarify that you think he's speaking truths about the world we live in.
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It's the truth about the world heck. Something you have no idea about in your liberal sheltered place.y
This is a ridiculous statement that makes it seem like you were raised on a whites only religious nutjob compound. What, specifically, in this article tells you the secret truths of the world? That you are better than the blacks, and you shouldn't stop to help one stranded on the road? Fuck 'em right? Serves 'em right for being born black.
This is a ridiculous statement that makes it seem like you were raised on a whites only religious nutjob compound. What, specifically, in this article tells you the secret truths of the world? That you are better than the blacks, and you shouldn't stop to help one stranded on the road? Fuck 'em right? Serves 'em right for being born black.
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10h is my favorite. Why help a black dude with a flat tire? Hell only rape and kill you, right? Right?
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Okay, let's look at 10 again.
Just to further clarify that you think he's speaking truths about the world we live in.
Actually you didn't include 10.
But if you feel comfortable stopping in the black part of town after dark and helping out somebody on the side of the road great.
I would say statistically like it says in 10, your risk of being hurt is probably greater.
If you don't believe that's true, fine.
WSS
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(10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:
WSS
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How did this turn into a discussion about racial disparities in IQ measurements? That's not what the column is about. It's only part of it.
Steve, answer the question: do you think the column is racist, or do you think he's just telling hard truths about the black community?
I just read it again Heck.
I think that the article is based on the unfortunate truths in american society.
I think number 10 sums it up well.
I think if it bothers you so much that your anger is misdirected.
I don't have anything to lose so why pretend to be outraged?
I realize that the national review fears retaliation from demagogues such as yourself.
1 of the most troubling aspect of it is that it's acceptable and even required to fire someone for writing.
I will await your sermon.
WSS
I just read it again Heck.
I think that the article is based on the unfortunate truths in american society.
I think number 10 sums it up well.
I think if it bothers you so much that your anger is misdirected.
I don't have anything to lose so why pretend to be outraged?
I realize that the national review fears retaliation from demagogues such as yourself.
1 of the most troubling aspect of it is that it's acceptable and even required to fire someone for writing.
I will await your sermon.
WSS
Well, that's what I figured you'd say. When I read this my first thought was, "What the...?" I've read a lot of John Derbyshire over the years. He's often interesting. But he clearly has a distaste for blacks, and what he imagines is "black culture." He's often gotten fairly close to the line, but this was something entirely new. I've never read anything like it, and assumed it would get him instantly condemned, even by the right, and then fired. And it did.
One of my other thoughts was that you would agree with it, and not think it's racist at all.
And the National Review doesn't fear me, or demagogues. They fear having all of their writers and their magazine associated with someone with clearly racist views, which is why they fired him. Because when you're trying to make the case that the right doesn't have a racial problem, which they often do, it helps not to have a guy with obvious racial problems on your staff.
Like you said, you don't have to answer to anyone else, so you don't care if someone thinks you're a racist, or that what you've written in here over the years would get you fired as well, and quickly. I suppose this is liberating for you. As for me, I suppose i can stop trying to find where your line is. After the white power video, and now this, I'm not sure I want to find out.
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