Weeden
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No thank you. He's too old and a project. We have so many immediate needs that we don't need Weeden unless he falls to us in the Third Round. We have two 1st round picks and one high second round. That has to be three impact players for three key needs/weaknesses (RB, WR and O-Line). Anything else would be crazy. Imagine what Richardson, Kendall Wright and Bobbie Massey could do for this team. The only question is the team's evaluation of Backmon, Claiborne and Richardson vs other backs, recievers and linemen. This is the draft that's going to cahnge this team. If Colt's a bust, we'll address QB next year.
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I still want RGIII.....
I don't see how Weeden is considered a "project QB" though
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No thank you. He's too old and a project. We have so many immediate needs that we don't need Weeden unless he falls to us in the Third Round. We have two 1st round picks and one high second round. That has to be three impact players for three key needs/weaknesses (RB, WR and O-Line). Anything else would be crazy. Imagine what Richardson, Kendall Wright and Bobbie Massey could do for this team. The only question is the team's evaluation of Backmon, Claiborne and Richardson vs other backs, recievers and linemen. This is the draft that's going to cahnge this team. If Colt's a bust, we'll address QB next year.
No thank you. He's too old and a project. We have so many immediate needs that we don't need Weeden unless he falls to us in the Third Round. We have two 1st round picks and one high second round. That has to be three impact players for three key needs/weaknesses (RB, WR and O-Line). Anything else would be crazy. Imagine what Richardson, Kendall Wright and Bobbie Massey could do for this team. The only question is the team's evaluation of Backmon, Claiborne and Richardson vs other backs, recievers and linemen. This is the draft that's going to cahnge this team. If Colt's a bust, we'll address QB next year.
He's 28. He doesn't have that much wear and tear on his body. He'll be more mature and possibly more poised starting than other rookies. If he lasts 5 - 10 years, that would be a decent NFL career. I'd wager the 37th pick on him. Holmgren stated he likes to draft a QB every year.
And that Clay Pigeon thing was freaking cool. He said it took 7 tries to hit it once, but after that he was nailing them. Pretty crazy stuff. Quick release and great timing.
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Weeden or Tannehil and the browns stadium burns down.
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I'm all for Weeden at 37 because I think he can come in here and start, immediately improving the offense. So long as we go any combination of RB/WR/RT with our first two, I think that puts our offense into a much better place than we were last year.
For people worrying about his shelf life, saying he's only going to last 5 years: Could you imagine if the Browns had the same QB for five straight years? It'd be fucking amazing! I think the only reason to not draft him is if you think McCoy is better than him.
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With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
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With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
Really good points but imo its harder to find a qb than any other position. To me its worth the risk at 37.
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With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
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If we are targeting Weeden do we draft blackmon for the chemistry.
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His release was like .1 seconds. That's insane release speed.
His ability to find the timing within 7 throws was impressive.
Once he found the timing, he was nailing the targets.
The one he missed was by 6 inches. Any WR worth their salt should catch that.
He was throwing at 48mph...holy cow!
He's reportedly mature and ready (i.e. Not a project).
Not sold on Blackmon, but if the chemistry between Weeden and Blackmon creates a dynamic duo, then I'm all for it.
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I don't get how he is a project QB still
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No thank you. With those lead feet he'll get sacked more times than a French castle in the 1500's.
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His release was like .1 seconds. That's insane release speed.
His ability to find the timing within 7 throws was impressive.
Once he found the timing, he was nailing the targets.
The one he missed was by 6 inches. Any WR worth their salt should catch that.
He was throwing at 48mph...holy cow!
He's reportedly mature and ready (i.e. Not a project).
Not sold on Blackmon, but if the chemistry between Weeden and Blackmon creates a dynamic duo, then I'm all for it.
His release was like .1 seconds. That's insane release speed.
His ability to find the timing within 7 throws was impressive.
Once he found the timing, he was nailing the targets.
The one he missed was by 6 inches. Any WR worth their salt should catch that.
He was throwing at 48mph...holy cow!
He's reportedly mature and ready (i.e. Not a project).
Not sold on Blackmon, but if the chemistry between Weeden and Blackmon creates a dynamic duo, then I'm all for it.
Is the guy a workout warrior? It's different standing there with zero pass rush and hitting moving targets- can he do that with an NFL rush in his face? Remember the video of the kid tossing footballs into garbage cans 50 yards away? I believe he's flipping burgers somewhere now.
Can Weeden read a defense would be one of my other big concerns. @ 29, he won't have the luxury of a team giving him a couple of years to figure it out. If he's still there in the 4th round (he won't be) I'd give the green light to take a chance on the guy.
From NFL.com "Despite his baseball background, Weeden is only an average athlete and is very limited when scrambling. (4.8-4.9 40) He has a tough time getting outside the pocket, and his accuracy and touch decrease immensely when he scrambles. He seems to grasp route concepts and looks for his second option, but he will hold the ball for extended periods of times and could be a product of his quick-read offensive scheme."
I'm with Tour2- We have way bigger immediate needs than picking up a second tier quarterback high.
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4, 22, 37 need to fill starting positions at WR, RB, and RT.
The only way the Browns should ever consider Weeden is if he falls to the 3rd round.
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4, 22, 37 need to fill starting positions at WR, RB, and RT.
The only way the Browns should ever consider Weeden is if he falls to the 3rd round.
4, 22, 37 need to fill starting positions at WR, RB, and RT.
The only way the Browns should ever consider Weeden is if he falls to the 3rd round.
Thank you!
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With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
With our needs at other positions, we can't afford Weedon... especially not at 22 or 37...
You want to argue that Weedon's an upgrade? I'd disagree, but for the sake of argument let's say he is an upgrade. How much of an upgrade in 2012? In 2013? 2014? Has he progressed enough to pass on prospects in '13, '14, '15... ??? Four years and counting... he ain't getting younger...
The gap between any of our current RT choices and J Martin, or even B Massie, is far greater than the gap between Colt and Brandon. Hell, Riley Reiff just fell in my lap at 22 in our collective mock thread (Richardson was our first pick).
At 37 there's still a WR need to address... or OG... or OLB... or CB...
Bottom Line: Weedon is not enough of an upgrade over Colt to warrant his selection... At least not until Rnd 3 or 4 and I doubt he will be there by then.
Just my $0.02...
Your two cents make more sense than most can imagine.
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I still want RGIII.....
I don't see how Weeden is considered a "project QB" though
If we take Weeden, are you expecting him to be the starter on day one? Do you expect him to learn the system in pre-season? Do you expect him to be a strong contributor to the offence right away? I don't. And therefore he is a project. One we can't afford with the first three picks in this draft.
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As a Steeler fan, I'd think it would be awesome for you guys to select Weeden with the #22 pick overall. That's one more good player left on the boards for us to choose from. Even picking him at #37 wouldn't be a bad move from a Steeler's perspective.
From an objective standpoint, taking Weeden any higher than the 4th round seems to be a stupid move for any organization. The guy is 29, and whether or not he has wear and tear is irrelevant. The body does not heal and recover as fast in your 30's as it does in your 20's. Weeden still needs to learn your system, and expecting him to have a meaningful impact in 2012 would be stupid. At best he'll be ready by 2013, but your management staff won't have the luxury of letting a 1st or 2nd round QB learn the system for a year, if McCoy is struggling, which is what you'll really need to be successful long term.
As our GM says, you have to hit with you 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks or you set your franchise back a couple of years, unless you get lucky in the later rounds. You lost out on the top 2 QBs this year, it's better to put pieces in place and look to next year for your QB. If you get Weeden in the 4th and he pans out for you, then your team will be all the better for it.
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As I said in another thread I would only be ok (not necessarily overjoyed by ever having a 29 year old rookie that early) if we made Blackmon our #4 selection. Having Blackmon for Weeden to throw to is the only way that Weeden would be successful his rookie season and transition well without a sophomore slump.
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